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83-Steelers-43
05-29-2007, 11:11 PM
Big Ben pleased with Steelers receivers

By Scott Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, May 30, 2007

The Steelers' draft generated its share of questions, ranging from how they will use linebackers Lawrence Timmons and LaMarr Woodley and tight end Matt Spaeth to how much punter Daniel Sepulveda will improve special-teams play.

One that will go unanswered is this: What would the Steelers have done if the Carolina Panthers hadn't picked wide receiver Dwayne Jarrett immediately before them in the second round?

It's a made-for-barstool-chatter question. Yet the person that would have been most impacted by the selection of Jarrett, a big, playmaking wideout from Southern Cal, probably couldn't be drawn into such a debate.

That's because quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is just fine with the players the Steelers have at wide receiver.

"I feel like they've been underutilized in the past," Roethlisberger said Tuesday after a voluntary workout at the Steelers' South Side facility. "I think every receiver we have has Pro Bowl talent and potential, and I think all of them are more than capable of putting up big numbers, including the tight ends."

Early signs point to the Steelers getting more out of their passing game next season, in part by spreading out the offense and creating mismatches.

Whether they'll be able to exploit those with their wide receivers remains to be seen, since Hines Ward is the only one of the group who's been to the Pro Bowl and caught more than 50 passes in a season.

One reason why Roethlisberger should be optimistic about the wide receivers -- and perhaps why the Steelers didn't address the position until the seventh round of the draft when they took Florida's Dallas Baker -- is Santonio Holmes.

Holmes is coming off a highly productive rookie season, one which he punctuated with a four-catch, 124-yard performance in the Steelers' final game of 2006.

And Holmes, who made steady improvement last season, should only get better, since, as he said, the game has slowed down for him.

"My goal is to increase everything, at least double of what I did last year," said Holmes, the Steelers' 2006 first-round pick.

The Steelers will be ecstatic if Holmes comes close to reaching that goal after the former Ohio State star caught 49 passes for 824 yards in 2006.

He should get plenty of opportunities next season because he figures to supplant veteran Cedrick Wilson as the Steelers' starting split end.

"For now, it's looking like that, but we have to go into training camp and that's where it determines whether you win or lose your spot," Holmes said. "I know what I'm doing, and the coaches give me more opportunity to make plays on the field."

The same also can be said of Roethlisberger, even though he threw the most interceptions (23) in the NFL last season.

Next season, the Steelers will put the game in Roethlisberger's hands more than they ever have.

He will make the blocking adjustments at the line of scrimmage next season and will even get a chance to call his own plays when the Steelers use a no-huddle offense, something Roethlisberger ran adroitly at Miami (Ohio).

"I'm real excited about that, especially the no-huddle stuff," Roethlisberger said, "being able to do that and a lot more shotgun, utilizing the weapons that we have on the outside."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_510039.html

Smashmouth225
05-29-2007, 11:35 PM
I live our recieving core as S. Holmes will be a star in this league. I feel like he should have around 60-70 catches Hines W. is a beast i could be color blind( Black and Gold) but i don't see Ward slipping. I think Nate is alright for the slot and can make plays downfield, wouldn't be suprised if he grab around 40 balls and 600-650 yards. Heath Miller is a stud who we definitely needs to use more. This guy has Pro Bowl quality throw him the ball. Cedric needs to go, but i will never forget how he worked Champ Bailey for a touchdown in 2005 play-offs. That was the last time he did anything IMO. Willie Reid should be our KR/PR specialist. I've heard he is a decent WR but i'll be happy w/him just returning kicks. Dallas Baker is solid from big time program. I'm not worried about 40 times because dude put up some nice #'s against top notch competition in the SEC.

MACH1
05-29-2007, 11:45 PM
Hopefully it will be a pick your poison with the opposing defenses this year, who do we double Hines,Holmes or one of the others.

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2007, 12:09 AM
Both Wilson and Washington need to step up big time. Consistency is key for both those two and they did not show it to me last season. Holmes started catching on toward the late second half of the season.

Until those two start catching the ball on a regular basis, I will continue to hold my breath when Ben slings one to either of those two WR's. I wish I could say I'm as comfortable as Ben is when it comes to our WR core. I saw one too many balls dropped by Wilson and Washington, who has a horrible habit of dropping perfectly thrown balls while he's standing in the endzone last season (Nate).

