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Crushzilla
06-19-2007, 03:16 PM
Florio posted this earlier today, kind of a no news thing, and beat to death here, but its a slow news day. Figured I'd put it up if no one saw it.

STEELERS VETS THINK FANECA SHOULD GET PAID

Though there are indications that new Steelers coach Mike Tomlin is in the process of winning over the team he inherited from Bill Cowher earlier this year, Tomlin still has a long way to go before he's viewed as being firmly in control.

Case in point -- we're hearing that most if not all of the Steelers veteran players believe that Pro Bowl guard Alan Faneca is getting a raw deal in the pay department from the team.

Last month, Faneca spoke out regarding his dissatisfaction with a demeanor so emotional that team chairman Dan Rooney later expressed concern that Faneca might keel over. Faneca basically said that the team is lowballing him, and that he will leave the franchise after the 2007 season, when his current contract expires.

Not many of the blue-collar types in the Steel City shed tears for Faneca, since in comparison to the average men and women who are the backbone of this country (and the legs, feet, arms, and hands) Faneca's name might as well be "Bill Gates." Still, in the locker room, the guys who have put in their time with the team tend to agree that the franchise should do more for Faneca.

On one hand, it's understandable. The players who have been with the team for several years can see themselves in Faneca's shoes: a long track record of loyal service, a birth date putting them on the wrong side of 30, and one last realistic shot at a big contract before it's time to call it quits.

On the other hand, the players need to realize that there is a hard cap on the money that is available for their salaries, and that a seven-year, $49 million contract to Faneca would only mean less money for the rest of them.

Besides, should anyone be shocked by the fact that the Steelers won't break the bank for Faneca? They've never broken the bank for anyone. They never will. Part of being a true Steeler is being willing to take less money there than might be available elsewhere. It's one of the reasons that the franchise can accumulate so many above-average players; by not having a ton of cap space tied up in two or three superstars, there's more than enough money available to ensure that all of the starters would really be starters in other cities, and that the depth chart really does have depth.

http://www.profootballtalk.com

The last paragraph kind of sums it up to me. I don't see anything changing for one guy.

Atlanta Dan
06-19-2007, 03:26 PM
Players always think vets are being lowballed - if I was Hines Ward (my pick for the unnamed "vets" who support Faneca in this story) I would be rootin for Faneca since it is Hines paycheck at risk after this season.

Players take care of #1; no player going to stay with a team unless they think it is in their interest to do so, and managment negotiates contracts the same way.

Hines & Alan need to rent The Godfather - it's not personal, it's strictly business.

Stlrs4Life
06-19-2007, 04:44 PM
Well, once again, it comes from PFT.

SteelCityMan786
06-19-2007, 04:53 PM
Well, once again, it comes from PFT.

once again, I'm more likely to believe a REAL Source.

fansince'76
06-19-2007, 04:55 PM
Even if it's true, so what? Brady was quite vocally angry when the Pats' FO not only let Givens walk, but Branch as well. We'll survive. And which of the vets are willing to be cut from the team to make cap space for such a move? Not many, I'll venture to bet.

Edit: And another thing that pisses me off is how Tomlin's name gets mentioned every time this subject is brought up. Hello, it's the Rooneys who sign the checks, not Tomlin!

onthebus36
06-19-2007, 05:10 PM
Edit: And another thing that pisses me off is how Tomlin's name gets mentioned every time this subject is brought up. Hello, it's the Rooneys who sign the checks, not Tomlin!

No doubt! Coaches can talk to players and get them to come to camp (like Cowher with Hines) but they don't negotiate salaries or write contracts. If anything, Tomlin deserves credit for reaching out to Faneca and getting him to minicamp rather than blame for the contract situation.

SteelerMurf
06-19-2007, 05:49 PM
any player is gonna root for Faneca or any other player to get paid more

The Duke
06-19-2007, 06:45 PM
Edit: And another thing that pisses me off is how Tomlin's name gets mentioned every time this subject is brought up. Hello, it's the Rooneys who sign the checks, not Tomlin!

I noticed that too, it's like if these unreliable sources like PFT are always trying to put the blame on the young rookie coach.

onthebus36
06-19-2007, 07:07 PM
Last year, I started copying all the "top" football writer predictions and comparing them to things they said later in the season. My fav was John Clayton who predicted Daunte Culpepper would take the 'fins to the Super Bowl only to later state that it was doomed from the start and they should have take Drew Brees. (No duh...)

I mention that because these same people will be making similar predictions aobut Tomlin.

