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FourThreeMafia
06-18-2007, 10:17 PM
Left Tackle

Marvel Smith- Dominant run blocker. Vastly under rated at the second level. When healthy he simply beats up RDE's. Smith is slightly above average in pass protection. Smith is a 7 year NFL starter and 28 years old so he is just entering his prime, If Smith refines his technique in Pass Pro he could be 2007 Pro Bowler at LT. Smith is already top 5 run blocking Left tackle in the NFL.

Left Guard

Alan Faneca -Dominate run blocker. Great on the move in the run game. Team leader and the Grit of the Oline. Average at best in Pass Protection. I believe both Smith and Faneca will benefit from the end of Camp Grimm where the Oline seemed to sip lemonade and eat donuts. Attention to small details in pass protection and Faneca is the most dominant interior OLinemen in the NFL

Center

Sean Mahan - Solid technician, but not real strong. He will struggle with Big NG's. Gets by with guts and a non stop motor. He will need help with interior Dlinemen. First time the Steelers will have to help a center with an interior player since 1962. Mahan is good in pass protection and has good feet. He is a bigger more mobile version of Chukky Okobi, who I expect (hope) to be cut.

Right Guard

Willie Colon - He is one of the best 5. He has the tools to be a mainstay at RG. Perfect size and nasty disposition. He showed he is a mauling player who wants to street fight every play. He may be one of my new favorite Steelers . He wants to go to war every play. He isn't the biggest guy...His lack of arm length wont be detrimental at RG.

Right Tackle

Max Starks - Big as a house, and about as mobile as one as well. When he is playing well...WOW!. He needs alot of work on technique...but he is a gem. He plays nasty. He caves the Dline like no other Steeler tackle...As good as Eric Williams in his prime. Starks controls what he can touch in pass pro. Needs balance work. Thats just about it. He needs to be like the Cobra..strike and recoil

Larry Zierlein will make a worlds of difference with this Oline.

To Russ Grimm fans: Steve Spurrier made one good move as an NFL coach...he fired Russ Grimm.

ChronoCross
06-18-2007, 10:37 PM
I could think of at least 4 are more threads this could go in. Sure it will be moved. Welcome to the Forums tho.

FourThreeMafia
06-18-2007, 10:44 PM
I could think of at least 4 are more threads this could go in. Sure it will be moved. Welcome to the Forums tho.

Hmm...I didnt know. Stoopid n00b...:dang:

GBMelBlount
06-18-2007, 10:45 PM
Agreed Chrono. But, I think the Steeleres OL is possibly the most important single factor in their success in 2007. Good post FTM. I hope the new coaching & renewed competition & intensity can bring our OL more in line with that we had in 2005! We were amazing!

lamberts-lost-tooth
06-19-2007, 07:40 AM
Left Tackle

Marvel Smith- Dominant run blocker. Vastly under rated at the second level. When healthy he simply beats up RDE's. Smith is slightly above average in pass protection. Smith is a 7 year NFL starter and 28 years old so he is just entering his prime, If Smith refines his technique in Pass Pro he could be 2007 Pro Bowler at LT. Smith is already top 5 run blocking Left tackle in the NFL.

Left Guard

Alan Faneca -Dominate run blocker. Great on the move in the run game. Team leader and the Grit of the Oline. Average at best in Pass Protection. I believe both Smith and Faneca will benefit from the end of Camp Grimm where the Oline seemed to sip lemonade and eat donuts. Attention to small details in pass protection and Faneca is the most dominant interior OLinemen in the NFL

Center

Sean Mahan - Solid technician, but not real strong. He will struggle with Big NG's. Gets by with guts and a non stop motor. He will need help with interior Dlinemen. First time the Steelers will have to help a center with an interior player since 1962. Mahan is good in pass protection and has good feet. He is a bigger more mobile version of Chukky Okobi, who I expect (hope) to be cut.

Right Guard

Willie Colon - He is one of the best 5. He has the tools to be a mainstay at RG. Perfect size and nasty disposition. He showed he is a mauling player who wants to street fight every play. He may be one of my new favorite Steelers . He wants to go to war every play. He isn't the biggest guy...His lack of arm length wont be detrimental at RG.

