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Indy_Steelers
07-16-2007, 06:42 AM
I am looking for Steelers who did not play on the 70s dynasty team that will be in the HOF like:

Rod Woodson
Jerome Bettis
Dermonti Dawson

I have no doubt the they will make it.
Dawson is eligible now and just missed getting this year.
Jerome will not be eligible for 4 more years.
Rod has 2 or 3 years to wait I think.

Will Hines Ward, Greg Lloyd or Kevin Greene make it?

Am I forgetting anyone?

section514
07-16-2007, 07:15 AM
lloyd and greene will not make it, hines ward is a lock once he takes the all time steeler WR receptions or yards i can't remember what he is close to getting.

19ward86
07-16-2007, 10:06 AM
hines is already the leader of receptions but need around 200 yards to become the yards leader. he isnt a lock in my eyes until he gets a few more 10+ touchdown and 1000+yard seasons under his belt. he says he will retire once he hits 10,000 yards and now he is stading around 7500-8000 i think.

lamberts-lost-tooth
07-16-2007, 11:07 AM
hines is already the leader of receptions but need around 200 yards to become the yards leader. he isnt a lock in my eyes until he gets a few more 10+ touchdown and 1000+yard seasons under his belt. he says he will retire once he hits 10,000 yards and now he is stading around 7500-8000 i think.

actually he needs 721 yards....but your point is still valid

Bettis and Woodson are locks...and Dawson is deserving and will probably be in.

Other than that ...Faneca is also a possibility...and we have some on the bubble who might get in with the proper "PR"...such as Lake.

steelpride12
07-16-2007, 11:07 AM
ya Ward will def. no doubt make it but prob. not Lloyd and greene.

ChronoCross
07-16-2007, 11:49 AM
Ward is setting at 8005 Yards Receiving, 718 yards short of Stallworth.
Ward can break into the top 10 with receptions if he gets 203 more.
Ward if he hangs around long enough and gets 4780 Receiving Yards he could break into the Top 10 there to.

Pretty sure Ward gets the 719 Yards this season to break Stallworth Steelers Record, which also breaks him into the top 50 and puts him at 48 and pushes Stallworth down to 49.

Ward barring any injuries and if he hangs around long enough will be pushing himself up the leader board in several areas of the top 50.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
07-16-2007, 12:03 PM
I dont think Ward is a lock yet but I think he will be in 4 or 5 more seasons. Faneca will probably make the Hall of Fame and mabey Peezy(I know he's not a Steeler anymore) if he elivates his play from last season for the next five or so.

SteelCityMan786
07-16-2007, 12:13 PM
lloyd and greene will not make it, hines ward is a lock once he takes the all time steeler WR receptions or yards i can't remember what he is close to getting.

lloyd and greene at this pace won't get in because of they're getting voted down every year.

dhosmer
07-16-2007, 12:17 PM
lloyd and greene will not make it, hines ward is a lock once he takes the all time steeler WR receptions or yards i can't remember what he is close to getting.

i agree about lloyd but i think greene will get the nod. he's the 3rd on the list of all time career sacks with 160 and 1st on the list of all time career sacks for a linebacker. I can't see him getting left out.

tony hipchest
07-16-2007, 12:22 PM
i see 2 people who seem positive kevin greene will not make it? you all know who kevin green is right? he may not go in as a steeler but he was only 1 of the 2 most dominant linebackers of his era.


-In 1988 Greene led Rams with 16-1/2 sacks which was 2nd in the NFL behind Reggie White

-All-Pro team in 1989 as well as The Sporting News (TSN) All-Pro Team and the Pro Bowl in 1989 with his second consecutuve season of 16-1/2 sacks (4th in the NFL)

-His 13 sacks (tied for 6th in the NFL) in 1990 gave him 46 sacks for that three-year period, the most of any player.

-In 1993 he went to the Pittsburgh Steelers, where had had another solid season with 12-1/2 sacks which tied him for 7th in the league leadership of that stat

-Greene was consensus All-Pro in 1994 by AP, PFWA, NEA, TSN while leading the NFL in sacks and where he made another appearance in the Pro Bowl.

-In 1995 he went to his third Pro Bowl and also played in Super Bowl XXX,

-In 1996 he was named the NFC Linebacker of the Year and received the NEA Defensive Player of the Year Award. In addition the NFL Alumni voted Greene the NFL Linebacker of the Year Award. He was also voted the NFC Player of the Year by the Washington D.C. Touchdown Club. Additionally, he set an NFL record with 5 consecutive multi-sack games and finished leading the NFL in sacks for the second time in three years with 14-1/2

-In 1998 he was repeated his honor of being named NFC Linebacker of the year by the NFLPA. Greene was named to the Pro Bowl after the 1998 season bringing his Pro Bowl total to five. Greene was tied for third in the NFL for sacks, after Michael Sinclair (16.5 sacks), Reggie White (16 sacks), and tied with Michael Strahan who each totaled 15 sacks.

