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Livinginthe past
07-08-2007, 10:17 PM
My question to you guys is pretty simple - why aren't the Steelers getting any love from todays media?

From the recent all-time LBer corps rankings to the placement of the Rooneys as the 9th best owners in the league the Steelers often appear to get a raw deal.

Its surely not just a case of big market teams being media favorites is it?

The Saints LBer that beat the Steelers to the No.1 place aren't exactly big market.

So what is it?

What are your theories?

fansince'76
07-08-2007, 10:20 PM
I have always tried not to buy too much into the "media disrespect" card. Besides, we admittedly have huge question marks going into this season, and I personally prefer that we're "under the radar."

Livinginthe past
07-08-2007, 10:36 PM
I have always tried not to buy too much into the "media disrespect" card. Besides, we admittedly have huge question marks going into this season, and I personally prefer that we're "under the radar."

I don't mean just in terms of the rankings going into this year - you can't argue too much when you've just posted an 8-8 season.

It just seemed that Pittsburgh has been a contender for a long while but it seems like they haven't gotten a great deal of respect for it over the last 6/7 years.

fansince'76
07-08-2007, 10:42 PM
I don't mean just in terms of the rankings going into this year - you can't argue too much when you've just posted an 8-8 season.

It just seemed that Pittsburgh has been a contender for a long while but it seems like they haven't gotten a great deal of respect for it over the last 6/7 years.

It seems to me there is a faction of every fanbase that thinks their team is intentionally slighted by the media. I don't really care enough about the opinions of sportswriters and talking heads for it to be all that big a deal to me.

tony hipchest
07-08-2007, 10:42 PM
i think the whole disrespect thing is more for underdog teams like the patriots who need it for motivation, and offseason fodder for the fans. nobody really cares or gets too bent out of shape about what prisco thinks, right?

chuck noll always had a theory on players who werent self motivated and luckily i think tomlin has the same theory.

the steelers were 8-8 last year so they are getting an 8-8 level of "respect". im not one for bashing the media but everyone knows the rooneys are better than the 9th best owners, and im sure nfl network realizes they cant turn it into steelers network if they wanna stay in business (hence the saints getting #1 lb unit)

i already called who i think will get the #1 DL rankings on the nfl networks next ranking show. i dont think it will be the greatest of all time steelers, and i think the honors will go to a team who never even won a champ.

the steelers are regarded as the greatest team and dynasty of all time. the current "disrespect" is just perception. nothing would "sell" if it were the "steelers are/were the gratest" 24/7.

HometownGal
07-08-2007, 11:00 PM
My theory is - who gives a rat's rump what a bunch of four-eyed crap shooters think? At the start of the season, every team is at the gate and has the same record. What really matters is who is at the finishing line and hoists that Lombardi. The Steelers have an enormous world-wide fan base - I think the respect factor well speaks for itself. :tt02:

FastWillieParker39
07-08-2007, 11:35 PM
I have learned to not care. Doesn't matter who the Steelers bring back or how good they were last year, they will not get the type of respect they deserve.

Now I understand why some feel we will not be in the playoffs this year, but 3rd in the division? Nuh uh, no way, we're the Steelers and we might not make the playoffs but we will atleast contend to.

tony hipchest
07-08-2007, 11:43 PM
My theory is - who gives a rat's rump what a bunch of four-eyed crap shooters think? At the start of the season, every team is at the gate and has the same record. What really matters is who is at the finishing line and hoists that Lombardi. The Steelers have an enormous world-wide fan base - I think the respect factor well speaks for itself. :tt02:great point. ultimately i guess it depends on where all this "disrespect" is coming from. im not too concerned about the opinions of some writers on an internet website who never had anything to do with the game other than writing for an internet website.

i guess it depends on the source. i tend to get the most of my information from the nfl's official radio station on sirius where credibility and reputability is #1. with knowledgable and experienced commentators such as kirwan, brandt, wilcots, ryan, cross, miller, banks, et al. ive never felt the steelers were disrespecte by those who matter. ive recently heard interview from j. green, f. harris, m. blount, and r. blier on their HOF thursday segments and the steelers definitely arent being under represented or disrespected.

