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83-Steelers-43
07-19-2007, 11:31 PM
Tomlin stresses new 'D' for Steelers: discipline
Friday, July 20, 2007

By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

New, young coach Bill Cowher didn't take long in grabbing his players' attention at his first Steelers' training camp in 1992. He cut Huey Richardson, the team's No. 1 draft choice a year earlier. Everybody noticed.

New, young coach Mike Tomlin will go about it in a different way when he hits Latrobe running Monday. Santonio Holmes has to be thankful for that, but the other fellows probably won't be quite so appreciative.

Fifteen two-a-day practices.

"It is going to be trying at times," an enthused Tomlin said yesterday. "There will be some adversity ...

"That's what training camp is about. You put guys in situations that are a little bit outside of their comfort zone, that will make them a little bit uncomfortable and see who is able to deal with it."

Oh, yeah, they'll be uncomfortable, all right.

After that disappointing 8-8 record last season, they need to be uncomfortable.

No one likes change and many people are afraid of change, but that doesn't mean change is always bad.

The Steelers are a team that needs the change Tomlin is ready to provide, what is expected to be the toughest, most competitive camp in years.

Sure, Tomlin has to make it that way to establish himself, just as Cowher had to send his message by releasing Richardson, one of the great busts in franchise history. Although Tomlin insisted he's "not approaching this as a tone-setter," that can't be true. He has been setting the tone since he took the Steelers job in January, doing a marvelous job of it, actually. It's still too soon to evaluate the man as a head coach. Let's let him win a game first. Let's see how he reacts to a loss or two or three. But it's not too soon to say he has handled himself admirably in every situation so far.

You had to like the way Tomlin shrugged off the very public moans of his veteran players who wanted the Steelers to stay in-house for Cowher's successor and go with a known -- to them, anyway -- commodity, Ken Whisenhunt or Russ Grimm. To paraphrase him: It's their job to play and my job to coach 'em up. At the end of the day, what difference does it make if they like me or not?

You also had to like the way Tomlin dealt with the Alan Faneca contract crisis at minicamp in May. "This will be my last year as a Pittsburgh Steeler," an angry, emotional Faneca said, a contention he reiterated again this week. Tomlin treated Faneca with all of the respect an All-Pro deserves, yet it's believed he also fined him when he skipped a mandatory workout.

Hey, if you let something slide in May, who's to say other things won't slide in November and December when it really can haunt the team?

But this camp isn't just about a new sheriff in town. It's fair to think after the 2005 season the Steelers had grown a little stale, even a little soft, under Cowher, especially after they won Super Bowl XL. It wasn't just all of the underachieving last year. It was the overall lack of discipline, the personal-foul penalties, the sloppy football all the way around, on offense, defense and special teams. Seeing it brought to mind something former Steelers great Jerome Bettis said about Cowher in '05: "He allowed us a lot of flexibility. He never fined us for anything. You came late, you never got fined. You never got reprimanded for anything."

Those days are gone.

Good riddance.

That doesn't mean Tomlin won't be smart at Saint Vincent College. He's not going to burn his team out in the brutal heat and humidity of July and August. There will be special-teams work and walk-throughs on at least half of those scheduled two-a-days. And, as the new boss noted, though he put a lot of time and thought into his rugged practice demands and is happy with the schedule, "We understand that we have to be light on our feet and things will have to be adjusted along the way."

But, for sure, the players still will be plenty uncomfortable.

"We want to come out as a hardened unit," Tomlin said of his No. 1 camp goal. "The only way you can do that is if you are challenged in a lot of ways."

Makes sense, doesn't it?

In this case, uncomfortable really is good.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07201/803089-87.stm

dhosmer
07-20-2007, 12:44 AM
what? like in the back of a volkswagon?

Preacher
07-20-2007, 02:26 AM
I just get so excited when i read about this man and this team.

I can't wait!

Galax Steeler
07-20-2007, 03:47 AM
It sounds like camp is going to be tough but it will seperate the men from the boys.

