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Jman
07-19-2007, 02:35 PM
Ed Bouchette's newest piece, "Tomlin expects all rookies at start of Steelers camp", say Tomlin plans on running 2-a-days in order to focus on special teams. Interesting. Anyone up for predictions about our STs?

HometownGal
07-19-2007, 02:57 PM
Too early to make predictions, but with new ST coaches, anything is possible.

Black@Gold Forever32
07-19-2007, 05:11 PM
The Steelers will be much improved on special teams this year...The drafting of Daniel Sepulveda alone improved the Steelers special teams...No more Gardocki and his weak leg.....lol

MACH1
07-19-2007, 06:29 PM
No fumbles would be a great improvement.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
07-19-2007, 06:36 PM
I just read this on Steelers.com and Iike the fact that he will have specific special teams practices. ST is what hurt us a lot last season.

revefsreleets
07-19-2007, 07:09 PM
I'd be willing to bet money that our special teams improve dramatically this year. The very fact that Tomlin is spending so much time on it makes it a lock, but the added fact that he's probably willing to put starters on the ST if necessary is the clincher.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
07-19-2007, 07:21 PM
I'd be willing to bet money that our special teams improve dramatically this year. The very fact that Tomlin is spending so much time on it makes it a lock, but the added fact that he's probably willing to put starters on the ST if necessary is the clincher.

Agreed. And I also read that Willie Reid is 100% which will definitly help the return game.

Crushzilla
07-19-2007, 07:35 PM
If he needs me, I'll be ready to go in. :helmet:

HometownGal and I can set up a good wedge.

Jman
07-19-2007, 08:04 PM
Noice!

Hmm...LoL...How about hopes instead of predictions?

I certainly hope we have improved STs this year - specifically down the field on punts and returns. I indeed hope we see some starters on special teams this year; besides Keisel the Diesel.

Daniel Sepulvada should be a great addition (he better be for the draft pick he took up). It is good to hear Reid will be ready. Hopefully, he can stay healthy and be a good returner.

Preacher
07-19-2007, 08:27 PM
The Steelers will be much improved on special teams this year...The drafting of Daniel Sepulveda alone improved the Steelers special teams...No more Gardocki and his weak leg.....lol

The first time he BOOMS one 60 plus yards... I'm waiting for the stadium to erupt!

Jman
07-19-2007, 08:42 PM
The first time he BOOMS one 60 plus yards... I'm waiting for the stadium to erupt!

:thumbsup: Absolutely

The Duke
07-20-2007, 12:52 AM
The first time he BOOMS one 60 plus yards... I'm waiting for the stadium to erupt!

Hope that happens a lot :tt02:

Black@Gold Forever32
07-20-2007, 01:01 AM
The first time he BOOMS one 60 plus yards... I'm waiting for the stadium to erupt!

:thumbsup:Heinz Field will go crazy....lol Plus just imagine if Sep runs down blasts the return man and causes a fumble....lol The guy can hit for a punter.......The only thing I'm 100 percent sure about this season is the Steelers special teams will be much improved....From the kicking game to the kick coverage and with a healthy Willie Reid the kick returning....

Preacher
07-20-2007, 03:40 AM
:thumbsup:Heinz Field will go crazy....lol Plus just imagine if Sep runs down blasts the return man and causes a fumble....lol The guy can hit for a punter.......The only thing I'm 100 percent sure about this season is the Steelers special teams will be much improved....From the kicking game to the kick coverage and with a healthy Willie Reid the kick returning....

Oh goodness I hope so.

Jman
07-20-2007, 09:36 AM
:thumbsup:Heinz Field will go crazy....lol Plus just imagine if Sep runs down blasts the return man and causes a fumble....lol The guy can hit for a punter...........

I almost forgot the size of this guy. Sep is a big guy (230 lbs) - it would be grand to see him cause a fumble.

I'm stoked. :helmet:

DACEB
07-20-2007, 10:01 AM
Agreed. And I also read that Willie Reid is 100% which will definitly help the return game.

That would be great, I think we are all anxious to see what the young man can do. I hope his foot problems are behind him, although I myself will only be convinced if he makes it all the way through training camp.

Jman
07-20-2007, 10:03 AM
Especially through the 2-a-days. Should be good times.

WorldBuilder
07-20-2007, 10:10 AM
Sep may be able to kick the crap out of the ball, but let's not bash Gardocki too much. The guy can plant a football on a nickel from 40 yards, and accuracy is as, if not more important than distance.

And punting wasn't our downfall last year. Coverage, lack of return distance, and fumbles were...