We should start an archive of preseason Steelers predictions and see what writers are closest to getting it right.

revefsreleets
06-19-2007, 07:21 PM
If I was a veteran player on this Steelers team, I'm pretty sure that I would do whatever I had to do to appease Faneca. He's going to be a Steeler this year, no matter what, and he's still one of the best at his position (although the Steelers know he's starting to slip a little, or else we wouldn't be talking about this) and the team needs him to play to the best of his ability if they are going to make a run. If I was Hines Ward I'd tell him he was worth Peyton Manning money to get his head into the game.

tony hipchest
06-19-2007, 07:44 PM
If I was a veteran player on this Steelers team, I'm pretty sure that I would do whatever I had to do to appease Faneca. He's going to be a Steeler this year, no matter what, and he's still one of the best at his position (although the Steelers know he's starting to slip a little, or else we wouldn't be talking about this) and the team needs him to play to the best of his ability if they are going to make a run. If I was Hines Ward I'd tell him he was worth Peyton Manning money to get his head into the game.
great point. fanecas beef is with management, not his teammates and "brothers". i would be disappointed if the team turned their back on him. after all theyre in the "trenches" with him on a daily/weekly basis.

GBMelBlount
06-19-2007, 09:51 PM
The FO philosophy of not overpaying 30+ "beasts" & most other premiere players (in general) has apparently paid off. I am curious. If that is the case why are the Steelers always up against the cap? Are they overpaying everyone else?

Crushzilla
06-19-2007, 11:16 PM
The FO philosophy of not overpaying 30+ "beasts" & most other premiere players (in general) has apparently paid off. I am curious. If that is the case why are the Steelers always up against the cap? Are they overpaying everyone else?

A lot of the money last year was tied up in the heart of our defensive core. An average of 3,218,000 went into our four starting linebackers. A little over 12 million combined.

I also think that can be attributed to giving reasonable reasonable salaries to a number of solid positional players as well as starters. IMO this is much more valuable because we have above average depth are are more resilient if an injury does occur. We are getting a pretty cheap price, though, on some of our backups.

For example, a lot of our backup players last year. Harrison, Kirschke, Hoke, Kriewaldt cost an average of 1.2 million against our cap.

The REAL damage, however, was in our Offensive line. The entire unit (starters and backups) cost us over 22.5 million against the cap. That's almost a quarter there.

22.5 To the O Line
12 million to the Linebackers

These two area are the core of any Steelers football team. Which is probably why they consume about one third of our cap room. This is all before QBs, RBs, Kreider, Dline, Secondary, Receivers, Tight Ends, Special Teamers...

With the exit of Hardings and Porter, though (11 million dollars against the cap) we should see some relief.

Galax Steeler
06-20-2007, 04:57 AM
They want to see him get the big dollars so when there turn comes they will have the big dollars.

HometownGal
06-20-2007, 09:15 AM
They want to see him get the big dollars so when there turn comes they will have the big dollars.

They're not going to get the big dollars if Faneca gets that huge contract, which I am reasonably certain he won't. There is only so much moola to go around with the current cap system and with Troy and Ben's contracts coming up for renegotiation, the Steelers need to "conserve" however they can. Surely Faneca knows the relevance of signing both Troy and Ben.

I totally get why these vets are supportive of Faneca - he is still wearing the same black and gold uniform that they are and in order for them to be successful as a team this season, they need to maintain that comradarie.

Big D
06-20-2007, 09:56 AM
I have a big problem with guards getting 7 million a year. I dont think giving faneca "market value" is a smart investment on the steelers part. I would trade him and get some more youth on this team.

Aussie_steeler
06-22-2007, 06:23 AM
That's the real truth of the matter. The league designed it years ago so that teams HAVE to let guys like Faneca walk. Let some other team pay him $7 million a year, and then watch what happens when they either have to cut two or three good players to get under the cap, or else get stuck in neutral for a couple years because they can't afford to add any good new players.

I agree totally. A brutal approach to the salary cap is the only way to remain competitive year in year out.

In Australia our national rugby league competition has the exact same scenario present itself. A salary cap of $3.6 million dollars spread across 25 players creates a much tighter situation.

THe best clubs like the Brisbane Broncos & Melbourne storm have a very clear philosophy in relation to the salary cap.

1. Be the best at identifying young talent
2. Sign them to long term contracts initially for market value
3. Once they get near 30 years of age get rid of them (dont get stuck with an aging overpriced star)
4. Take a punt on experienced players who had one or two poor years and buy them for minimum dollar
5. If players want to renegotiate contracts early they run the risk of being shown the door.
6. Make it attractive for stars to want to stay and accept a pay cut by providing them with playoff opportunities every year (players want to be measured by the number of trophies they have won)

CLubs that have a different philosophy try to by one or two great seasons and then spend the next decade crawling out of the hole they have dug.

Old diehard fans cry loudly for the good old days of player loyalty to club and jersey but we live in the age of CULTIVATED PARITY.

CLoser competition = means more fans = greater revenue for administrators

Without the safety net of trades the clubs have learnt to become BRUTAL and just blame the salary cap.

The players are aware of the reality of the situation and they therefore prostitute themselves to the highest bidder (in the NRL, overseas or to rugby union) and take the money wherever it comes from.

This situation has a lot of similarities to the NFL salary cap dilema.

We should be greatful that the steeler management has discovered the best way to manage the salary cap - dont overpay aging talent and be better than everybody else at drafting future starters.