Smashmouth225
05-30-2007, 12:22 AM
Both Wilson and Washington need to step up big time. Consistency is key for both those two and they did not show it to me last season. Holmes started catching on toward the late second half of the season.

Until those two start catching the ball on a regular basis, I will continue to hold my breath when Ben slings one to either of those two WR's. I wish I could say I'm as comfortable as Ben is when it comes to our WR core. I saw one too many balls dropped by Wilson and Washington, who has a horrible habit of dropping perfectly thrown balls while he's standing in the endzone last season (Nate).
For sure Cedric i can live w/Nate at least on more year but Ced's getting a grip and is probably 4th on our depth chart. This is a make or break seaon for Nate but i think he will get it together this year. Wilson won't catch anything in traffic. Ever peeped him after he drops the ball. Dude is hillarious with that whining he does.

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2007, 12:35 AM
For sure Cedric i can live w/Nate at least on more year but Ced's getting a grip and is probably 4th on our depth chart. This is a make or break seaon for Nate but i think he will get it together this year. Wilson won't catch anything in traffic. Ever peeped him after he drops the ball. Dude is hillarious with that whining he does.

I'm willing to give Washington a shot this season, but that doesn't mean I'm "comfortable" with that group going into this season. Cedrick Wilson was the same guy complaining that he didn't get the ball enough back in 05, I wonder why? I hate to say it, but I feel they are soft. It seems Nate Washington caught a dose of the Cedrick Wilson syndrome... Catch one, drop the next two. Both completely lack consistency and that doesn't equal out to a 'good' WR core in my opinion. Hopefully Nate steps up this season (I was expecting it last season and had very high hopes for him) and stops taking advice from Cedrick Wilson.

"I feel like they've been underutilized in the past," Roethlisberger said Tuesday after a voluntary workout at the Steelers' South Side facility.

Yep, damn ex-coaching staff again huh Ben? What is that, #4?, #5? :yawn:

"I think every receiver we have has Pro Bowl talent and potential,"

While I do not expect the kid to bash his WR core when asked by the media what he thinks of them, he can't actually believe this? Unless these are just signs of mild brain damage from the accident?

"including the tight ends."

We better, it's not exactly fun drafting TE's early in the draft and then not incorporating them into our offensive schemes. Also, if Ben plans on taking on more responsibility I hope to all hell he has every weapon out there as an option.

Galax Steeler
05-30-2007, 04:13 AM
I believe our widerecivers will be great this year I like what i am hearing about baker think he will make it fine.

rbryan
05-30-2007, 07:15 AM
IS IT FOOTBALL SEASON YET?????????

You know how everyone says, the older you get the faster time seems to pass bye????

This is the cure for that, at least Feb thru Sept.

Atlanta Dan
05-30-2007, 07:16 AM
As is pointed out above, Ben apparently cannot get through an interview without taking a shot at the ex-coaches. Maybe the offense would have opened up more last season if the starting QB had not been impaired for several months going into training camp due to wrecking his motorcycle, but I suppose that is just another example of the ex-coaches not having the proper confidence in the starting QB.

So much for increased maturity.

TackleMeBen
05-30-2007, 09:03 AM
maybe he should just stop doing interviews. then all of you will start fussing about that. he speaks his mind, and maybe sometimes he should think before he speaks, at least he is saying how he feels. i do agree with you dan that the bashing the ex coaching is getting a little old. we all know how he feels about them.

maybe he does believe that his wr corp is pro bowl calibar. that wouldnt be a bad thing.

someone should tell ben that he needs a good PR person to do his interviews so he would stop sticking his fott in his mouth

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2007, 09:21 AM
maybe he should just stop doing interviews.

Never said he should.

then all of you will start fussing about that.

Not fussing over it. Simply pointing it out when it comes to the maturity factor.

he speaks his mind,

That's fine, but expect for those who don't agree with his comments to also speak their mind. Apparently that is not permitted when it comes to this 'particular' player with some Steeler 'fans'.

and maybe sometimes he should think before he speaks,

There we go. Good to hear there is some admittance.

at least he is saying how he feels.

Which goes back to point #3 in my above response.

i do agree with you dan that the bashing the ex coaching is getting a little old.

Ummm, that's basically all I was stating. Hence the :yawn:

we all know how he feels about them.

How can we not?

maybe he does believe that his wr corp is pro bowl calibar. that wouldnt be a bad thing.