-He retired after the 1999 season where he had 12 sacks (7th in the NFL) as a 4-3 outside linebacker and as a five-time Pro Bowler

-NFL's third all-time sack leader with 160, behind only Bruce Smith and Reggie White.

-He also leads all NFL linebackers in career sacks ahead of players like Lawrence Taylor, Derrick Thomas, Rickey Jackson, and Andre Tippett.

- Greene is one of only 4 players to lead the NFL in sacks in multiple seasons ('94 with the Steelers and '96 with the Panthers)

- Greene is also tied for second in career safeties with three.

- He also ranked third all time in fumble recoveries with 26, which he returned for 136 yards and 2 touchdowns.

- He is one of three players to record 10 sacks a year for 10+ years. He averaged over 10 sacks a year for 15 seasons.

- Eight times he was among the NFL's Top 10 sackers, leading the NFL twice

-Eleven times in his 15 years he led his club in sacks

-Played in six conference championships in his 15 seasons. geez guys, hes as close to a sure fire 1st ballot hall of famer you can get. no reason he should be snubbed. i guess its because he wasnt a crack addict :hunch:

onthebus36
07-16-2007, 12:45 PM
I think Kevin Greene will get in but I'm not sure he gets in as a Steeler. He left with some pretty hard feeling.

And I wouldn't count Woodson as a lock either. He won his Super Bowl ring as a Raven. I think he considers himself a Steeler but you never know.

MACH1
07-16-2007, 12:50 PM
Possibly Carnell Lake?

I seen on nfl network a while ago and they were talking about future hof inductees. They were saying it would be hard for too many more steelers making it in, with the acception of woodson and bettis, because there were to already to many steelers in from the 4 sb. teams. :dang:
But what the hell do they know.

tony hipchest
07-16-2007, 12:53 PM
I think Kevin Greene will get in but I'm not sure he gets in as a Steeler. He left with some pretty hard feeling.

And I wouldn't count Woodson as a lock either. He won his Super Bowl ring as a Raven. I think he considers himself a Steeler but you never know.woodsons on the record saying he will go in as a steeler. green cut his teeth and had the most years with the rams but he could honor the panthers and be the 1st to carry their jersey into the hall. thats my guess.

onthebus36
07-16-2007, 01:02 PM
woodsons on the record saying he will go in as a steeler.

Good. That's what I figured.

One thing to for everyone to remember about the Hall of Fame is that it's called "Hall of Fame" for a reason. It's not the "Hall of Skill" or the "Hall of Being a Great Football Player." There are guys in the HOF whose numbers pale to some of the guys who aren't.

The Duke
07-16-2007, 01:22 PM
What about Cowher?

ChronoCross
07-16-2007, 01:24 PM
What about Cowher?

With the SB win and that jump over the hump, Locked Cowher in the HoF.

OneForTheToe
07-16-2007, 01:41 PM
tony hipchest convinced me of Greene's worthiness the last time this subject came up. So along with Greene, I would say Woodson, bettis and Dawson all get in (eventually). I don't think Hines will get into the Hall. There are just too many receivers piling up huge numbers for Hines to make it. The fact that he will be the all time leader in Pittsburgh is impressive, but hardly guarantees him a spot among voters. I hope he makes it, but I will be surprised.

SteelersTilIDie
07-16-2007, 01:46 PM
it is possible for hines to make it, now that he has several pro bowls, an awesome resume so far, and a super bowl mvp. Greg Lloyd was great for a lot of yeares and has a good shot i think. kevin greene had a great career before he joined the steelers also, so i think he will make it. definitely dawson, woodson, and bettis too though

HometownGal
07-16-2007, 01:51 PM
Woodson, Bettis and Hines, imho, are all locks. Unfortunately, though - Woodson won't go in as a Steeler no matter how much he wants to - the last team he played for was the Barf-A-More Rats. Bettis needed that SB ring to insure his place in the HOF and he got that insurance policy!

(Does anyone still miss The Bus? I don't think I've ever missed a player so much)

ChronoCross
07-16-2007, 01:59 PM
If hines puts in another 3 to 4 years, I think he will be a lock then. He has several cats were he will then rank in the top 10, plus he has 4 pro bowls and could easily be in another 3 to 4. And if we could take in another couple SBs in that time frame would surely help him.

