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Stlrs4Life
05-30-2007, 10:16 PM
FOXSports.com
Posted: 1 hour ago

The NFL may be the most successful league in the country, but that doesn't mean it's without competition.
Bill Hambrecht, a Wall Street businessman, and Tim Armstrong, a senior executive at Google, have decided to start up a rival football league, the United Football League, according to a report on the New York Times web site Wednesday.For those worried that the UFL will lack name recognition, Hambrecht and Armstrong already have one owner lined up: Mark Cuban, the billionaire owner of the Dallas Mavericks.
And though the league is having a difficult time finding other owners, it appears Cuban is committed to the plan. The league intends to play its first preseason games in August of 2008.
And where will the league find the talent necessary to attract fans?
"(Former NFL coach) Bill Walsh used to tell me that the last 20 players cut from every team were almost interchangeable with the last 20 players to make the team," Hambrecht says.
So far, the UFL has decided to put teams in Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Mexico City. Cuban, unsurprisingly, is considering buying the team in Vegas, according to the report.

PisnNapalm
05-30-2007, 10:24 PM
USFL anyone? Did any of you ever go to a Pittsburgh Maulers' game? I did. :)

fansince'76
05-30-2007, 10:33 PM
For those worried that the UFL will lack name recognition, Hambrecht and Armstrong already have one owner lined up: Mark Cuban, the billionaire owner of the Dallas Mavericks.

So what? The XFL had Vince McMahon, who knows a thing or two about successful "sporting" ventures (even if they're fake) himself, and that tanked after a single season.

And where will the league find the talent necessary to attract fans?
"(Former NFL coach) Bill Walsh used to tell me that the last 20 players cut from every team were almost interchangeable with the last 20 players to make the team," Hambrecht says.

And the "last" 20 guys to make a roster are typically 3rd and 4th stringers with some career special teamers to boot. Anybody who invests money in this is a fool, IMO. The AFL survived back in the '60s because at the time baseball was still king and there were no multi-billion dollar TV revenues flowing into the NFL's coffers, making the playing field between the rival leagues a bit more level. This league doesn't stand a chance against the NFL in head-to-head competition during the fall - they'd be better off making it a spring/summer league, if anything. That might increase it's shelf life to possibly three years instead of one (remember the USFL?), if they get lucky. Bad idea.

Atlanta Dan
05-30-2007, 10:38 PM
And exactly what TV network is going to broadcast these games and run the risk of antagonizing the NFL? Good luck paying salaries out of gate receipts.

MasterOfPuppets
05-30-2007, 10:42 PM
proof that some people have more money than brains....:screwy:

Atlanta Dan
05-30-2007, 10:42 PM
So what? The XFL had Vince McMahon, who knows a thing about successful "sporting" ventures (even if they're fake) himself, and that tanked after a single season.



And the "last" 20 guys to make a roster are typically 3rd and 4th stringers with some career special teamers to boot. Anybody who invests money in this is a fool, IMO. The AFL survived back in the '60s because at the time baseball was still king and there were no multi-billion dollar TV revenues flowing into the NFL's coffers, making the playing field between the rival leagues a bit more level. This league doesn't stand a chance against the NFL in head-to-head competition during the fall - they'd be better off making it a spring/summer league, if anything. That might increase it's shelf life to possibly three years instead of one (remember the USFL?), if they get lucky. Bad idea.

The AFL was on life support until it got its contract with NBC in the mid-60s and appointed Al Davis to be a wartime consigliere to head up raids on top NFL talent. There is no market for watching NFL special teams players and no viable roster of cities that are not served by the NFL.

tony hipchest
05-30-2007, 10:43 PM
NASCAR was even supposed to have a rivalry league a few years back. while there are plenty of teams and drivers this idea is still on the shelf.

mark cuban needs to learn a lesson from his "buddy" donald trump (USFL) and make a stronger push to buy the pirates.

fansince'76
05-30-2007, 10:53 PM
The AFL was on life support until it got its contract with NBC in the mid-60s and appointed Al Davis to be a wartime consigliere to head up raids on top NFL talent. There is no market for watching NFL special teams players and no viable roster of cities that are not served by the NFL.