Not stating it is "a bad thing". Just find it hard to believe that he feels Cedrick Wilson or Nate Washington are "pro bowl caliber". That is all.

someone should tell ben that he needs a good PR person to do his interviews so he would stop sticking his fott in his mouth

Ben is supposedly a "Big" boy, he should be able to do it himself.

onthebus36
05-30-2007, 09:24 AM
Don't forget Nate Washington's false start in the Atlanta game last year. Batch was moving the ball well in the final seconds and put us in position to kick the tying field goal and go to OT. When he went to spike the ball, Washington false started and clock ran out. No tie, no OT.

I'm not blaming the whole loss on him as tons of stuff went really wrong but that's the kind of mental lapse when the game is on the line that just can't happen. How do you false start when you know a spike is coming?

Anyway, Ward is solid as a rock and Santonio will continue to get better this year so that's good news. I TOTALLY agree Miller needs to be used more especially in third down situations. I'm excited about Spaeth and some of the other new acquisitions. If we can get decent production out of Wilson and Washington and limit the drops, we should be in pretty good shape there.

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2007, 09:39 AM
Anyway, Ward is solid as a rock and Santonio will continue to get better this year so that's good news. I TOTALLY agree Miller needs to be used more especially in third down situations. I'm excited about Spaeth and some of the other new acquisitions. If we can get decent production out of Wilson and Washington and limit the drops, we should be in pretty good shape there.

Those are some important "if's", but "if" it works out I agree completely with your above statement.

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2007, 09:43 AM
I believe our widerecivers will be great this year I like what i am hearing about baker think he will make it fine.

I hope your right brother. I'm a little nervous with the core as a whole. As I stated in other thread pertaining to Baker, he could be our poor man's Colston or our Freddy Gibson. Wait and see I guess. I'll have a somewhat more accurate opinion of the kid after I see what he looks like at Latrobe.

lamberts-lost-tooth
05-30-2007, 09:50 AM
...One that will go unanswered is this: What would the Steelers have done if the Carolina Panthers hadn't picked wide receiver Dwayne Jarrett immediately before them in the second round?

...I was less dissapointed in our getting Woodley one pick after Jarrett than I was in seeing
Laurent Robinson go two spots ahead of Matt Spaeth....I would have LOVED to have seen that 6'2 ..4.38 speed and incredible hands stretching the defenses!!!

TackleMeBen
05-30-2007, 10:47 AM
Never said he should.



Not fussing over it. Simply pointing it out when it comes to the maturity factor.




That's fine, but expect for those who don't agree with his comments to also speak their mind. Apparently that is not permitted when it comes to this 'particular' player with some Steeler 'fans'.


i am a huge fan of his but i will bash him with the best of them when he does something stupid or dumb. i have always called it straight even if its my own team.

There we go. Good to hear there is some admittance.



Which goes back to point #3 in my above response.



Ummm, that's basically all I was stating. Hence the :yawn:



How can we not?




Not stating it is "a bad thing". Just find it hard to believe that he feels Cedrick Wilson or Nate Washington are "pro bowl caliber". That is all.


i agree with you about wilson and washington, but maybe he feels that way.

Ben is supposedly a "Big" boy, he should be able to do it himself.

Evidnetly he isnt a "big" boy and needs some major PR guidence.


not trying to start WWIII, just saying my opinion as you are and i total respect yours.

Hamer
05-30-2007, 11:48 AM
Wilson won't catch anything in traffic. Ever peeped him after he drops the ball. Dude is hillarious with that whining he does.

LOL! No kidding.
Hey! Maybe that's the key for our passing game: keep Nate covered (he drops when open) and figure a way to get Wilson open (he drops when covered). Seriously, I do think Nate will get some focus or whatever he needs and pick his game up this year.

and what ever happened to that guy Willie Reid? maybe he'll be a speed factor...

moedap
05-30-2007, 12:28 PM
As is pointed out above, Ben apparently cannot get through an interview without taking a shot at the ex-coaches. Maybe the offense would have opened up more last season if the starting QB had not been impaired for several months going into training camp due to wrecking his motorcycle, but I suppose that is just another example of the ex-coaches not having the proper confidence in the starting QB.

So much for increased maturity.

Apparently Big Ben was tired of the ex-coaches blaming last season on his accident. Ex-coaches who could not win the big one until Big Ben arrived. Apparently the Rooneys agreed with Big Ben that the ex-coaches had to go.

