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tony hipchest
06-01-2007, 12:54 PM
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10205109

Overrated-underrated: Porter, Warren on opposite ends
May 31, 2007
By Pete Prisco


A certain magazine known for a cover jinx put Joey Porter on its cover last year and called him the NFL's meanest man.

This would have been a better description: The NFL's most overrated player.

Porter signed a five-year, $32 million deal with the Miami Dolphins this spring as an unrestricted free agent. The Dolphins think he can be a pass-rush force, adding to an already talented defense.


Many personnel people and coaches I talked to think they're getting something else, which is a player who has more bark than bite.

Porter had seven sacks last season, but six of those came in three games, two in each of those games. That means in the other 11 games he played -- he missed two for injuries -- he had one sack.

"What's even more alarming about that," said an AFC personnel director, "is that he played a 3-4 outside linebacker. Those players are expected to get double-digits sacks at the least."

Porter turned 30 in March, which is even more reason for concern. Add it all up, and it's why he's the pick as my most overrated player in the NFL, which is something I've picked each of the past four years.

This isn't to pile on Porter, who was fined $1,000 this week for his role in a fight with Cincinnati Bengals tackle Levi Jones in a Las Vegas casino. Porter could still face sanctions from the league for that incident.

The flip side of an overrated player is the league's most underrated player.

So who's that lucky player?

It's New England defensive end Ty Warren. In his fourth season in 2006, Warren had 7? sacks and 84 tackles. It was his breakout season, and one that some said should have landed him in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl.

The problem is that Warren plays opposite Richard Seymour, who is one of the best defensive linemen in the league. Seymour gets most of the attention, which is why Warren doesn't.

But keep an eye on Warren this season. He might be ready to join Seymour in Hawaii.

Here are the underrated and overrated players for each of the league's 32 teams.

see link.

i guess if youre an ex player for one of the last 3 teams to win a championship (colts, steelers or patriots) you are the most overrated player on your new team.

e. james
d. rhodes
j. porter
a. randle el
t. law
d. branch
d. woody
w. mcginnest

:chuckle: (you gotta love the patriot hate though.) must have had to even out writing something good about warren

rbryan
06-01-2007, 01:04 PM
So the difference between the most overrated and underrated is a half a sack???? Makes no sense. Even if factoring in the salaries, it's still out of whack because last year JP was paid much less than his new contract.

tony hipchest
06-01-2007, 01:12 PM
look at these nuggets of journalistic gold:

Overrated

G Damien Woody. He hasn't played well since signing with the Lions as a free agent and now he might go to the bench.


Overrated

TE Bubba Franks. His career has gone down the toilet in a hurry. This former first-round pick is now fighting for a job.
Overrated

MLB Dan Morgan. The tools are there, but he can't stay on the field. That puts him in this category.
Buffalo Bills
Overrated

RT Langston Walker. It's hard to find one on this young team, but since they paid him money as a free agent he's the pick. :confused: :sofunny:

fansince'76
06-01-2007, 01:42 PM
Here's my "ranking" -

Prisco: irrelevant idiot.

Livinginthe past
06-01-2007, 01:44 PM
So the difference between the most overrated and underrated is a half a sack???? Makes no sense. Even if factoring in the salaries, it's still out of whack because last year JP was paid much less than his new contract.

The difference is that Warren is a 3-4 DE with 7.5 sacks and Porter is a OLB in a 3-4 with 7 sacks.

Not many 3-4 DE's hit the heady heights of 5 sacks.

And he is 'over-rated' because of the money he is being paid by the Dolphins and how last years production projects into this year.

Livinginthe past
06-01-2007, 01:46 PM
Here's my ranking -

Prisco: irrelevant idiot.

Ya Pete Prick-so is a useless hack for sure - most people would embarrased to churn out that quality of 'journalism' on a message board let alone get paid for producing it in the 'real media'.

rbryan
06-01-2007, 01:48 PM
Thats my point. He hasn't played for this years salary yet. If he gets 15 sacks then he won't be over rated. Besides isn't Freeny a DE?? Not sure why you would say 5 sacks is a lot for a DE.

Livinginthe past
06-01-2007, 01:51 PM
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10205109

see link.

i guess if youre an ex player for one of the last 3 teams to win a championship (colts, steelers or patriots) you are the most overrated player on your new team.

e. james
d. rhodes
j. porter
a. randle el
t. law
d. branch
d. woody
w. mcginnest

:chuckle: (you gotta love the patriot hate though.) must have had to even out writing something good about warren

If we try and discount the fact that Prisco is something of a moron, I think I can see the reason that players go from SB winners to 'over-rated'.