ChronoCross
07-16-2007, 02:01 PM
Woodson, Bettis and Hines, imho, are all locks. Unfortunately, though - Woodson won't go in as a Steeler no matter how much he wants to - the last team he played for was the Barf-A-More Rats. Bettis needed that SB ring to insure his place in the HOF and he got that insurance policy!

(Does anyone still miss The Bus? I don't think I've ever missed a player so much)

Well if Woodson wants to retire as a Steeler as some other players have done in the past they just sign with the team they want to retire with for a day and thats all it takes.

RoethlisBURGHer
07-16-2007, 03:40 PM
Locks:

Rod Woodson (wants to go in as a Steeler,but might end up as a Ratbird)
Jerome Bettis (He was a lock before winning the Super Bowl)
Bill Cowher (could go in with another team possibly if he ever coaches again)
Kevin Greene (though he could go in as a Ram or Panther)
Alan Faneca (will go in as a Steeler even if he plays elswhere)
Dermonti Dawson (Best offensive center of his era,second best on the Steelers to "Iron" Mike)

Possibly:

Hines Ward- If he has 4 or more season with about 65 catches and 1000 yards he'll be a lock.If not,he'll at least be a member of the Steelers Hall of Fame.Another Super Bowl or two would be a huge help.

Casey Hampton- He's been one of the most dominant nosetackles since coming on the scene.I don't see why he wouldn't get in if his career kept going the way it has.

Troy Polamalu- Any sane person knows he's a top 3 saftey in the NFL,probally #2 behind Ed Reed.He's the type of player the other team's OC gameplans for because you never know what he'll do after lining up.As long as he doesn't sustain any major injuries,he'll end up in the HoF,probally as a Steeler.

Ben Roethlisberger- Youngest QB to win the Super Bowl.Set all kinds of rookie records.As long as last year proves to be an abberation and not the norm,there is no reason to think he won't get in.Especially with another Super Bowl or two,or three,or four,or however many he can win.An Super Bowl MVP would seal the deal as long as he doesn't have many season like 2006.

Willie Parker- He has rushed for 1,000+ yards in his first two seasons as a starter.There is no reason to think he won't put up those kinds of numbers on a yearly basis.He has also shown he can handle goalline situations,so there is no reason to take him out once we get inside the opponents 20 yard line.I can see a Super Bowl MVP in his future as long as we get to another one or two.

MACH1
07-16-2007, 04:53 PM
Well if Woodson wants to retire as a Steeler as some other players have done in the past they just sign with the team they want to retire with for a day and thats all it takes.

Yep, thats what jerry rice did with the niners. Its a one day contract.

tony hipchest
07-16-2007, 05:10 PM
does anyone know for sure if its the nfl or the player who decides what team they go in as? i always thought it was the player but maybe i was thinking of baseball where a player can literally try and auction off that right to a team they played 1 year for. (for some reason im thinking of fred mcgriff threatenning to go into the hall as a devil ray).

if the nfl does decide i cant see why rod didnt sign a 1 day contract. i know it isnt because the rooneys are to cheap to spend $1 for another jersey in the inevitable steelers wing of the hall.

if the nfl decides you can almost bet the nfl will start an affirmative action program to get the 1st raven in there with rod and the 1st panther in there with kevin green. i wonder if they will try to cram jimmy smith or fred taylor through the doors for the jaguars.

MACH1
07-16-2007, 05:50 PM
does anyone know for sure if its the nfl or the player who decides what team they go in as? i always thought it was the player but maybe i was thinking of baseball where a player can literally try and auction off that right to a team they played 1 year for. (for some reason im thinking of fred mcgriff threatenning to go into the hall as a devil ray).

if the nfl does decide i cant see why rod didnt sign a 1 day contract. i know it isnt because the rooneys are to cheap to spend $1 for another jersey in the inevitable steelers wing of the hall.

if the nfl decides you can almost bet the nfl will start an affirmative action program to get the 1st raven in there with rod and the 1st panther in there with kevin green. i wonder if they will try to cram jimmy smith or fred taylor through the doors for the jaguars.

I'm not real sure who decides, I think its the player or they can request a team they played for. I know rice wanted to retire with the niners thats why the one day contract, and his one day is/was at one of their home games.

revefsreleets
07-16-2007, 06:06 PM
I posted this at another thread about Steelers HOF players.