Chris

SCSTILLER
07-26-2007, 03:22 PM
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LATROBE - The Pittsburgh Steelers are putting so much emphasis on the "third phase" of football that one veteran sports reporter quipped Wednesday, "They'll have the NFL's best special teams but stink on offense and defense."

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That line drew chuckles among many media types watching practice. But special-teams play is no laughing matter to first-year coach Mike Tomlin.

That's why he hired not one but two special teams coaches.

That's why he's devoting seven one-hour morning practices during camp just for special teams.

And at every other practice, there's also a period or two assigned for the kicking game.

"We just want to give it it's just due," Tomlin explained. "Count the number of (special teams snaps) in a football game. That's why we're putting the time in now while we have the time."

Even though special teams aren't exactly one third of the game as so many coaches have traditionally said, Tomlin's point is well taken.

Last year, the Steelers' offense was on the field for 1,041 snaps.

The defense was on the field for 976.

The special teams - kickoff and punt coverage teams, kickoff and punt return teams, and the field goal and extra point units - took part in 407 plays.

That's only 16.7 percent of the plays.

Still, special teams often change the complexion of a game. Teams usually get a huge dose of momentum if they break a kickoff return or punt return for a touchdown. Conversely, a team can suffer a letdown if it allows a TD return.

Good or bad field position is based on how the special teams perform.

Last year while they stumbled to 8-8, sub-par special teams played a role in the Steelers' failure to make the playoffs just one year after winning the Super Bowl.

In most special-teams statistical categories, the Steelers finished in the lower half of the league's 32 teams:

Punting: 30th.

Kickoff coverage: 24th.

Punt returns: 20th.

Kickoff returns: 22nd.

Field goals made: Tied for 26th.

"You can't underestimate the importance of special teams," said Bob Ligashesky, the Steelers' special teams coach. "Just look at what special teams play did for the Chicago Bears last year. It allowed them to go to the next level (and advance to the Super Bowl).

"We want to have the same kind of special team success as the Bears did."

Last year, the Bears ranked 11th in punting, 11th in kickoff coverage, second in punt returns, eighth in kickoff returns and tied for first in field goals made.

"Special teams have always been important to this team," fullback Dan Kreider said after Wednesday morning's special teams practice. "But we never put in the amount of time that we're putting into it now."

It was Tomlin's decision when he was hired to replace Bill Cowher to give Ligashesky an assistant (Amos Jones).

It was also Tomlin's decision to schedule those seven morning practices geared toward special teams only.

It's also Tomlin's opinion that, if need be, there will be some starters playing on special teams.

"In terms of two (special teams) coaches, of course, multiple sets of eyes are better than one," he said. "Not only for what you do on the field but also for the development of game plans. Different ideas are great. Offensive staffs have staff meetings and develop game plans. Defensive staffs do the same thing. We want to recognize this as a legitimate phase of football and have multiple people who are specialists in that area to develop game plans.

"And yes, we will have starters on special teams. The reality is that starters will play on special teams. We have to be smart with the way we approach it, but there will definitely be times when starters are playing on special teams."

http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18628953&BRD=2305&PAG=461&dept_id=478568&rfi=6

Some pretty interesting facts about special teams. Hopefully we will improve, not like we can really get that much worse.

Preacher
07-26-2007, 05:19 PM
Beautiful... just beautiful...

What I really love... Is the crotchety reporters not knowing how to handle the change....

"They'll have the NFL's best special teams but stink on offense and defense."

yeah... Right.

Let me get this straight. There are 14 or 15 straight 2 a days... which seems to be too much work for some reporters... but then, some of those are devoted to special teams... which means that Tomlin is actually a softy.... but wait... he is not spending enough time on offense and defense (which is what the TRADITIONAL AFTERNOON PRACTICE is devoted too) and too much time on ST.... even though the afternoon practice has too much hitting and too much a grind... Yet... the other morning practices are traditional practices... which means that Tomlin will probably end up with 2 or 3 MORE practices then Cowher, with MORE hitting then Cowher had.

So, in other words, Tomlin is running a really tough camp that is too soft, a camp that has his offense and defense too physical and working too hard because we have a focus on special teams, a camp that may become reckless because Tomlin is a brilliant man that plans down to the t... Is that the gist of the press coverage?

I was just wondering.

You know... I am starting to wonder if we shouldn't have called one of the sports reporters as our coach!:tap::hunch:

fansince'76
07-26-2007, 05:24 PM
"Special teams have always been important to this team," fullback Dan Kreider said after Wednesday morning's special teams practice.

News to me. Seems they haven't been all that important, considering the piss-poor performance of our STs for a number of years now. 2001 AFCCG, anyone?