Buzz05
07-20-2007, 05:23 AM
When I read stories about wha Tomlin wants this camp to be like it sounds as if he wants an old school, knock down drag out camp. Kind of like the Junction Boys and Bear Bryant. Only lets home people are falling over from dehydration and quiting left and right. I seriously thing this type of camp is good for them. Lets them get that edge, that hunger, and that swagger bag. I want to see them be mean again on defense and just know that the offense cant be stopped. I want a showing like the 2006 playoffs. And I think Tomlin is just the man to bring that out in them.

DACEB
07-20-2007, 06:42 AM
Tomlin stresses new 'D' for Steelers: discipline

"It is going to be trying at times," an enthused Tomlin said yesterday. "There will be some adversity ...

"That's what training camp is about. You put guys in situations that are a little bit outside of their comfort zone, that will make them a little bit uncomfortable and see who is able to deal with it."


This sure sounds like it will be a tough camp, but is'nt that exactly what this team needs after last season.

I read a quote from Junior Seau where he stated (when asked what made Bill Belichick a great coach) that Belichick had a knack for humbling players. I believe that Tomlin is trying to create an atmosphere to do exactly that, humble the players. I think we can all agree that there are veterans on this team that may feel a little entitled (Cowhers good ole boys), these practices will test those players limits and possibly open the door for some of the younger players to show their hunger, drive, enthusiasm and ability. As the article stated, maybe the players need to be made a little uncomfortable to humble them and make them realize that hard work and teamwork is what will get you playing time on the field.

Once again I'm encouraged by Tomlin's plans and what he had to say. I'm looking forward to a new and improved Steeler team but with the same old TOUGH Steeler tradition and attitude.

stillers4ever
07-20-2007, 07:55 AM
I sure hope they dont get burned out.

Jman
07-20-2007, 08:28 AM
I just get so excited when i read about this man and this team.

I can't wait!

Tell me about it :thumbsup:

rog
07-20-2007, 09:06 AM
I don't know if it's just me or not but when Tomlin talks it feels like he has been doing this forever.

fansince'76
07-20-2007, 09:11 AM
I sure hope they dont get burned out.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. I am glad conditioning is going to be a focus for the team - don't want to see anybody sucking wind in the 4th quarter of a game.

83-Steelers-43
07-20-2007, 09:39 AM
I wouldn't worry too much about that. I am glad conditioning is going to be a focus for the team - don't want to see anybody sucking wind in the 4th quarter of a game.

I agree. I don't think Tomlin is going to drive the guys into the ground. The schedule can and probably will change. If the players look good one day, you give them a morning or afternoon off. I'm not worried at all about them tiring out. I welcome the tough approach. This team needs it after last years showing.

SalukiSteelers
07-20-2007, 02:43 PM
I don't know if it's just me or not but when Tomlin talks it feels like he has been doing this forever.

He does have a quiet confidence about him, doesn't he? I'm curious to see how the veterans react to what sounds like a tougher regime. I'd like to see Hines step up and act as a go-between for the new coaches and the veteran players. And of course Ben will have to do some of that, too. Defense shouldn't be a problem w/LeBeau sticking around. I'm more concerned with offense and Faneca. If Tomlin can manage the established egos during camp he can really bank some points when things inevitably get tough during the season. I think our guys can respond to a disciplinarian such as Tomlin if they believe he knows what he's doing.

Preacher
07-20-2007, 05:11 PM
About this time, nothing would surprise me from Tomlin in the discipline, tough as nails category...

heck, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Steelers go back to train in teh rock pit they used to train in!!