I don't expect to see anymore 70's players, but Dirt Dawson not being a unanimous first ballot selection baffles me, and him not being selected at all almost makes me think there is some kind of anti-Steelers backlash from having so many players selected in a relatively short period of time. Woodson should be a first ballot unanimous vote, and he goes in as a Steeler. Bettis also deserves the same honor. Greene will never get in if Dawson doesn't.

clevestinks
07-16-2007, 07:29 PM
I would like to see LC Greenwoos in!

Another Steeler is Gary Anderson, I`m sure he`ll get in eventually!

Crushzilla
07-16-2007, 07:44 PM
if the nfl decides you can almost bet the nfl will start an affirmative action program to get the 1st raven in there with rod and the 1st panther in there with kevin green. i wonder if they will try to cram jimmy smith or fred taylor through the doors for the jaguars.

Agreed. The NFL has already shown that they do not want the Hall to be saturated by too much of one team, as seen with L.C's snub. It may just be that they don't want anymore of the dynasty Steelers, but they trend could, unfortunately, be for overall players.

If the NFL wants to keep things balanced then Ward can probably kiss his chances goodbye. It would also mean Rod the Ratbird.

Greene could go in with another francise and I'd be alright with it, but the Woodson/Steeler snub would really get under my skin...

Jerome is a no doubter in Black and Gold, but Dawson needs to get in soon, before his chances pass him by.

Who is going to be eligible this year? If its a weak class, Dawson should get in.

Woodson is '09, by the way.. I don't know if anyone answered that question.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
07-16-2007, 08:33 PM
This disturbs me that the NFL can keep deserving players out of the HOF because there are too many players from one team. Thats rediculous.

paw-n-maul-u
07-17-2007, 10:57 PM
i see 2 people who seem positive kevin greene will not make it? you all know who kevin green is right? he may not go in as a steeler but he was only 1 of the 2 most dominant linebackers of his era.

geez guys, hes as close to a sure fire 1st ballot hall of famer you can get. no reason he should be snubbed. i guess its because he wasnt a crack addict :hunch:

seriously ... kevin greene was one of the baddest MoFo's to ever suit up in the black and gold. Anyone remember that carolina(he was playing FOR carolina then) game where I think it might have been his LB coach get in his face and Green basically tossed him, oh I'd say a good 10 Ft. backwards. He sure was an emotional guy. One of my favorites of all time. The Hair was awesome.

Indy_Steelers
07-18-2007, 06:59 AM
does anyone know for sure if its the NFL or the player who decides what team they go in as? i always thought it was the player but maybe i was thinking of baseball where a player can literally try and auction off that right to a team they played 1 year for. (for some reason I'm thinking of fred mcgriff threatening to go into the hall as a devil ray).

if the NFL does decide i cant see why rod didn't sign a 1 day contract. i know it isn't because the rooneys are to cheap to spend $1 for another jersey in the inevitable steelers wing of the hall.

if the NFL decides you can almost bet the NFL will start an affirmative action program to get the 1st raven in there with rod and the 1st panther in there with kevin green. i wonder if they will try to cram jimmy smith or fred taylor through the doors for the jaguars.

I think the players decide. I will ask on my visit to the HOF in 17 days.:tt02:
I would think that if Rod did a one day thing it might push back his eligibility.
To my understanding, the Steelers did try this with Rod when Tom Donohue was still there but Donohue would not do it.

revefsreleets
07-18-2007, 04:55 PM
Greene has a couple of things working against him. First off, he was a little one-dimensional and really was a pass rushing specialist and his stats in other categories were pretty average. He also played in and era when there were a lot of good 3-4 LB's. He also played for a lot of teams and lacked the identifying team/player thing that you find in most HOF players. Does that mean he doesn't deserve to get in? Of course not. Will he get in? Probably not.

Carnell Lake, Donnie Shell, Dirt Dawson and Greene were all nominated a couple years ago, but only Dirt and Greene made the finalist list, and Lake and Shell fell off in '07. That doesn't bode well for Lake and Shell, and puts LC's chances at near nil.

ben2hines=6
07-19-2007, 07:31 PM
i dont think hines should even be in a discussion with HOF talks yet......he has never been the best reciever in the league in any of his years and if u take a quick look at his stat sheet it really isnt all that impressive when u start talking about a hall of fame caliber player, just my opinion but i think he's getting a little too much love fromthe fans here.....faneca will def. be up on some talks

The Duke
07-19-2007, 11:36 PM
If only the HOF wasn't all about stats, Hines does more than that, he blocks well, possibly the best in the league at that, he's tough as nails, he's a great leader, he does many more things than gaining yards and TDs, but well, that's how the Hall of Fame is...

