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Livinginthe past
07-17-2007, 10:11 AM
Couldn't think of a catchy 'tooth' pun for the title (TH or LLT will come up with something, I bet).

RL players are made of steel.

An Australian rugby league player competed for more than four months with an opponent's tooth buried in his head.

Former NRL prop Ben Czislowski needed stitches above his left eye after clashing heads with a rival on 1 April.

But Czislowski later suffered an eye infection and shooting pains until a doctor discovered the cause last week.

"I can laugh about it now but the doctor told me it could have been serious," said the 24-year-old, who now keeps the tooth on his bedside table.

Czislowski, who was playing for Brisbane team Wynnum when he clashed heads with Matt Austin, said he was prepared to mail the tooth back to its rightful owner but was holding onto it until then as proof of his bizarre injury.

Tweed Heads forward Austin lost several teeth in the incident and also broke his jaw.

In 2004, Widnes hooker Shane Millard also had an opponent's tooth removed from his head.

Two years earlier, Wigan's Jamie Ainscough's arm became so badly infected there were fears it would be amputated before the source - an imbedded tooth - was discovered.

tony hipchest
07-17-2007, 10:49 AM
Hey LLT, I found your tooth! How much did you say that reward was for?

Preacher
07-17-2007, 02:30 PM
I will tell you this much...

Rugby players are tough.... I doubt very much most of the NFL players could compete through a Rugby season... Part of that is that professional rugby players actually work real jobs as well (Except for the All-Blacks, I believe).

Aussie_steeler
07-18-2007, 06:41 AM
Over the past ten years most of the rugby league and rugby union players have become full time professionals earning over $100,000 (australian). The top elite players now earn between $500,000 and $1000000 including sponsorship and endorsements. This means that most players no longer work. Many players are being poached by English and French teams because they can offer higher contracts. (The guy in question with the tooth is a part time professional playing state league football )

With this trend we have seen a dramatic increase in antisocial behaviour and drug related problems. To counteract this trend the clubs are now sending young players back to university to study as well as making all their players participate in coaching clinics around the country. Players are also becoming more active in charity work and hospital visits.

Our society is becoming less tolerant of the drunken actions of these players.

These guys are tough, extremely tough in a different kind of way to NFL players.

A rugby game lasts for 80 minutes and you are only allowed a limited number of substitutions (around 10 in rugby league, dont quote me on that ,and unlimited substitution if you are bleeding) meaning over half your players have to play the full game. They dont have TV or coaching timeouts. The time only stops if the referee calls time off for injury. These guys weigh between 95 and 120 kilograms (220 and 260 pounds) and have unbelievable strength and aerobic fitness. If they are any heavier they are just to big slow and cumbersome to be useful. Everyone has to be extremely fit.

On PTI today I noticed Mike Wilbon refered to rugby players as 5' 8" 170pound midgets who are dwarfed by americans like himself ( he claimed his 6'3" 240lb stature made him more imposing) and are just Crocodile Dundee wannabees. If he ever faced an elite player head on he would wind up soiling himself before he was impaled.

I have played first grade rugby union and Aussie rules in country NSW and believe me, their is not a single SOFT guy out there. If you are wearing head gear or a protective guard it is like a red flag to a bull. Even the girls have teams in these football codes and they are equally as tough. A lot of Australians go to work on Mondays and Tuesdays very sore from the weekend footy.

The title of toughest of all Australian footballers belongs to the Aussie Rules players of Queenstown Tasmania who play on a gravel oval. Not grass or turf, but gravel.

"After the match, trainers move from player to player with a wire brush and a bottle of Friars Balsam. Stones are scraped from elbows and knees before disinfectant is applied. Some Queenstown players spend the entire season with weeping sores. No sooner does a scab look like healing than it sticks to the player's trouser leg. If the scab does survive until the next match, it's usually knocked off in the first quarter. No wonder the west coast of Tasmania is known for breeding tough footballers."

http://www.australianrules.com.au/2003stories/aussierulesgrounds.html

Having said all that I would have dearly loved to have put the pads and helmet on and lined up as a linebacker or strong safety and T-boned any running back / receiver who came my way. All football codes are tough and that is why we are drawn to them with the passion we all exhibit.

What would life be without football of some sort? Why we might as well be living in cleveland or cincinatti.

If any one wants some help with finding some quality information on league or union just drop me a message. Also NCsteeler is a proud rugby union fan and he helps a mate run a union forum site.

Here are some links that may interest a few

Rugby League http://www.nrl.com.au/

Rugby Union http://aru.rugby.com.au/

Aussie Rules http://www.afl.com.au/

Livinginthe past
07-18-2007, 08:29 AM
Thanks for a great post, Aussie!

There are alot of differences between the games - as you say rugby players have to have a wider range of physical and mental attributes.

That Wilbon sounds like a jerk, rugby players are getting bigger an stronger every year (with professionalism) - alot of those guys would grind him into the ground in a second.

