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stillers4me
07-04-2007, 08:05 PM
Opinion: Bengals’ Lewis heads list of coaches on hot seat
Del Rio, Coughlin, Fisher, Gruden also under pressure to produce

OPINION
By Steve Silverman
Updated: 2:42 p.m. ET July 3, 2007
Few coaches have ever been in better position than Tony Dungy or Lovie Smith. The two friends led the Colts and Bears, respectively, into the Super Bowl and the game was a memorable moment for them and the coaching community.

No matter what happens in 2007, both should be safe for at least one more year on the NFL sidelines.

But there are many others who will begin the season on a much shorter leash. Five have to produce winning seasons or they will almost certainly be gone, and five other coaches also have concerns going into the new season.

Marvin Lewis, Bengals :wave:
It looked so promising for Lewis after the 2005 season. The Bengals had won the AFC North (:coffee:), tossing aside years of losing and jokes from talk-show hosts to become one of the most explosive teams in the league. But when Carson Palmer was lost with a severe knee injury in the Bengals’ wild-card playoff loss to the Steelers(:crutches:), the franchise went into reverse. Not only did the team struggle in 2006 with an 8-8 record, the Bengals became the poster boys for commissioner Roger Goodell’s zero-tolerance policy for criminal behavior. The Bengals have had 10 players run afoul of the law since Jan. 1, 2006, and Lewis will bear the responsibility for turning the situation around. Not only do the Bengals have to return to the playoffs, but they have to change their off-the-field behavior and show that they can become solid citizens. It might not be Lewis’s fault, but the head coach is the symbol of the franchise, and owner Mike Brown never has shown the inclination to take the pressure off of his top lieutenant.

Jack Del Rio, Jaguars :wave:
A couple of years ago, Del Rio looked like a can’t-miss head coach who might find himself the subject of a Hollywood feature film. Not only had he helped turn the Jacksonville locker room into a joyous one following the Draconian reign of Tom Coughlin, he helped build one of the most physical and punishing defenses in the league. Playing in the same division with Indianapolis, Del Rio’s team relished playing the Colts and matching them punch for punch. With John Henderson and Marcus Stroud anchoring the middle of the defensive line, the Jaguars had a dominating identity. However, the offense has stalled regularly even though they have a strong-armed quarterback in Byron Leftwich and a two-headed running attack in Maurice Jones-Drew and Fred Taylor. Nevertheless, the Jaguars offense is not even mediocre. This is probably Del Rio’s last chance to show some consistency.

Jeff Fisher, Titans :wave:
Owner Bud Adams had all but ridden Fisher out on a rail last season, but a funny thing happened when No. 1 draft choice Vince Young started to play. The lowly Titans began winning, and Fisher held on to his job. With a superstar in training like Young, the Titans should have used the offseason to build around him and become the team that nobody wants to face this season. However, this has been the offseason of “Pacman” Jones and other tribulations. They are unproven at the other skill positions, and the Titans are lacking in the trenches. Despite the presence of this magical quarterback, it’s doubtful that Don Shula or the ghost of Vince Lombardi could win with this team. Look for Adams to make Fisher the scapegoat.

Tom Coughlin, Giants :wave:
Few coaches in the 30 years have been more difficult to work for than Coughlin. Star running back Tiki Barber was criticized for retiring while he still had gas in the tank, but a boss like Coughlin made the decision easy for him. Picture the teacher that screamed at everyone in his class and multiply it by 10. Then you have the working conditions imposed by Coughlin. Mildly creative on offense, he is too overbearing. His demands that players do it his way at all costs weigh on the Giants, and that’s why they suffer after the midway point of the season. Barring a miracle, the Giants endure their last season under Coughlin and make a big push for Bill Cowher. :jawdrop:


Jon Gruden, Tampa Bay :wave:
The Super Bowl championship that the Bucs won following the 2002 season has faded deep into the memory bank, and the team has been underachieving since then. Gruden’s public image is that of an intense, driven competitor who will do anything to get an edge on his opponent. He does work hard, but he rarely finds the edge anymore. The offense has not hit the heights he had hoped, and the defense has lost much of its power. If Jeff Garcia doesn’t turn out to be a steadying influence at quarterback, there is little chance the Bucs will be any more than a .500 team this season. It’s difficult to see the Glazer family keeping him around any longer than this season.


Brian Billick of the Ravens, Romeo Crennel of the Browns, Herman Edwards of the Chiefs, Brad Childress of Minnesota and new Cowboys coach Wade Phillips also will be under the microscope this season. Billick was on the hot seat a year ago, but the Ravens’ division title gave him a reprieve. Ravens fans are still waiting for Billick to show his magic offensive touch with the team.

Crennel does not have much to work with, but he is in his third year on the job, and his bosses in Cleveland want to see progress after 6-10 and 4-12 seasons. It looks like it will take rookie Brady Quinn quite a long time to be ready, so it’s hard to find improvement when Charlie Frye is the starting quarterback.

Edwards is an established coach who was successful with the Jets despite an overwhelming lack of talent. He’s probably a better coach now, but GM Carl Peterson is a demanding boss who wants results and will not hesitate to change leaders if he doesn’t like what he sees.