imo the mainstream media has an obligation to its mainstream audience to repot on the p. mannings, l. tomlinsons, and r. moss's of the world, and i have had no problem when the d. marinos and w. paytons were heavilly covered in the past.

if you wanna talk about respect, just look at the career and nich somebody like terry bradshaw was able to carve out for himself. he possibly could be the highest paid "talking head/ analyst" out there. none of that would be possible were he not a steeler.

in all reality, the steelers are probably one of the most respected sports franchises out there.

83-Steelers-43
07-09-2007, 03:05 AM
It just seemed that Pittsburgh has been a contender for a long while but it seems like they haven't gotten a great deal of respect for it over the last 6/7 years.

I think we received as much respect as one can receive for a team who had a history under Cowher of making the playoffs and not getting it done. There was always that......"The Steelers will be good this year, but.....". Personally, I can't blame the media for having that opinion heading into every season. After Cowhers third AFC Championship game loss I'm not exactly sure what one would have expected the media's opinion to be.

Up to this point I've heard the media is hating on us and in other circles I'm hearing that they are giving up praise and respect. It seems to me that there are some who feel we will bounce back and others who feel we will not bounce back. Big deal. Let them praise the big markets and have fun writing about what T.O. is going to say next or how Eli's two will drop eventually.

As I've stated before. I do not care what the talking heads at ESPN or SI have to say about our team. I take the good with the bad. I realize that not every article printed pertaining to the Steelers is going to be positive nor are they all going to be negative. I read them for amusement purposes, nothing more. I feel the whole media conspiracy cry is old and laughable.

Bottomline in my book, I'm concerned about what happens on Sunday in between the months of August and December than I am with what some talking head at ESPN or SI has to say (positive or negative) about our team.

Preacher
07-09-2007, 03:28 AM
Look at the teams that get picked... they are either 1. big market teams or 2.. teams that make the noise. or 3. Are flashy teams.

Steelers are not a big market team... and don't make offseason noise. They are also not flashy.

Bengals... lots of flash.. puts up big numbers... but can't stop the run and have really done nothing. Colts... until last year, they were the same way. So they both continually got and get rated high (Colts deserve it this year and last).

Then, you also have names. Where is T.O.? Where is this person or that person? thier team MUST be good.

It isn't a bias against the Steelers... it is just that they don't draw attention to themselves...

For that I am actually glad.

PalmerSteel
07-09-2007, 04:06 AM
Look at the teams that get picked... they are either 1. big market teams or 2.. teams that make the noise. or 3. Are flashy teams.

Steelers are not a big market team... and don't make offseason noise. They are also not flashy.

Bengals... lots of flash.. puts up big numbers... but can't stop the run and have really done nothing. Colts... until last year, they were the same way. So they both continually got and get rated high (Colts deserve it this year and last).

Then, you also have names. Where is T.O.? Where is this person or that person? thier team MUST be good.

It isn't a bias against the Steelers... it is just that they don't draw attention to themselves...

For that I am actually glad.

$$$. couldnt of said it better myself. :helmet:

Aussie_steeler
07-09-2007, 06:23 AM
The true measure of respect comes from your opposition.

When an opposing team looks at their schedule and sees that one of their opponents for the next season is the Steelers, you know that they treat that game with extreme respect.

When they look at the schedule and see that they dont have the steelers that year they breath a sigh of relief.

If the players give 100% and represent the steelers with pride and passion then they will always have my respect.

Mosca
07-09-2007, 07:30 AM
I think there's no doubt that the Steelers of the '70s were SO good that there is media backlash; you can't pick them for EVERYTHING, or else no one will read. And as that team fades into the past, it doesn't seem to stand out so much from the '80s '49ers, the '90s Cowboys and the recent Patriots. But the '70s Steelers had to be seen to be believed. IMO, the only team since then to even come close to their level of excellence were the Joe Montana/Bill Walsh '49ers.