You don't get many fat guys on the rugby field (stocky maybe) but NT's and 'space fillers' would have no chance of lasting 80 minutes in a rugby game - in fact 10 minutes would probably be too much.

Preacher
07-18-2007, 02:00 PM
I had no clue that Rugby players were starting to get paid that kind of money. I really don't like that, in my opinion, it takes away from the purity of the sport (in my opinion).

Man, I remember playing in college. We sent a person a game to the hospital. there were A LOT of knee surgeries, broken ribs, etc. However, it sure was fun.

Aussie_steeler
07-19-2007, 03:06 AM
Sorry to ruin it for you Preacher but union turned fully professional in the 90's. Too many players were leaving to play for money in rugby league. Rupert Murdoch threw heaps of money at union when he failed to buy out the australian rugby league.

Preachers post bring back fond memories of college union in Australia. We had three teams at our union club and the third grade team were known as the kites.

Before the game, at half time and after the game they would go back to their VW Kombi van to get high as Kites. They floated around the field and felt no pain. The best thing about rugby back then was everybody went back to the clubhouse and had a great time after with lots of singing and drinking.

In the late 80's and early 90's we could be playing first grade country rugby against guys that would get plucked out of obscurity and represent their state and then country. Those days are long gone. Talent is identified early and there are no longer any diamonds found in the rough.

Most small country towns still have either a rugby league, union or aussie rules team. The girls all play netball and the sport becomes the central focus of town life. Everybody lives for game day and during the week it is all we talk about. Almost identical to the lives of the diehard NFL fan. Towns still have fundraising committees to raise funds to bring better players to town so that they can win a premiership. They also offer packages that include employment, housing and transport.

The almighty dollar is infiltrating its way into all sports unfortunately.

LarryNJ
07-19-2007, 07:04 AM
Will the US Eagles win a game in the Rugby World Cup this year?

Livinginthe past
07-19-2007, 10:12 AM
Will the US Eagles win a game in the Rugby World Cup this year?

The simple answer is no - their best shot lies with the match up against Tonga who are only rated one place above them in the world rankings.

Though Tonga is only a small island, rugby is what they play whereas that particular sport falls a long way down the list for sporting athletes in the States.

I expect them to get whupped by both South Africa and England.

LarryNJ
07-19-2007, 11:21 AM
lol..Hopefully they can pull out a win and you're right SA & England will beat them by more than 50.

Go the Wallabies!

Preacher
07-19-2007, 01:38 PM
The simple answer is no - their best shot lies with the match up against Tonga who are only rated one place above them in the world rankings.

Though Tonga is only a small island, rugby is what they play whereas that particular sport falls a long way down the list for sporting athletes in the States.

I expect them to get whupped by both South Africa and England.

South Africa is (at least was) always a scary team. I remember when Apartheid finished and S.A. was allowed back into the world scene, there was talk that they would give the All blacks a very good game.

Unfortunetly, I have been out of the Rugby world for so long, I don't remember which one, union or the other, plays real rugby, and the other plays the sissy line em up rugby like thier all a bunch of pretty boy wanna be backs, instead of real Rugby players... (yep, I was a scrummy, can you tell?)!!

:sofunny::sofunny:

Livinginthe past
07-19-2007, 02:22 PM
South Africa is (at least was) always a scary team. I remember when Apartheid finished and S.A. was allowed back into the world scene, there was talk that they would give the All blacks a very good game.

Unfortunetly, I have been out of the Rugby world for so long, I don't remember which one, union or the other, plays real rugby, and the other plays the sissy line em up rugby like thier all a bunch of pretty boy wanna be backs, instead of real Rugby players... (yep, I was a scrummy, can you tell?)!!

:sofunny::sofunny:

Ha. Neither are pretty boys - or at least thats what i'd tell 'em to their face!

Rugby Union is 15-a-side and its played across the world (I think this is the one you like....better) - Rugby League is 13-a-side and there are only 3 teams of note in world terms - Australia, NZ and Great Britain - as much as it pains me to say it Australia are leagues above the rest in this form of the game.

The current Rugby Union World Cup Holders are England - which we won when it was held in Australia...against Australia in the final - which made it about a million times sweeter!

Our chances of repeating this year? Low.

Preacher
07-19-2007, 03:36 PM
Ha. Neither are pretty boys - or at least thats what i'd tell 'em to their face!

Rugby Union is 15-a-side and its played across the world (I think this is the one you like....better) - Rugby League is 13-a-side and there are only 3 teams of note in world terms - Australia, NZ and Great Britain - as much as it pains me to say it Australia are leagues above the rest in this form of the game.

The current Rugby Union World Cup Holders are England - which we won when it was held in Australia...against Australia in the final - which made it about a million times sweeter!

Our chances of repeating this year? Low.

Okay... If I remember right.. League was the one that actually doesn't do any rucking... rucking is World. Correct? And if I remember right, the Hong Kong sevens are actually world... or is HK sevens based on league?

Livinginthe past
07-19-2007, 05:16 PM
Okay... If I remember right.. League was the one that actually doesn't do any rucking... rucking is World. Correct? And if I remember right, the Hong Kong sevens are actually world... or is HK sevens based on league?