Through the first six games of the 2006 season, Childress appeared to have the 4-2 Vikings on track for a winning season. But he lost control of his team and the Vikings had no direction. The insecure Childress has the bulk of the decision-making power in the organization, but a double-digit loss season will force owner Zygi Wilf into action.

There’s little doubt that the Cowboys will enjoy the working conditions Phillips gives them after being under the thumb of Bill Parcells. A quick start is likely, but Phillips never has been more than an average strategist, and his players instinctively learn how to take advantage of his “friendly” attitude. If the Cowboys don’t have the kind of season that Jerry Jones is expecting — a division title and at least one postseason win — Phillips may be one-and-done in Dallas.

Steve Silverman writes regularly for MSNBC.com and is a freelance writer based in Chicago.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19562017/

tony hipchest
07-04-2007, 08:12 PM
its nice to see carsons little knee twaek still being used as an excuse for all the players arrests and an 8-8 season (didnt the bengals start last year 3-0 against pretty good competition?)

nice how the media and the bengals over dramatisized his injury to give a built in excuse for losing, and to demonize kimo and the big ol bad pittsburgh steelers.

if anyone bought into the hype surrounding his "shredded knee" you woulda thought he had a far less chance of future success than d. culpepper.

poor pocket passer palmer.

MasterOfPuppets
07-04-2007, 08:44 PM
if the bungholes fire lewis,it'll be racially motivated...:coffee:

stillers4me
07-04-2007, 08:59 PM
if the bungholes fire lewis,it'll be racially motivated...:coffee:

Definitely profiling......

RoethlisBURGHer
07-05-2007, 08:09 PM
Screw the Bengals.Lewis deserves to be on the hotseat with one winning season in 4 years as coach.I truly hope they go back to those one-win-a-season years so all those bandwaon jagoffs go back into hiding.Just like the locusts,they show up about every 15 years and then leave.

Last I checked,poor wittle Carson played every game last year and had some damn good statistics.Didn't he win the Pro Bowl MOP?So yeah,his knee injury is no excuse for thier 8-8 season.

CantStop85
07-05-2007, 08:41 PM
Screw the Bengals.Lewis deserves to be on the hotseat with one winning season in 4 years as coach.I truly hope they go back to those one-win-a-season years so all those bandwaon jagoffs go back into hiding.Just like the locusts,they show up about every 15 years and then leave.

Last I checked,poor wittle Carson played every game last year and had some damn good statistics.Didn't he win the Pro Bowl MOP?So yeah,his knee injury is no excuse for thier 8-8 season.

It was pretty obvious that Carson wasn't 100% especially near the beginning of the season. The injury he sustained is supposed to take about 1 to 1 and a half years to fully recover from. So he should just now be reaching 100% physically.

With that being said, the Bengals defense (especially the pass defense) was the reason Cincinnati didn't make the playoffs, not Carson Palmer.

As far as Marvin Lewis being on the hot seat...if you've been coaching an NFL team for more than a year and haven't reached the super bowl, you're probably already on the hot seat.

RoethlisBURGHer
07-05-2007, 08:44 PM
It was pretty obvious that Carson wasn't 100% especially near the beginning of the season. The injury he sustained is supposed to take about 1 to 1 and a half years to fully recover from. So he should just now be reaching 100% physically.

With that being said, the Bengals defense (especially the pass defense) was the reason Cincinnati didn't make the playoffs, not Carson Palmer.

As far as Marvin Lewis being on the hot seat...if you've been coaching an NFL team for more than a year and haven't reached the super bowl, you're probably already on the hot seat.

Carson wasn't at 100% but he still had the numbers to make the Pro Bowl.

It hurt the Bengals pass defense when they found out they wouldn't be playing the entire NFC North division.

tony hipchest
07-05-2007, 09:25 PM
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As far as Marvin Lewis being on the hot seat...if you've been coaching an NFL team for more than a year and haven't reached the super bowl, you're probably already on the hot seat.yeah, thats it! :sofunny: it has nothing to do with not being able to make the playoffs, climb above .500, being a defensive "genius" who constantly fields crap for defense, or the 20 something arrests of 10 players.

whatever helps. atleast carson is 100% physically to compensate for his only being 70% mentally.

CantStop85
07-05-2007, 10:17 PM
yeah, thats it! :sofunny: it has nothing to do with not being able to make the playoffs, climb above .500, being a defensive "genius" who constantly fields crap for defense, or the 20 something arrests of 10 players.

If Marvin Lewis is ever fired, it just proves how much of a douchebag Mike Brown really is.

whatever helps. atleast carson is 100% physically to compensate for his only being 70% mentally.

As compared to Big Ben's mental state after his accident.

http://www.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2001095/2458_Scrambled_Eggs_4_Full.jpg

RoethlisBURGHer
07-05-2007, 10:31 PM
Yummy,scrambled eggs!

stlrtruck
07-06-2007, 08:53 AM
If Marvin Lewis is ever fired, it just proves how much of a douchebag Mike Brown really is.