As far as the Steelers since then, IMO they have been OK, but we haven't really stood head and shoulders above the crowd like the Pats have over the last few years, like the Packers did recently, and like the Cowboys did in the '90s and '49ers did in the '80s. Medium love from the media seems about right to me.


Tom

Buzz05
07-09-2007, 07:54 AM
As far as the Steelers since then, IMO they have been OK, but we haven't really stood head and shoulders above the crowd like the Pats have over the last few years, like the Packers did recently, and like the Cowboys did in the '90s and '49ers did in the '80s. Medium love from the media seems about right to me.

I agree with that statement but I want to add one thing to it. If the Steelers of the 70's got the respect they deserved they everything would be Steelers and other fan bases would be neglected. The Steelers had the best everything right down to the best hot dog venders back then (or so Im told). So for THAT team to get the respect due...there would be a lot of other teams that would be forgotten about.

Besides the Steelers are always called 'the most stable franchise in all of sports.' Isnt that respect right there?

vasteeler
07-09-2007, 11:02 AM
it seams to me we are always being disrespeceted its no surprise to me
but the reasons why........you got me maybe its envy

ShutDown24
07-09-2007, 12:56 PM
It's the opposite reason of why your Patriots are getting too much undeserved attention this off-season. Team structure can either be in the mold of Dan Snyder or Dan Rooney, some teams have an in between approach but not many. The teams that make the most noise are those who follow in the footsteps of Snyder and his Redskins. They are the teams who go out and only want superstars, they sign them to huge deals and say "It's going to be different this time; he just needs a new environment to change his attitude problem." It almost never works out. But the point is, the teams that talk the most and pay the most get all of the attention. Look at last year; the Dolphins were picked to be Super Bowl champs before Culpepper even took a snap for them. Now where are they? No one here really cares about the lack of attention because fans in Pittsburgh have much more experience dealing with it than other cities. You sit there and listen to the Steelers get ignored year after year while un-worthy teams are hyped up... Then the Steelers make it to the playoffs, AFC championship game or even win it all before the 'experts' know what hit them. Meanwhile, the team that signed all of the big names is barley at .500 wondering what went wrong. It's not just a ports lesson but a life lesson, one that presents itself to us every day. The biggest, flashiest product isn't always the best or most successful.

The Duke
07-09-2007, 01:49 PM
My theory...They're jealous :smile:

charlie martel
07-10-2007, 12:28 PM
My theory...They're jealous :smile:

Agreed - particularly after the Superbowl two years ago when it was again confirmed that we are by far the most supported team nationwide (as it was for the '95 Superbowl in Arizona which was basically a home game for the Steelers despite the purported nationwide following of "America's Team").

revefsreleets
07-10-2007, 04:43 PM
Lot's of great answers, but I think it's mostly market size and star power (which is related to market size). I also think most Steelers fans don't care about stuff like this other than to make fun of it.

rbryan
07-10-2007, 05:19 PM
Cause the majority of these sniveling little media types are from NY,Boston,West Coast etc. They're all haters. Everybody knows where the bad boys play, and it's always been that way. Even when the Steelers didn't win they still kicked everybodies ass.

Its the same reason why a guy with a little dink probably doesn't like to watch pornos with his girlfriend. Envy.

You noticed I said probably, can't say for sure myself. lol

xXTheSteelKingsXx
07-10-2007, 06:57 PM
Cause the majority of these sniveling little media types are from NY,Boston,West Coast etc. They're all haters. Everybody knows where the bad boys play, and it's always been that way. Even when the Steelers didn't win they still kicked everybodies ass.

Its the same reason why a guy with a little dink probably doesn't like to watch pornos with his girlfriend. Envy.

You noticed I said probably, can't say for sure myself. lol

Ha. I like your example:sofunny:

RoethlisBURGHer
07-10-2007, 09:16 PM
I have gotten to the point where I don't care anymore.This isn't professional wrestling where everything is scripted,these guys don't choose who wins and loses every week so screw 'em.