Preacher
07-20-2007, 02:50 AM
tony hipchest convinced me of Greene's worthiness the last time this subject came up. So along with Greene, I would say Woodson, bettis and Dawson all get in (eventually). I don't think Hines will get into the Hall. There are just too many receivers piling up huge numbers for Hines to make it. The fact that he will be the all time leader in Pittsburgh is impressive, but hardly guarantees him a spot among voters. I hope he makes it, but I will be surprised.

Put Hines in two more SB's... MVP in one more... and he will absolutely make it.

If that doesn't happen, he needs a few more years with the same productivity he's averaged over the last four or five. At his age, that will be tough.

SCSteeler4Life
07-20-2007, 03:04 AM
It is up to the player how he goes in. Johnny Unitas did not play for the Colts his last season, Franco was a Seahawk when he retired Webster was a Chief and so on. It is up to the player.

rog
07-20-2007, 09:50 AM
I think Hines has a shot because of everything he can do it isn't allways just about the numbers. In my opinion his numbers mean a little more because of the way the Steelers play the game. The Steelers are a ground and pound team it's not like he has played in a wide open offense like '99 Rams or in the West Coast offense. Plus this guy is tough as nails...that's got to count for something.

Elvis
07-21-2007, 05:07 AM
I dont think Ward is a lock yet but I think he will be in 4 or 5 more seasons. Faneca will probably make the Hall of Fame and mabey Peezy(I know he's not a Steeler anymore) if he elivates his play from last season for the next five or so.
I dont see Faneca being a hall of famer. As far as Woodson Dawson and Bettis, I think that it is just a matter of time that all 3 will be in there, but Not Faneca no way!! By the way... Hines is alot more of a lock than Faneca ever will be..
:coffee:

yinzer-inseattle
07-21-2007, 06:12 PM
What about LeBeau? I know he's been on the edge of induction as a player and that still might happen. As a coordinator, I think he deserves consideration. If I had the time, I'd compile the stats for the teams he's led as DC. I'd imagine he's at the top of the list in terms of his defensive rankings/ production. I looked at the HOF website and there is no requirement for a coach to be a head coach for induction. If any coordinator ever deserved induction it's LeBeau. Not only has he produced some of the best defenses, he's influenced other coaches (on both sides of the ball). Plus he's in the top 5 in career interceptions all time.

It would be a shame for him to not to get in.

The Duke
07-21-2007, 06:45 PM
What about LeBeau? I know he's been on the edge of induction as a player and that still might happen. As a coordinator, I think he deserves consideration. If I had the time, I'd compile the stats for the teams he's led as DC. I'd imagine he's at the top of the list in terms of his defensive rankings/ production. I looked at the HOF website and there is no requirement for a coach to be a head coach for induction. If any coordinator ever deserved induction it's LeBeau. Not only has he produced some of the best defenses, he's influenced other coaches (on both sides of the ball). Plus he's in the top 5 in career interceptions all time.

It would be a shame for him to not to get in.

Yeah, LeBeau is a definit hall of famer, at least in to me, he's created some of the best defensive schemes ever and should get great recognition for that.
And now that you mention LeBeau, what about Dick Hoak?

xXTheSteelKingsXx
07-21-2007, 07:28 PM
Im gonna have to say LeBeau is going to the Hall also.

revefsreleets
07-22-2007, 01:56 PM
I think it's a real reach for Lebeau, mostly because he was a head coach and didn't have great success. I don't believe any coordinator has ever been enshrined, so, if he was somehow inducted, it would have to be as a contributor.

SteelerManiacXLII
07-22-2007, 04:32 PM
Lebeau should get in the Hall for sure. The man invented the zone blitz.

ben2hines=6
07-22-2007, 07:34 PM
dont see Faneca being a hall of famer. As far as Woodson Dawson and Bettis, I think that it is just a matter of time that all 3 will be in there, but Not Faneca no way!! By the way... Hines is alot more of a lock than Faneca ever will be..



what can u back that on??? faneca has made it to 6 straight pro bowls and has been all pro a couple of times...faneca has also argueably been the most dominant guard at one point in his career, hines has never been the best at his position ever along with only 3 pro bowls and only 4 1000 yard seasons

Preacher
07-23-2007, 12:21 AM
what can u back that on??? faneca has made it to 6 straight pro bowls and has been all pro a couple of times...faneca has also argueably been the most dominant guard at one point in his career, hines has never been the best at his position ever along with only 3 pro bowls and only 4 1000 yard seasons

Either one of them will have more a problem getting in... if what we have heard is true.... That Steeler players will have a hard time getting in because there are so many Steeler players in thier already from the 70's.