As compared to Big Ben's mental state after his accident.

http://www.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/2001095/2458_Scrambled_Eggs_4_Full.jpg

At least Ben wasn't using it as an excuse for his performance. Seems to me that Caution needs to step up and be a leader on the team, I mean by god even you have to agree CS85 that you've got enough whiners!!

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-06-2007, 09:06 AM
Marvin Lewis is a "Tool"...who minimizes his players actions..while using double talk to confuse and placate the Bengal following. BUT he is still the ONLY coach in Bengal history with a winning record, which puts him in a stratosphere of "Godlike" proportions.

The Bengal fans have blinders on as to his only having ONE winning season....and his orchestrating the Bengals into the laughing stock of the NFL....When your team becomes fodder for late night comic monologues...Its time to open your eyes!!!!

CantStop85
07-06-2007, 11:01 AM
BUT he is still the ONLY coach in Bengal history with a winning record, which puts him in a stratosphere of "Godlike" proportions.

Actually, Forrest Gregg and Bill "Tiger" Johnson both finished their careers with the Bengals with winning records.

The Bengal fans have blinders on as to his only having ONE winning season....and his orchestrating the Bengals into the laughing stock of the NFL....When your team becomes fodder for late night comic monologues...Its time to open your eyes!!!!

You say this like the Bengals weren't the laughing stock of the league before Marvin Lewis arrived. The Bengals already were fodder for late night comic monlogues all through the 90's. Losing was a culture before Marvin Lewis arrived in Cincinnati. Sure, there have been some bumps lately with all of the player arrests and hopefully these issues will be avoided in the future. But you obviously don't understand exactly what the Bengals organization was like before Lewis arrived.

tony hipchest
07-06-2007, 11:04 AM
But you obviously don't understand exactly what the Bengals organization was like before Lewis arrived. it was like a steaming piece of poo.

:poop:

Tankus_Maximus
07-06-2007, 11:21 AM
it was like a steaming piece of poo.

:poop:

Now it's a steaming pile of poo WITH prison stripes.

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-06-2007, 11:48 AM
Actually, Forrest Gregg and Bill "Tiger" Johnson both finished their careers with the Bengals with winning records.



You say this like the Bengals weren't the laughing stock of the league before Marvin Lewis arrived. The Bengals already were fodder for late night comic monlogues all through the 90's. Losing was a culture before Marvin Lewis arrived in Cincinnati. Sure, there have been some bumps lately with all of the player arrests and hopefully these issues will be avoided in the future. But you obviously don't understand exactly what the Bengals organization was like before Lewis arrived.

actually.... as a coach Forrest Gregg finished his career at 75 wins/ 85 losses/and 1 tie (not a winning record)...and had one winning season with Cincy...but to be accurate, with the Bengals he ended up 28-25 .. before they realized one winning record in four seasons was a BAD THING

William Levi Johnson, Sr was indeed 18-15 with the Benglas but was only a coach for 2 1/2 years after Brown retired and quickly took a winning team his first year, to the bottom of the AFC central (with one winning season before they crap-canned him...hmmmm)

...and yep...I remember when the Bengals where just pathetic (with their ownership not wanting to even buy towells big enough to wrap around the players when they came out of the showers)...instead of pathetic and a caricature of what is wrong with sports.

The Duke
07-06-2007, 12:27 PM
Well if Marvin is fired after this season(:sofunny::flap:) maybe the bungles will bring a sheriff to lead the team.

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-06-2007, 01:12 PM
Well if Marvin is fired after this season(:sofunny::flap:) maybe the bungles will bring a sheriff to lead the team.

Bengals Head Coach for the 2008-2009 season....http://www.sierratimes.com/03/images/joearpaio.jpg


Coach Joe Arpaio...I LOVE IT!!!!

stillers4me
07-06-2007, 01:22 PM
:bowdown: Seems like the only ones Marvin is fooling is the Bungals fans.........around here in Cinci the man walks on water.

revefsreleets
07-06-2007, 04:14 PM
Del Rio- Needs a consistent and constant QB before a verdict can be reached. Good defense and easy schedules have helped them overachieve which puts extra pressure on the coach.

Coughlin- Guy is in NY. If you don't win in NY, then you either need to quit after a couple years like Parcells so you can maintain your mystique or you'll be fired.

Lewis- This guy lost control of his team, and they didn't fire him. He hasn't won anything of any consequence and they didn't fire him. Why would they fire him now?

Gruden- Tampa doesn't have a real QB. Is that his fault or not? If management decides it is, he's expendable.

Fisher- I don't know. This guy is a lot like Cowher but he only got close once, and his teams are nowhere near as consistent as the Steelers.

Brian Billick- He's not going anywhere

Romeo Crennel- He is going to have an offensive line this year, and no Browns coach has had that since the 80's. The QB play should be better, too. If this team improves like it should his job is safe.

Herman Edwards- KC is a mess, and it's hard to lump all the blame on him.

Brad Childress- I don't know, what kind of expectation can you place on the Vikings? Don't suck bad or we'll fire you?