Well, that was a little before my time, so thanks for the clarification. This would be nothing more than a slaughter by the NFL. The WFL didn't last too long either, even using "talent raiding" tactics against the NFL (Csonka, Kiick, Warfield). Again, this is a really bad idea. As the old cliche' goes, a fool and his money are soon parted.

stlrtruck
05-30-2007, 10:59 PM
While the thought to create a rival league for the NFL is interesting, it's a bit too late for a league to rival them. They are too strong and the fan base is too large for anyone to try to place a wedge between the fans and the teams.

Really the only thing that would help another football league survive would be for the NFL to strike. Then, and it's only a MAYBE THEN, would another league have an opportunity.

But hey, if they want to put something on in the spring to pass the time away and help me forget that the NBA and MLB are almost worthless, I'd probably watch a few games.

rbryan
05-30-2007, 11:13 PM
NASCAR was even supposed to have a rivalry league a few years back. while there are plenty of teams and drivers this idea is still on the shelf.

mark cuban needs to learn a lesson from his "buddy" donald trump (USFL) and make a stronger push to buy the pirates.

I've been hoping that for years now. I think he's getting worn down by the NBA.

ShutDown24
05-31-2007, 12:43 AM
It'll fail, and finally people will realize, especially around here, that Cuban isn't a god.

tony hipchest
05-31-2007, 01:18 AM
It'll fail, and finally people will realize, especially around here, that Cuban isn't a god.i dont think cuban is actually looked at as a "god".

...more like a "serf" who can actually run a baseball team.

Livinginthe past
05-31-2007, 06:47 AM
The absolute best idea would be a 'rival' league that took place in the ridiculously long NFL offseason.

The thought of two leagues running simultaneously when we already have 3 nights of NFL football per week would seem ridiculous when you think that we have to limp through 7 months of every year with no football (im not counting preseason as the novelty of that wears off half way through the 2nd game).

Any attempt to directly rival the NFL would fail dismally - you won't slaughter the golden goose when she's still laying golden eggs every week.

Edman
05-31-2007, 10:17 AM
Yep, that what they said about USFL, and XFL. Those two failed. I'd rather see NWFA (The largest and most successful Women's Football league to date, now in it's sixth season) than a new NFL Rival league.

I'm going to have to say one thing; Good Luck, Mark. You'll need it. You have several generations of fans in the NFL to try and coaxe over. The old-timers probably won't even bother, and their influence has probably rubbed off on the youngsters already.

SteelerFanInCA
05-31-2007, 01:33 PM
The NFL is a power house. I can't see any new league giving them any competition.

With this league running at the same time the NFL plays it will be interesting to see the talent pool that is available. Looks like I will get to put the pads on once again.

Elvis
05-31-2007, 03:23 PM
proof that some people have more money than brains....:screwy:
:blah::blah::blah::blah::blah:
I Totally Agree
I hope this is just a joke ad.....
:helmet:

Cape Cod Steel Head
05-31-2007, 05:12 PM
USFL anyone? Did any of you ever go to a Pittsburgh Maulers' game? I did. :)As did I. I think they were playing The Birmingham Stallions. Still have a sweatshirt too.

rbryan
05-31-2007, 05:16 PM
It'll fail, and finally people will realize, especially around here, that Cuban isn't a god.

He's not a God, just has more money than God. I'm not sure he knows how to run a baseball team either, but at least he can afford to.

Elvis
06-03-2007, 07:52 AM
He's not a God, just has more money than God. I'm not sure he knows how to run a baseball team either, but at least he can afford to.
More money than God...?
:toofunny:

Elvis
06-03-2007, 07:57 AM
:nw::salute::coffee:

Godfather
06-03-2007, 09:23 PM
The only way I can see them making it is to be a spring league so people can get their football fix during the offseason. Trying to compete directly with the NFL is a recipe for disaster. What big names will they sign--Ricky Williams?? If they do pick off a couple of megastars they'll lose a fortune. They'd have to replace the salary AND compensate them for the risk of leaving the NFL.