Preacher
07-26-2007, 05:26 PM
News to me. Seems they haven't been all that important, considering the piss-poor performance of our STs for a number of years now. 2001 AFCCG, anyone?

PLEASE don't bring it up... or the 2002 AFC div. playoff... Its good... time out called..... Its no good!! Offsides on US.. Its good... season over.

Jman
07-26-2007, 05:57 PM
... Hopefully we will improve, not like we can really get that much worse....

Tell me about it - truthfully, our special teams have been a cringing moment for me during games....

steelpride12
07-27-2007, 01:04 PM
Ya now Holmes needs to work on that fumble thing he likes to do.

SteelerWatch
07-27-2007, 01:37 PM
Think of this: special teams essentially lost the first game against the Bungles. We lost by a field goal to Atlanta. Add in the missed field goal and fumbled kickoff against Denver, and special teams could have taken us from 8-8 to 11-5. Four plays cost us three games, including two Santonio Holmes fumbles. Also consider that in most games, Gardocki averaged BARELY 40 yards per punt. And that Jeff Reed can't a field goal kick more than 50 yards or kick off well enough to get a touchback (he has oak trees for legs; the lack of power can only be explained by either his tendency to party, or possibly the aerodynamic drag caused by his hair).

Anyone think Sepulveda gets asked to handle kickoffs at some point?

Livinginthe past
07-27-2007, 01:53 PM
Think of this: special teams essentially lost the first game against the Bungles. We lost by a field goal to Atlanta. Add in the missed field goal and fumbled kickoff against Denver, and special teams could have taken us from 8-8 to 11-5. Four plays cost us three games, including two Santonio Holmes fumbles. Also consider that in most games, Gardocki averaged BARELY 40 yards per punt. And that Jeff Reed can't a field goal kick more than 50 yards or kick off well enough to get a touchback (he has oak trees for legs; the lack of power can only be explained by either his tendency to party, or possibly the aerodynamic drag caused by his hair).

Anyone think Sepulveda gets asked to handle kickoffs at some point?

Hey, Sepulveda could forearm smash the ball for a touchback.....

The Duke
07-27-2007, 02:05 PM
Anyone think Sepulveda gets asked to handle kickoffs at some point?

Hopefully

SteelDogFan
07-27-2007, 05:14 PM
I think Willie Reid is ready to boom. Recent article, he said he has been working hard. We know he has the talent he just needs to get on the field.

Preacher
07-27-2007, 05:26 PM
Think of this: special teams essentially lost the first game against the Bungles. We lost by a field goal to Atlanta. Add in the missed field goal and fumbled kickoff against Denver, and special teams could have taken us from 8-8 to 11-5. Four plays cost us three games, including two Santonio Holmes fumbles. Also consider that in most games, Gardocki averaged BARELY 40 yards per punt. And that Jeff Reed can't a field goal kick more than 50 yards or kick off well enough to get a touchback (he has oak trees for legs; the lack of power can only be explained by either his tendency to party, or possibly the aerodynamic drag caused by his hair).

Anyone think Sepulveda gets asked to handle kickoffs at some point?


I wonder... if they invested money in a kicking coach, and worked with him... I wonder if his mechanics could be improved just a bit.

steelpride12
07-27-2007, 10:51 PM
I think Willie Reid is ready to boom. Recent article, he said he has been working hard. We know he has the talent he just needs to get on the field.

ya im def. ready to see what this beast has as a kick returner!

Preacher
07-28-2007, 02:35 AM
I would like to see what Spev... has as a kicker as well...

Galax Steeler
07-28-2007, 05:05 AM
I like what I'm hearing out of spev. and reed I'm ready for some football.

Elvis
07-28-2007, 09:01 AM
1 Week.....
1 Day.....
Steelers
vs
Saints
I am getting so excited and I just hope that our special teams do alot better than they have done the past 3 or 4 years, and I think that they will now that we have a punter that knows how to angle for the sidelines and has good back spin.
:tt02::tt02::tt02:

Preacher
07-29-2007, 02:16 AM
I really can't wait to see Reid on ST as well...

fI really think that we are going to be an ENTIRELY different team on ST's this year.

WWIIOwheelz
07-29-2007, 02:45 AM
The upgrade at punter is obviously huge, and I'm loving that, but the biggest gripe I had about the Steelers last year on special teams was not protecting the ball. I thought El was bad running North, South & backwards for 15 seconds, but I found myself missing that at times.

That wasn't only on ST, either. I want to see that ball protected a lot better this year.

*tic*

Sorry, carry on :)