Elvis
05-30-2007, 12:37 PM
I think with Hines Holmes and Washington and Reid we have decent speed and a great position reciever in Hines. If Baker makes the team then we will have decent size as well. All this could be for not if the O line doesnt perform better this season..
:tt02::wave:

The Duke
05-30-2007, 02:39 PM
Nothing better thn a QB pleased with his receivers. I wish he also said he was pleased with his o line

TackleMeBen
05-30-2007, 02:56 PM
Nothing better thn a QB pleased with his receivers. I wish he also said he was pleased with his o line

i agree. so does that mean the o line sucks???? :tap:

this will be ben if the o line doesnt improve :help:

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2007, 02:57 PM
not trying to start WWIII, just saying my opinion as you are and i total respect yours.

Yeah, I just need to stop my "fussing" even though the kid jumps on the ex-coaching staff during every or every other interview. I'm sorry, I will just pretend I don't read the comments....*hehe, skips away and twirls hair locks*.

TackleMeBen
05-30-2007, 03:01 PM
Yeah, I just need to stop my "fussing" even though the kid jumps on the ex-coaching staff during every or every other interview. I'm sorry, I will just pretend I don't read the comments....*hehe, skips away and twirls hair locks*.


oh come back and have fun... you know you want too :flap:

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2007, 03:08 PM
oh come back and have fun... you know you want too :flap:

Yeah ok. Take care. :yawn:

Black@Gold Forever32
05-30-2007, 03:39 PM
Don't bash Bill "God" Cowher or some in the Steelers Nation will throw a fit....lol All Ben said was he felt Cowher/Whiz didn't use the players on offense to their full potential...Which when you look at Heath Miller thats the case.....He has the ability to be an all-pro TE but Cowher just used him as an extra OT most of the time.....It seems to me that some in the Steelers Nation need to quit nit picking every comment that comes out of Ben's mouth.....I just don't think the comments he made in this article were all that bad and had some truth to them.....

MasterOfPuppets
05-30-2007, 03:55 PM
Don't bash Bill "God" Cowher or some in the Steelers Nation will throw a fit....lol All Ben said was he felt Cowher/Whiz didn't use the players on offense to their full potential...Which when you look at Heath Miller thats the case.....He has the ability to be an all-pro TE but Cowher just used him as an extra OT most of the time.....It seems to me that some in the Steelers Nation need to quit nit picking every comment that comes out of Ben's mouth.....I just don't think the comments he made in this article were all that bad and had some truth to them.....

i agree.....is he not aloud to compare the new system to the old? its not like he's tellin dirty little secrets. anyone that has watched steeler football in the past knows its been a predictable , not so receiver friendly system. all ben has been saying is things look to be a little different and he's excited about it. what's the big deal?

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2007, 04:09 PM
How many times? How many times must we bring up the ex-coaching staff? It's getting old. I was not the biggest Cowher fan in the world, (try search posts), but to take shots at the ex-coaching staff during every interview shows a lack of class and maturity in my opinion. But I'll ignore it, because afterall......Ben IS the Pittsburgh Steeelers...lol.

onthebus36
05-30-2007, 04:50 PM
I agree he has the right to comment and compare and I agree some players were underutilized. (I've never understood keeping Miller on the sideline in 3rd down situations...) HOWEVER, I also think it's time for Ben to step up, be a mature leader, and focus on the positives. Basically, I'm Switzerland on this one.

Seriously... I'm excited they are enthusiastic and think these are positive changes. Let's hope the enthusiasm equals a few more wins this year!

But speaking of the O-line, what do you all think of Colon getting reps with the first team while Starks is taking reps with the second team on the left side?

rbryan
05-30-2007, 06:15 PM
It used to be the media just over analyzed everything. Now these clowns all want to be the story. It's not that hard to bait him or anyone into saying something that later gets twisted out of context.

Media types lie awake at night thinking up new ways to ask questions that get the response they're looking for. Players, who crave the attention just as much, actually think people care to hear thier views on EVERYTHING.

In reality the real motive is to get them to say something stupid so they have a story.

Atlanta Dan
05-30-2007, 07:45 PM
I was at a sentencing once where the judge told the defendant it was time to look forward rather than look back and the defendant said he preferred to look back - Ben reminds me of that defendant with these recurring comments about the old regime.

However, I promise that when Ben accepts the Lombardi Trophy this year and tells AJRII "I would just like to say how great it was to have a coach who was nice to me and allowed us to play to our full potential" (at which point AJRII gives a double thumbs up to the camera) that I will not make any posts about Ben needing to let it go.