Elvis
07-20-2007, 05:24 PM
Tomlin is such a great speaker isnt he?... I love the way all sounds and if the guys play as hard as this guy talks'em up.. then we should have a nice season....
:tt02::tt02::tt02:

Elvis
07-20-2007, 05:26 PM
I sure hope they dont get burned out.
Great point....:thumbsup:

MasterOfPuppets
07-20-2007, 05:43 PM
That doesn't mean Tomlin won't be smart at Saint Vincent College. He's not going to burn his team out in the brutal heat and humidity of July and August. There will be special-teams work and walk-throughs on at least half of those scheduled two-a-days. And, as the new boss noted, though he put a lot of time and thought into his rugged practice demands and is happy with the schedule, "We understand that we have to be light on our feet and things will have to be adjusted along the way."


wtf ??? i don't get it.....i spent 4 summers in high school doing " 2 a day " ( 2 hours each)
practices. i'd think if teenagers can handle it , these million dollar cry baby's should be able to take it. :hunch:

Preacher
07-20-2007, 06:04 PM
That doesn't mean Tomlin won't be smart at Saint Vincent College. He's not going to burn his team out in the brutal heat and humidity of July and August. There will be special-teams work and walk-throughs on at least half of those scheduled two-a-days. And, as the new boss noted, though he put a lot of time and thought into his rugged practice demands and is happy with the schedule, "We understand that we have to be light on our feet and things will have to be adjusted along the way."


wtf ??? i don't get it.....i spent 4 summers in high school doing " 2 a day " ( 2 hours each)
practices. i'd think if teenagers can handle it , these million dollar cry baby's should be able to take it. :hunch:

LOL... Especially since you only play one game a week!

As we are discussing on another thread... trying playing Rugby... which hits JUST AS HARD... WITH NO PADS... and playing in a tournament, three GAMES a DAY!!

I just don't get it.

lotas
07-20-2007, 06:30 PM
He sounds like the coach in Remember the Titans that Denzel Washington plays...real old fashioned. Me gusta

SalukiSteelers
07-20-2007, 08:37 PM
LOL... Especially since you only play one game a week!

As we are discussing on another thread... trying playing Rugby... which hits JUST AS HARD... WITH NO PADS... and playing in a tournament, three GAMES a DAY!!

I just don't get it.

The NFL is a much bigger deal than rugby. Sure, those guys play multiple games in a day but in this country they're not filling sixty-thousand-seat stadiums. Football players may be millionaires but they die younger than the general population. Toughen 'em up but not at the expense of injury. Should be an interesting camp.

steelpride12
07-20-2007, 09:07 PM
Ha i love hearing this it reminds me of the 1999 Rams When Dick V pushed them really hard 6 hours a day and liked killed them but they won the Superbowl just like we will!

JackHammer
07-21-2007, 04:06 AM
I don't know if it's just me or not but when Tomlin talks it feels like he has been doing this forever.

I agree completely. It's like he did this in another life. If that's the case, I hope his name was Lombardi in his past life!

Seriously though, every indication so far is that he's light years ahead of his experience level. I can't wait to see how it translates onto the field. Tuesday is going to be one of the most exciting days of training camp in years for the first public practice under Coach T!! Gonna be a big turn out for sure.

Preacher
07-21-2007, 07:03 PM
The NFL is a much bigger deal than rugby. Sure, those guys play multiple games in a day but in this country they're not filling sixty-thousand-seat stadiums. Football players may be millionaires but they die younger than the general population. Toughen 'em up but not at the expense of injury. Should be an interesting camp.

Not my argument.

All I was saying is that they Rugby players hit as hard... have as much contact, but play a heck of a lot more....

Why?

aussiesteelers
07-21-2007, 09:44 PM
Not my argument.

All I was saying is that they Rugby players hit as hard... have as much contact, but play a heck of a lot more....

Why?

Until they play for serios money. Here in australia, they play the regular season one game a week and same with playing for australia against New Zealand and South Africa. Also i believe they dont hit as hard but the scrimmages are much more messy and requires more strength and are more prone to injuries.

Preacher
07-21-2007, 10:13 PM
Until they play for serios money. Here in australia, they play the regular season one game a week and same with playing for australia against New Zealand and South Africa. Also i believe they dont hit as hard but the scrimmages are much more messy and requires more strength and are more prone to injuries.

They DEFINITELY hit has hard....

I think the difference is, they are expected to wrap when they hit. I have actually seen PENALTIES called for not wrapping. One of my backs was a LB in football on our college team (if i remember right) and just blew this kid up... but didn't wrap. I actually remember the Sir saying to him, "Great hit, but you need to wrap up son!"