Right Tackle

Max Starks - Big as a house, and about as mobile as one as well. When he is playing well...WOW!. He needs alot of work on technique...but he is a gem. He plays nasty. He caves the Dline like no other Steeler tackle...As good as Eric Williams in his prime. Starks controls what he can touch in pass pro. Needs balance work. Thats just about it. He needs to be like the Cobra..strike and recoil

Larry Zierlein will make a worlds of difference with this Oline.

To Russ Grimm fans: Steve Spurrier made one good move as an NFL coach...he fired Russ Grimm.

If you have to get rid of one starter from last year (other than Hartings of course) I would rather find a place for Simmons at Center or Guard and get rid of Starks...Colon did an admirable job of filling at at tackle last year. Starks doesnt know how to bend at the knees. He is consistantly being knocked back. Wilie average 4.6 yards on the left side of the ball last year...and 3.7 on the right. I think Simmons wins the right guard slot by default since it appears that Kemo has had some problems taking in line assignments..and is probably better playing in a phonebooth. Mahan is the most athletic of the trio of Mahan/Okobi/Philip..(plus they paid him alot of money to just sit on the bench)...By cutting Starks and Okobi, the Steelers save about 4 mil a year. I look for both...along with Deshea to get walking papers this year. (Maybe not Deshea..but MAN it felt good to type that!!!!)

FourThreeMafia
06-19-2007, 09:09 AM
If you have to get rid of one starter from last year (other than Hartings of course) I would rather find a place for Simmons at Center or Guard and get rid of Starks...Colon did an admirable job of filling at at tackle last year. Starks doesnt know how to bend at the knees. He is consistantly being knocked back. Wilie average 4.6 yards on the left side of the ball last year...and 3.7 on the right. I think Simmons wins the right guard slot by default since it appears that Kemo has had some problems taking in line assignments..and is probably better playing in a phonebooth. Mahan is the most athletic of the trio of Mahan/Okobi/Philip..(plus they paid him alot of money to just sit on the bench)...By cutting Starks and Okobi, the Steelers save about 4 mil a year. I look for both...along with Deshea to get walking papers this year. (Maybe not Deshea..but MAN it felt good to type that!!!!)

Starks is not nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He plays next to who I think is one of the 5 worst starting guards in the NFL in Simmons. Plus, as I said, Grimm wasnt the great OLine coach alot made him out to be. He only taught the fundamentals and didnt really work with his younger players. Starks has the strength, size and mean streak to be a dominant tackle. He needs alot of work on his footwork, but that is something that can be fixed with the proper teaching, which obviously Grimm couldnt do. I think there is a better chance Starks will get extended before he gets cut. Not to say he will be resigned, but if he does hit free agency, he will command alot of money on the open market.

I am with you on Okobi all the way. He is making too much money for a slow, short limbed center that isnt that strong. He has good technique, but thats about the only positive thing I have to say about him. Hopefully, he is gone by Labor Day.

I like Kemo, and if he could only learn the blocking assignements, he might be a great player. Unfortunately, he hasnt made much progression in that aspect over the last 2 seasons, so I wouldnt be surprised if this is his last year in black and gold, or even if he is cut during preseason.

One guy to watch out for is rookie Cameron Stephenson. Solid athlete that does everything well. A good pick up for them late in the draft.

As far as DeShea, I see no way he gets cut. We have absolutely no real depth behind Ike and BMac, and while DeShea may have lost some steps, he is still the smartest CB we have. Id still rather turn to him than rely on Coke or Gay, who are nickle backs at best. The only way I could see us dumping DeShea is if the Steelers do something very uncharacteristic of them and take Paul Oliver in the supplemental draft. He would have went in the first round had he come out, but since he is academically inellgible, he cant play college ball. I would be willing to give up a 2008 2nd rounder to get him. He isnt a bad kid, he just isnt great in the classroom.

19ward86
06-19-2007, 12:31 PM
starks needs to be an interior lineman, he is amazingly strong but slow like a center or a gaurd. colon wont start over kemoeatu, colon was good in his few appearences last season but i think kemoeatu's amazing strength and good technique expecially for a free agent will be dominant over colon's.

Black@Gold Forever32
06-19-2007, 12:45 PM
Kemoeatu wasn't a free agent....He was drafted in the 6th round of the 2005 draft.....lol I don't know were Willie Colon will start but he willl start this year....Either at RG or RT.....