Now, if they start in late April and end in July, and they generate interest by putting some of the teams in major college FB towns and loading them with alumni, they might be able to make it as a niche league.

ben2hines=6
06-04-2007, 01:51 AM
i could almost see it now,college players wanting to go to some new league instead of playing in front of thousands every week in the nfl, not to mentiion the pay differences....this is a joke

Preacher
06-04-2007, 04:47 AM
Okay...

Just for the heck of it... Let me takea BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIG reach... and propose a way this could work (yeah right... but heck, why not take a shot?).

Merge with the CFL, and move the entire thing to the spring. That way, you still have a base for half the teams. Furthermore, teams in Arizona, Florida, parts of mexico, would have a fighting chance, as there would be a base of CFL fans that would be willing to go see thier teams play.

The league is already established enough to give better competition then the USFL or XFL did, and it is already organized.

Thats it.. that is my biiiiiiiiiiiig reach.

Godfather
06-04-2007, 08:59 AM
Okay...

Just for the heck of it... Let me takea BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIG reach... and propose a way this could work (yeah right... but heck, why not take a shot?).

Merge with the CFL, and move the entire thing to the spring. That way, you still have a base for half the teams. Furthermore, teams in Arizona, Florida, parts of mexico, would have a fighting chance, as there would be a base of CFL fans that would be willing to go see thier teams play.

The league is already established enough to give better competition then the USFL or XFL did, and it is already organized.

Thats it.. that is my biiiiiiiiiiiig reach.

I dunno...the CFL already tried that. They put teams in Baltimore, San Antonio, and Shreveport. Only Baltimore worked out for them, and that team got displaced by that slimeball POS Modell.

Jeremy
06-04-2007, 10:09 AM
No network TV = dead in less than a year.

NBC, Fox, CBS, and ABC are all affiliated with the NFL in some way. Does anyone think any one of those four networks will risk pissing off the NFL just to get some third rate league to fill air time?

stlrtruck
06-04-2007, 10:30 AM
I don't think the NFL would have a problem if the league was run in the spring. But also, with a new league comes less cost involved in setting up operations (at least from the station stand point). It's possible that you could get some of the minor stations (CW or MYNetwork - which are joint ventures with stations like FOX, NBC) to air the games. But again, that would have to be in a time slot that does not interfere with the NFL.

Jeremy
06-04-2007, 11:41 AM
I don't think the NFL would have a problem if the league was run in the spring. But also, with a new league comes less cost involved in setting up operations (at least from the station stand point). It's possible that you could get some of the minor stations (CW or MYNetwork - which are joint ventures with stations like FOX, NBC) to air the games. But again, that would have to be in a time slot that does not interfere with the NFL.

I said this on another board, Versus and TNT/TBS are the two best bets to carry the league. And if the league can only get coverage on cable TV, the NFL has nothing to worry about. Cable might be a bigger deal than it used to be, but network TV still rules. Why do you think most of the NFL's playoff games are on network TV and most of basketball's playoff games are on cable? That's why baseball is making a mistake putting their playoff games on TBS.

Preacher
06-04-2007, 03:14 PM
I said this on another board, Versus and TNT/TBS are the two best bets to carry the league. And if the league can only get coverage on cable TV, the NFL has nothing to worry about. Cable might be a bigger deal than it used to be, but network TV still rules. Why do you think most of the NFL's playoff games are on network TV and most of basketball's playoff games are on cable? That's why baseball is making a mistake putting their playoff games on TBS.

I agree...

Though TBS is a wierd station... I know, it is only on cable (sattelite), but it is almost like fox. Those certain "Superstations" are kinda a hybrid between tradition stations and normal cable stations.