I think we all know that the best defense ever was the Steel Curtain.Nobody compares to it,they just dominated every facet of the game.Teams couldn't pass on them,couldn't run on them.

Ben has never gotten any respect.His rookie year it was all "it's not him,it's the team" we heard from the media.However,does anyone think we would have amassed a 15-1 record and even reached the AFCCG under Turnover Tommy Maddox?Hell no,not on a zillion years.Even in the SB XL run,when Ben won us so many games,he got dissed.Somehow the running game and defense scored every single offensive touchdown in that glorious run.

Jerome Bettis doesn't seem to get much respect either,IMHO.He retired 5th in career yardage and finally got his ring.He overcame a Rams team that had labeled him lazy and non-caring.Not many teams would touch a player with that label.However,so many people say that he wasn't that good,his yards are from large amount of years in the league.However,for about his last 5 years,Cowher kept on trying to make him the backup.His carries kept on getting cut,and he still finished with 13,662 yards.If he didn't become a short yardage/goalline back his YPC average would have been in the fours instead of at 3.9.

My biggest beef is the disrespect the Rooneys get.They are top 3 owners,not #9.Dan Sneider has done nothing for the league but inflate salaries.They are labled as "cheap" because they cut guys like Joey Porter.The media says it's because they don't want to pay the guys they cut,but it's because they need to have enough cap room to sign thier rookies and make a big need FA signing or leave room to get a FA in case of injury.Not many teams have had the Steelers success in the salary cap era,and that's because they cut the players that someone else will overpay for.The top 3 owners in the NFL IMO are the Rooneys,Robert Kraft,and Jerry Jones...in no particular order.

Crushzilla
07-10-2007, 09:30 PM
Its the same reason why a guy with a little dink probably doesn't like to watch pornos with his girlfriend. Envy.

You noticed I said probably, can't say for sure myself. lol

Best analogy ever...

The Steelers haven't made many friends over the past few decades. The guys in the 70's were so brutal that they had to start making rules to protect people.

A lot of people, right there, were probably turned off while the Steel Curtain was taking their favorite team's heads...

Bottom line. Most non-Steelers fans would love to see them crash and burn.

Look at the Yankees this year. The Yankees are loved or hated. They come out this season and are bad. Not even really bad, but mediocre. Watch the sports shows... read the columns. No one could stop talking about how bad the Yankees were.

When the cat is away the mice will play. The Steelers appearing to be down and out opens the door for all the Brady fans, the Manning fans, all the fans of "the good guys" to have their moment.

Sports writers LOVE it when teams like the Steelers struggle and since they were down last year (Just like the Yankees, mediocre for the Steelers = apocalypse for these guys) a lot of the writers were more than happy to kick them.

I say we start the other hand with that 6th ring on the middle finger. The Steelers don't go away, they sure as hell don't have rebuilding years, and they are most dangerous when they come out of left field because everyone has sold them short.

This is gonna be a fun season.

SteelCityMan786
07-10-2007, 09:48 PM
My question to you guys is pretty simple - why aren't the Steelers getting any love from todays media?

From the recent all-time LBer corps rankings to the placement of the Rooneys as the 9th best owners in the league the Steelers often appear to get a raw deal.

Its surely not just a case of big market teams being media favorites is it?

The Saints LBer that beat the Steelers to the No.1 place aren't exactly big market.

So what is it?

What are your theories?

We're the they all love to hate.

Tankus_Maximus
07-11-2007, 10:17 AM
I don't mean just in terms of the rankings going into this year - you can't argue too much when you've just posted an 8-8 season.

It just seemed that Pittsburgh has been a contender for a long while but it seems like they haven't gotten a great deal of respect for it over the last 6/7 years.