Its mainly because certain teams try to cherry pick available talent from a 'winning' team and then end up over paying for it.

Is that player capable of making a huge impact on his new team, or was he simply a small cog in a successful, well tuned machine?

Beware the ex-Patriot on a huge salary - i'd love nothing more than for teams to stop offering these guys silly money and recognise them for what they are (players who have played to their absolute potential by a coach who is the best at maximising talent).

Never happen though, teams will over pay for some of that SB 'fairy dust' (no Brady jokes please :wink02:)

Livinginthe past
06-01-2007, 01:53 PM
Thats my point. He hasn't played for this years salary yet. If he gets 15 sacks then he won't be over rated. Besides isn't Freeny a DE?? Not sure why you would say 5 sacks is a lot for a DE.

Freeney is a DE in a 4-3 where DE's are the primary pass rushers.

Warren is a DE in a 3-4 where the OLB's are the primary pass rushers (the DE's are there to collapse the pocket and stop the run)

polamalufan43
06-01-2007, 02:13 PM
I have to completely agree with this one, which is strange because I usually stand up for Porter, haha.... see what turning into a dolphin can do!!!

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

Atlanta Dan
06-01-2007, 02:28 PM
If we try and discount the fact that Prisco is something of a moron, I think I can see the reason that players go from SB winners to 'over-rated'.

Its mainly because certain teams try to cherry pick available talent from a 'winning' team and then end up over paying for it.

Agreed - that principle may have peaked after SB XXX when the Jets paid a fortune for Neil O'Donnell and the Raiders signed Dallas DB Larry Brown for no apparent reason other than he happened to be standing in the right place when O'Donnell hit Brown in the numbers with INTs in SB XXX.

The only reason either player got those $$$ was because of the success of their teams.

tony hipchest
06-01-2007, 03:51 PM
Kiesel had 6 in his first year starting DE in a 3-4, not bad.prisco rightfully called kiesel the steelers most underrated player.

james harrison is taking the same road to being a starter. hopefully next year he is looked at as underrated.

lilyoder6
06-01-2007, 03:57 PM
for the most part i think he did alright

Livinginthe past
06-01-2007, 04:12 PM
Kiesel had 6 in his first year starting DE in a 3-4, not bad.

For sure.

6 sacks is excellent production for a 3-4 DE - especially playing for a team that didn't spend much time with big leads.

The Duke
06-02-2007, 11:21 AM
Porter is overated to me, I'm still holding till the season starts anKd see how he does with the fins, but I doubt it, he's overated and overpaid in my mind. Now Keisel is just an amazing player, and from what i've seen he'll just get better. I even dare to say our #99 the new Jason Taylor:thumbsup:

Elvis
06-02-2007, 12:00 PM
well everyone, wether or not you admit it or not... Joey Porter meant a whole lot to our team for years. He might be slowing down a little now, but a few years ago he was gettin' in the backfield making plays that everyone was praising the guy for... including myself!! McGinnest meant alot to those Patriots also. He always made nice plays for them also. And as for Randel El'.....come on people.... he made alot of big plays as a Steelers... how could he be overrated? He did a great job in the Burgh'''' and all I have heard is people putting down on him.. I loved the guy and he is a stand up Christian man and that means alot to me..
:sign01::sign09::sign02:

Elvis
06-02-2007, 12:02 PM
Porter is overated to me, I'm still holding till the season starts anKd see how he does with the fins, but I doubt it, he's overated and overpaid in my mind. Now Keisel is just an amazing player, and from what i've seen he'll just get better. I even dare to say our #99 the new Jason Taylor:thumbsup:
Jason Taylor?....
Yeah... Right!!!
:tt02::wave:

Livinginthe past
06-02-2007, 12:08 PM
I didn't even give the big lead thing a thought, but that does make it harder to get the sacks .

Thats the secret behind Freeney's numbers really - the Colts tend run up some huge wins in the regular season.

Manning et al set up the blow out and then when the other team is locked into a pass only mode Freeney and his 'spin-move' take control.

In run defense him and his DE partner, Robert Mathis are pretty much a non-factor - as was demonstrated for large parts of last year.

Elvis
06-03-2007, 06:50 AM
yeh.. except the playoffs.. they played very well in the postseason and that is REALLY when it counts, just like it did 2 years ago with the Steelers.
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Elvis