I'm glad somebody else thought Russ Grimm was over-rated...He was a good coach but he wasn't the messiah of Oline coaches like some people make him out to be.....lol You listen to Cards fan and they think Russ Grimm alone will fix their Oline and turn their Oline into a great Oline....lol

steelersfanman92
06-19-2007, 01:11 PM
I played quaterback for a few years and I can definately say that when your line blocks you win when it doesnt you are in a lot of trouble. You are not going to win with a weak line and the Steelers looks pretty good this year.

lamberts-lost-tooth
06-19-2007, 02:23 PM
Starks is not nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He plays next to who I think is one of the 5 worst starting guards in the NFL in Simmons. Plus, as I said, Grimm wasnt the great OLine coach alot made him out to be. He only taught the fundamentals and didnt really work with his younger players. Starks has the strength, size and mean streak to be a dominant tackle. He needs alot of work on his footwork, but that is something that can be fixed with the proper teaching, which obviously Grimm couldnt do. I think there is a better chance Starks will get extended before he gets cut. Not to say he will be resigned, but if he does hit free agency, he will command alot of money on the open market.

I am with you on Okobi all the way. He is making too much money for a slow, short limbed center that isnt that strong. He has good technique, but thats about the only positive thing I have to say about him. Hopefully, he is gone by Labor Day.

I like Kemo, and if he could only learn the blocking assignements, he might be a great player. Unfortunately, he hasnt made much progression in that aspect over the last 2 seasons, so I wouldnt be surprised if this is his last year in black and gold, or even if he is cut during preseason.

One guy to watch out for is rookie Cameron Stephenson. Solid athlete that does everything well. A good pick up for them late in the draft.

As far as DeShea, I see no way he gets cut. We have absolutely no real depth behind Ike and BMac, and while DeShea may have lost some steps, he is still the smartest CB we have. Id still rather turn to him than rely on Coke or Gay, who are nickle backs at best. The only way I could see us dumping DeShea is if the Steelers do something very uncharacteristic of them and take Paul Oliver in the supplemental draft. He would have went in the first round had he come out, but since he is academically inellgible, he cant play college ball. I would be willing to give up a 2008 2nd rounder to get him. He isnt a bad kid, he just isnt great in the classroom.

I would love for us to pull the trigger on Oliver!!! Good call there. Deshea has never been able to run with elite WR's (which is why Ike seemed to take on the studs)....so when we go against teams with two good recievers...his weaknesses become VERY obvious. I truly get tired of seeing him play follow-the-leader into the endzone, but yea...with our lack of depth, unfortunaltely we keep him.
Gotta disagree with you on Starks...I like him as a person and I like his attitude...but until he learns to quit bending at the waist...and get better at leverage he will never be the Right Tackle that we were hoping he would be. When I go back at look at past games I noticed that he gets alot of help from Kreider and from stunts/pulls that the left side of our line doesnt seem to need. To be honest I wouldnt mind seeing a Kemo/Colon right side...I think Kemo would be a better run blocker..and I think before too long Colon would be better at run and pass.

ChronoCross
06-19-2007, 02:29 PM
Starks is a flat out joke. He gets blown up at the line all day long. And no he would not even make the fit to guard. He needs to be let go.

FourThreeMafia
06-19-2007, 02:58 PM
Im not going to try to convince anyone about Starks, if you dont like him, thats fine, and you have reason not to like him. But I can pretty much guarantee he will be the starter this year. I for one have faith in him. He shows flashes of brilliance, but lack of proper and consistant coaching has been his downfall. Ive never been a Grimm fan, and was happy to see him go. We had the same OLine from the previous successful years in 2006, and there was no reason the line should been as bad as it was last year. When teams are only sending 4-5 guys and still pressuring Ben, you know something is wrong.

As far as Starks moving inside, it will never happen. There are plenty of reasons, but, have you ever seen a 6'8 interior lineman? It doesnt work too well because the protoypical QB is 6'5, and its harder to see open lanes in the middle when your guards are that big, and youd also probably see alot of balls ricocheting off of Starks helmet. :banging:

ChronoCross
06-19-2007, 03:28 PM
You cannot be for sure that starks will be the starter are not. We all do not know exactly what the center to right side of the line will actually look like until Tomlin lets us all know. Lots of battles to be done. Its one big guessing game on who will actually start at C, RG, RT. We all can say what line we would like to see but thats about it.

The Duke
06-19-2007, 03:58 PM
Please release or trade starks, he's young, someone would probably overpay for him :sofunny:

verks36
06-19-2007, 04:15 PM
man i can sort of tell your not a big grim fan.