IMO, I think alot of this had to do with (although I love the guy) Coach Cowher not being a great X's & O's guy. Hence the 2 losses to the Pats in the AFCG. Sure the guy could inspire his players to run through a brick wall, but lets face it...our offense was predictable, and our secondary had serious issues. And let's not forget Kordell as our starting QB, who was much more potent and lethal in a "Slash" role.

Not "hating" on the Black & Gold, just being objective.

SteelerWatch
07-11-2007, 01:04 PM
In defense of the NFL Network's ranking of the Saints' backers from the early 90's ahead of the Steelers (did I just say that?), I do have to say that they *did* send four 'backers to the Pro Bowl in one year. That's an amazing feat.

However, I think they had two truly amazing players and two guys who fed off that. The Steelers have been a linebacker factory since 1970. Be happy we were the only team to be represented twice in that ranking.

The only people who really tick me off for their Steeler bigotry are Sports Illustrated's SI.com football staff and Pete Prisco. Yes, Pete, you don't know jack about football.

Oh, and Bill Simmons' Tom Brady girlyman-loving makes me want to punch something. But that's a different subject.

HometownGal
07-11-2007, 05:20 PM
Best analogy ever...

The Steelers haven't made many friends over the past few decades. The guys in the 70's were so brutal that they had to start making rules to protect people.

A lot of people, right there, were probably turned off while the Steel Curtain was taking their favorite team's heads...

Bottom line. Most non-Steelers fans would love to see them crash and burn.

Look at the Yankees this year. The Yankees are loved or hated. They come out this season and are bad. Not even really bad, but mediocre. Watch the sports shows... read the columns. No one could stop talking about how bad the Yankees were.

When the cat is away the mice will play. The Steelers appearing to be down and out opens the door for all the Brady fans, the Manning fans, all the fans of "the good guys" to have their moment.

Sports writers LOVE it when teams like the Steelers struggle and since they were down last year (Just like the Yankees, mediocre for the Steelers = apocalypse for these guys) a lot of the writers were more than happy to kick them.

I say we start the other hand with that 6th ring on the middle finger. The Steelers don't go away, they sure as hell don't have rebuilding years, and they are most dangerous when they come out of left field because everyone has sold them short.

This is gonna be a fun season.

What a well written post! :cheers:

I say we start the other hand with that 6th ring on the middle finger.

Bwa ha ha!!!! I couldn't agree with you more! :banana: :tt02:

xXTheSteelKingsXx
07-11-2007, 07:53 PM
I say we start the other hand with that 6th ring on the middle finger.

Sounds like a fine idea to me:tt02:

steveironcity
07-12-2007, 05:32 PM
My question to you guys is pretty simple - why aren't the Steelers getting any love from todays media?

From the recent all-time LBer corps rankings to the placement of the Rooneys as the 9th best owners in the league the Steelers often appear to get a raw deal.

Its surely not just a case of big market teams being media favorites is it?

The Saints LBer that beat the Steelers to the No.1 place aren't exactly big market.

So what is it?

What are your theories?

Because we dont have a metrosexual Quarterback

SteelerWatch
07-12-2007, 07:07 PM
Because we dont have a metrosexual Quarterback

The middle finger stuff was funny, but you just took over the lead in the Funniest Wisecrack of the Post award race with that one. The first thing I thought of was Carson Palmer, then Tom Brady.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
07-12-2007, 07:51 PM
The middle finger stuff was funny, but you just took over the lead in the Funniest Wisecrack of the Post award race with that one. The first thing I thought of was Carson Palmer, then Tom Brady.

I thought of Quinn

SteelerWatch
07-12-2007, 08:56 PM
I thought of Quinn

There's nothing "metro" about that creature. There are other words that come to mind, but I fear being kicked off this board for saying them.

ironcityben
07-15-2007, 04:25 PM
think the steelers get no respect ,I`ll bet the Browns get even less then anybody!

SteelerWatch
07-15-2007, 06:06 PM
Yes, but the disrespect they receive is earned :banana::chicken:

Stlrs4Life
07-15-2007, 06:27 PM
Jealousy, is all I think it is.