Yeah, you are quite right - there is no real competition for the ball in the league format - turnovers are rare.

Each team is only allowed to be tackled to the ground 5 or 6 times (I can't remember which) and then possesion goes to the other team - a little like American football its customary to kick (or punt) the ball away before the last tackle to maintain field position.

Sevens rugby is based on the union format - with, obviously, 7 players-a-side instead of 15 - the games are alot shorter in length though.

Preacher
07-19-2007, 05:21 PM
You are probably thinking of 'scrummaging' - where 8 guys from each team bind and the ball gets placed between them.

That is common place in Union and there is alot of advantage to being strong and technically sound in this area - in League its basically a simple re-start and there is rarely a serious battle for possession of the ball.

Sevens rugby is based on the union format - with, obviously, 7 players-a-side instead of 15 - the games are alot shorter in length though.

Actually, no. Scrums are seen in both union and league... I am talking about rucking... Where, when the ball carrier is tackled, both teams ruck over his head, using thier feet to steal or keep the ball, which has been put between the tackled player's knees and head as he (usually) lies in a fetal position). For the un-gentlemanly rugby player, that is the time he usually rakes the player in the ribs with the metal cleats. Both teams push, and when one team has control, they can choose to take the ball or keep rucking. At that point, it starts to resemble an unorganized scrum. It gets real fun when the ruck starts to be spun, and you see players from both sides break off and run back to the back so that no one is called offsides.

Livinginthe past
07-19-2007, 05:22 PM
Actually, no. Scrums are seen in both union and league... I am talking about rucking... Where, when the ball carrier is tackled, both teams ruck over his head, using thier feet to steal or keep the ball, which has been put between the tackled player's knees and head as he (usually) lies in a fetal position). For the un-gentlemanly rugby player, that is the time he usually rakes the player in the ribs with the metal cleats. Both teams push, and when one team has control, they can choose to take the ball or keep rucking. At that point, it starts to resemble an unorganized scrum. It gets real fun when the ruck starts to be spun, and you see players from both sides break off and run back to the back so that no one is called offsides.

Apologies - had a re-think about what you said at 60 seconds after i p[rssed post :toofunny:

Preacher
07-19-2007, 05:28 PM
Apologies - had a re-think about what you said at 60 seconds after i p[rssed post :toofunny:

Don't you hate it when that happens???

Preacher
07-19-2007, 05:29 PM
Yeah, you are quite right - there is no real competition for the ball in the league format - turnovers are rare.

Each team is only allowed to be tackled to the ground 5 or 6 times (I can't remember which) and then possesion goes to the other team - a little like American football its customary to kick (or punt) the ball away before the last tackle to maintain field position.

Sevens rugby is based on the union format - with, obviously, 7 players-a-side instead of 15 - the games are alot shorter in length though.

but the scissoring of the backs and support is beautiful at times... mainly because it is more organized.

Livinginthe past
07-19-2007, 05:30 PM
Don't you hate it when that happens???

Yeahhhhhhhh. :dang:

Aussie_steeler
07-20-2007, 06:46 AM
Big match in New Zealand tomorrow night. The All Blacks take on the Wallabies and the winner walks away with the two biggest trophies in southern hemisphere rugby, the Bledisloe cup (australia vs new zealand) and the tri-nations cup (australia, NZ and South Africa)

This will be the ultimate test of the All blacks ability to avoid wearing the CHOKERS tag into the world cup. If the Wallabies get a win I think it will really open the World cup up for sides like England and South Africa. If the All Blacks win I think they will take a lot of confidence with them and be strong favourites for the World cup.

GO THE WALLABIES!!!!!

It is also the Farewell Bledisloe cup test matches for two rugby legends in George Gregan and Stephen Larkham. End of a great era in world rugby. Should be a great game because everything is up for grabs.

Aussie_steeler
07-21-2007, 10:03 PM
The New Zealand all blacks looked awesome last night in the rugby against Australia. The Wallabies played extremely well but the All Black pack was dominant. They must now be short priced favourites to win the world cup. Daniel Carter their fly half was on fire with his kicking game.

South African rugby is in an interesting position after the South African Administration wanted to implement a quota system for black players. They wanted the world cup squad to contain 10 coloured players in the 30 man squad. The squad was picked last night with only six coloured players in the squad. Will be interesting to see what impact politics has in the lead up to the World Cup.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/21072007/3/surprises-south-africa-s-rugby-world-cup-squad.html

Rugby League has a six tackle rule. On the last tackle a team will either kick for the sidelines, kick for the ingoal area or take a risk and run the ball. Rugby league originated in the early 20th Century when the best players from the totally amateur rugby union code where signed to professional contracts to start the first Rugby League competition. Due to this split in the early 1900's there is a great deal of hatred between the two different codes of football. Now that Rugby union is totally professional revenge is being served up with some of the best League players being offered bigger contracts by the Union clubs. League has a salary cap whilst union does not.