I am not so sure if chucky will get cut that is a little to much.

FourThreeMafia
06-19-2007, 04:33 PM
You cannot be for sure that starks will be the starter are not. We all do not know exactly what the center to right side of the line will actually look like until Tomlin lets us all know. Lots of battles to be done. Its one big guessing game on who will actually start at C, RG, RT. We all can say what line we would like to see but thats about it.

Well, nothing is for sure, but if I HAD to put money on it, Id bet that Starks is starting in 2007. There isnt alot of depth or competition at tackle. Trai Essex will never be a solid starter, and the rest are average depth or PS goonies. As much as some of you may dislike Starks, there are no better options behind him right now. It is possible someone makes major strides and somehow overtakes him, but judging from the players competing for that position, I really doubt that happens.

FourThreeMafia
06-19-2007, 04:38 PM
man i can sort of tell your not a big grim fan.

I am not so sure if chucky will get cut that is a little to much.

Is it that obvious? :flippy:

And what is too much when releasing Okobi? It wouldnt be that big of a cap hit.

nwksteeler
06-20-2007, 06:54 PM
Agreed Chrono. But, I think the Steeleres OL is possibly the most important single factor in their success in 2007. Good post FTM. I hope the new coaching & renewed competition & intensity can bring our OL more in line with that we had in 2005! We were amazing!

I could'nt agree more, our running game and pass protection will be the key to whether we challenge for a super bowl or a wild card appearance. Our defense will be fine

DACEB
06-21-2007, 09:39 AM
I think everyone agrees that the O-line will be play a major role to how far the Steelers go this upcoming season. Those 5 men will be the key to Bens and the offenses productivity. Of coarse no one knows at this time who will start, but that is why we are all here on this forum- to discuss and debate who should start.

First off I think whoever starts at the beginning of the season is not a lock to be the starter at the end of the season. I really think some guys (prior starters,vets) will be given the oppurtunity to showcase themselves beyond training camp even if the 'younger guy' is playing good enough to start. Let's not forget we don't have the depth to just cast off linemen, especially with Faneca's inevitable departure looming.

I have to agree with FTM about Starks. I believe Starks will be given every oppurtunity possible simply because of his potential, and his potential is to be GREAT not just good. I know many of you are wondering where that potential was last year when Ben was getting drove into the turf, so was I. I believe alot of the problems on the right side of the line last season was due to both Starks and Simmons being out of condition. The new coaching staff along with new conditioning coach and new nutritionist will look to rectify that. Again I believe those two will be given every oppurtunity to succeed.

The center position is the most intriguing to me. I initially thought this would be a battle between newly aquired Mahan and Simmons (I am one who thinks Chukky will be gone). Now with all the talk about Colon, I think he could be in the mix. Whoever is at center will have to deal with some mammoth nosetackles (in the AFC) and I like Simmons or possibly Colon with his attitude for that job.

In the end I believe there will be only 1 new starter on the line at the beginning of the year, and that will be Mahan. I think it is a tossup as to whether Mahan plays center and Simmons at right guard or vise versa. I don't think Kemo is ready just yet, but he and Stephenson seem to have the potential to succeed at the guard position in the future.

O.K. the future. Now where will we be at the end of the upcoming season? I get the impression that the higher payed vets had better perform or they will be out. Obviously there is a lot of talk about Willie Colon, by coach Tomlin and many on this forum. I think it is obvious that Colon is 'THE #1 backup' at more than one position. It seems that everyone is itching to get Colon in the starting five (myself included). Here I have to agree with FTM again that Colon is probably best suited for a guard position (FTM had Colon as starting RG). That would leave us with a few guys fighting for the future guard vacancy, which is why I wouldn't mind seeing Colon compete and do well at center. By the end of the year Colon will be one of the starting five IMO.

polamalu3000
06-24-2007, 01:52 PM
deshea will only be good for 1-2 more years then he will be about 33 so he will be pretty old and i wouldnt be surprised if a younger Corner came and took the starting job like maybe ike or gay.

polamalu3000
06-24-2007, 01:56 PM
i thought our line was decent last year except for the ravens game when we aloud 12 sacks and ben could hardly stand. i really like colon and starks but im still worried about the steelers resigning faneca it would suck to lose him i think thats one reason why we drafted the LG stephenson so in case faneca didnt stick around we would have a starter the following year.