Our Ben right or wrong!!

Atlanta Dan
05-30-2007, 07:47 PM
But speaking of the O-line, what do you all think of Colon getting reps with the first team while Starks is taking reps with the second team on the left side?

That's a start - hopefully Starks will be playing the wedge on the kickoff team by August

MasterOfPuppets
05-30-2007, 08:28 PM
I was at a sentencing once where the judge told the defendant it was time to look forward rather than look back and the defendant said he preferred to look back - Ben reminds me of that defendant with these recurring comments about the old regime.

However, I promise that when Ben accepts the Lombardi Trophy this year and tells AJRII "I would just like to say how great it was to have a coach who was nice to me and allowed us to play to our full potential" (at which point AJRII gives a double thumbs up to the camera) that I will not make any posts about Ben needing to let it go.

Our Ben right or wrong!!
sometimes the only way you know your moving forward,is by looking back where you came from.

tony hipchest
05-30-2007, 08:34 PM
sometimes the only way you know your moving forward,is by looking back where you came from.
or...

like the countless truckers who call into sirius radio say (and a phrase tim ryan and pat kirwan have adopted):

paraphrased- "better to drive looking out the windshield than watching the rearview mirror".

MasterOfPuppets
05-30-2007, 08:46 PM
or...

like the countless truckers who call into sirius radio say (and a phrase tim ryan and pat kirwan have adopted):

paraphrased- "better to drive looking out the windshield than watching the rearview mirror".
http://http://image.blinkyou.com/glitter_images/baseball4balls.gif (http://www.blinkyou.com/glitters.php)

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2007, 09:37 PM
I was at a sentencing once where the judge told the defendant it was time to look forward rather than look back and the defendant said he preferred to look back - Ben reminds me of that defendant with these recurring comments about the old regime.

Sidney Crosby could sit and take shots during every interview he gives about the former Edzo coaching staff. God knows there are enough legitimate reasons to do so, but he doesn't. Why? Because he realizes that the organization as a whole has moved on and that it doesn't do any good.

Oh yeah, btw he's 19. Mature beyond his years. But unfortunately they make them all different. Still doesn't change the fact in my opinion.

tony hipchest
05-30-2007, 09:57 PM
good point on sidney, but even kobe bryant was considered "mature beyond his years" at 19. he kinda looks like a prick now.

but i agree, and cant wait for the day ben simply does all his talking on the field and only gives a rare, self serving interview, everytime he knocks up some model or actress out of wedlock.

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2007, 10:14 PM
good point on sidney, but even kobe bryant was considered "mature beyond his years" at 19. he kinda looks like a prick now.

but i agree, and cant wait for the day ben simply does all his talking on the field and only gives a rare, self serving interview, everytime he knocks up some model or actress out of wedlock.

No doubt, they make them all differently even though Kobe always came off as a smug S.O.B. in my book, but that was just my opinion of the guy. For what Sid has accomplished in such a short period of time (sound familiar?) the kid has stayed completely grounded. He doesn't have a "Big" head and chooses his words wisely during interviews and he has been interviewed more than any other athlete in this city over the past year.

They interviewed Sid on "In My Own Words" on FSN Pittsburgh. He was asked about the comparisons between the former coaching staff compared to the present day coaching staff. He kept it short and sweet. Something along the lines of "They were two different coaches and both had their different styles of coaching" and that he "respects both coaches.". End of it. Next question. Since that interview he has not brought up the former coaching regime. He doesn't bitch and moan about how Edzo "held him back" while he was watching players such as Ovechkin clock more ice time. He doesn't go on a rant about how other players on the team were "underutilized" by the past coaching regime.

Also, it's amazing how that damn media always misconstrues Ben's comments. Why not Sid's? Why not Jason Bay's? Why not Mario Lemieux's? Why not Casey Hampton's?

fansince'76
05-30-2007, 10:39 PM
Folks piling on Ben for his piling on the ex-coaching staff. How ironic. Can't wait until the season starts and there's actually something worth talking about.

83-Steelers-43
05-30-2007, 11:22 PM
and there's actually something worth talking about.

At the rate Ben's going, I'm sure it will involve the ex-coaching staff...:wink02:

fansince'76
05-30-2007, 11:25 PM
At the rate Ben's going, I'm sure it will involve the ex-coaching staff...:wink02:

OK, that was a good one. :toofunny:

steelcity58
06-02-2007, 11:43 PM
It's definitely the OFF-season.