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Crushzilla
08-04-2007, 10:36 PM
Barry Bonds just hit his 755th Home Run, a 382 foot shot off Clay Hensley.

He has tied Hank Aaron's record.

TommyG
08-04-2007, 10:38 PM
Hope he hits one more later tonight so everyone can stop talking about him and we can move on...

revefsreleets
08-05-2007, 01:51 PM
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83-Steelers-43
08-08-2007, 09:29 AM
756*

Off of Mike Bacsik. Good job you tax cheating, wife cheating, steroid using bum. :coffee:

BTW, they also had Aaron on the jumbotron. As always, Hank was his classy self. He congratulated Bonds and his family.

The REAL HR King....

SteelCityMan786
08-08-2007, 10:12 AM
756*

Off of Mike Bacsik. Good job you tax cheating, wife cheating, steroid using bum. :coffee:

BTW, they also had Aaron on the jumbotron. As always, Hank was his classy self. He congratulated Bonds and his family.

The REAL HR King....

Too late to suspend him on roids now and take home runs away.

83-Steelers-43
08-08-2007, 10:22 AM
Too late to suspend him on roids now and take home runs away.

I agree.

For me, as long as there is always that "but" at the end of "Barry Bonds is the HR leader,but".......then I am content.

He can have the awards, but as long as the truth follows that's all that matters to me. I know who the true HR King is and so do many other people. Those same people will tell the next generation and so on and so on. He has to live with that.

A tarnished record.

Black@Gold Forever32
08-08-2007, 10:59 AM
Ok I just wonder if the same people calling Barry a steroid using bum think that Mike Webster was also a steroid using bum?lol I'm guessing not.........Plus if you think todays NFL players are clean....Then you got your heads in the sand...You can't even test for HGH.......I bet at least 60 to 70 percent of NFL players are using HGH......You know what I don't care since the NFL is going great..lol

Its funny to anybody think Roger Clemens is clean also? He was still pitching like he was 25 years old the past few years.....lol

83-Steelers-43
08-08-2007, 12:14 PM
For me personally, it's not just the steroids. I think the guy is a bum outside of steroids. So I guess I can't speak for those "other people". For those of us who actually live in Pittsburgh and listened to Bonds and saw his actions when he was here, I guess we have a better understanding and insight on what this guy is all about outside of baseball. IMO, the steroids are just the cherry on the sundae. Like I said though, he has to live with it.

Long Live Hank!!!! :toofunny::sofunny:

BettisFan
08-08-2007, 12:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD4S2ENoAEU

great video of all of last nights festivities and the bonds homerun first of course enjoy!!

3litenemesis
08-08-2007, 01:26 PM
Congrats to Barry.

The Duke
08-08-2007, 03:50 PM
That's awesome, thanks

SteelCityMan786
08-08-2007, 03:56 PM
Thread Merged.

verks36
08-08-2007, 04:02 PM
I am actually happy for bonds

I grew up in the bay aka san Francisco and so i have never really followed on the bash on bonds bandwaggon. To me innocent until proven guility. Plus even if he did take it the pitches were taking it to so it balences out. Plus its notlike if you take steriods it an automatic 756 homers it still has to take a ton of skill if he did.

83-Steelers-43
08-08-2007, 04:06 PM
IMO, Hank should come out of retirement, get some of that rub oil and start swinging away. :wink02:

memphissteelergirl
08-08-2007, 04:17 PM
OK...so everyone is pretty much in agreement that it is naive (not to mention ignorant) to think that Barry Bonds is the only guy allegedly using 'roids in baseball, but let's face it...the guy is a poster boy for the problem/debate. First of all, he basically draws attention to himself by being an A-hole to the fans, his teammates and the media. He needs to just play ball and STFU.
And secondly, until "No-Spine" Selig and the rest of the powers that-be in MLB and the Player's Union finally get together and take a firm stand (not just do some lame spin campaign), this is going to hang over every player in the league, now and in the future, and every accomplishment and record that is set and/or broken is going to be questioned and debated.

83-Steelers-43
08-08-2007, 04:34 PM
OK...so everyone is pretty much in agreement that it is naive (not to mention ignorant) to think that Barry Bonds is the only guy allegedly using 'roids in baseball, but let's face it...the guy is a poster boy for the problem/debate. First of all, he basically draws attention to himself by being an A-hole to the fans, his teammates and the media. He needs to just play ball and STFU.
And secondly, until "No-Spine" Selig and the rest of the powers that-be in MLB and the Player's Union finally get together and take a firm stand (not just do some lame spin campaign), this is going to hang over every player in the league, now and in the future, and every accomplishment and record that is set and/or broken is going to be questioned and debated.

It would be the same (for me) if Mark McGuire was in Barry's spot right now. The only difference, McGuire isn't a complete a-hole like Barry Bonds. I can only speak for myself, but character means something to me. It goes a long way when I judge an athlete or anybody else for that matter.

There's no doubt Selig should have stepped up a long time ago and put a stop to this, but that still doesn't change the fact that Bonds is a cheat (IMO). Just like it wouldn't change the fact if it were McGuire, Sosa or Palmeiro. It's easy for a Giants fan or somebody who has lived in another city to give a pass to Bonds because they did not witness what he was like when he was in our city.

I do find it odd though, people will bash Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, (insert any other athlete who has never been arrested or caused trouble on his team or was an idiot towards fans), yet Barry is just.....well.....Barry's just a great guy. Amusing to say the least.

Black@Gold Forever32
08-08-2007, 05:11 PM
I never said Barry was a great guy.....If you want character to count for something then thats your business.......But we better start throwing people out of the Hall of Fame for not being good people or being flat out jerks......There is a lot of players in Cooperstown already that had characters flaws....Just look at Ty Cobb...lol Plus the Babe also cheated on his first wife and had a notorious appetite for women......If he played today the media would scrutnize him like they do todays players....

83-Steelers-43
08-08-2007, 05:13 PM
I never said Barry was a great guy.....If you want character to count for something then thats your business.......But we better start throwing people out of the Hall of Fame for not being good people or being flat out jerks......There is a lot of players in Cooperstown already that had characters flaws....Just look at Ty Cobb...lol Plus the Babe also cheated on his first wife and had a notorious appetite for women......If he played today the media would scrutnize him like they do todays players....

Never said you did. Barry should be in the HOF, doesn't mean I have to love the guy or give him any respect. I still think he's a bum, a cheat and a POS as a human being. I never stated he shouldn't be in the HOF.

Oh well, like i said, I guess it's a Pittsburgh thing. :sofunny:

Black@Gold Forever32
08-08-2007, 05:21 PM
Never said you did. Barry should be in the HOF, doesn't mean I have to love the guy or give him any respect.

like i said, I guess it's a Pittsburgh thing. :sofunny:

I'm not trying to make you like Barry Bonds....trust me thats your right not to like any players...Plus Barry did bring this on himself....So I don't feel sorry for Barry when people totally hate him...I just still think he is one of the best players ever....He was a great player before using the juice....I rambling now so I'm just going to shut up..lol

Oh its a Pittsburgh thing no doubt.....lol Back in 1993 I was 14 and that was Barry Bonds first year with the Giants.....My Dad used to take me back to PA to visit family every summer and we would also go to Pirates games.....That summer in 93 he got tickets for Bonds returned trip to Pittsburgh.....It was great and funny how much Barry was booed....I was the only one standing and cheering Barry on....:sofunny::sofunny: I'm 14 and adults in the stands were throwing stuff at me and cussing me out...lol I'll never forget it.....lol

83-Steelers-43
08-08-2007, 05:25 PM
I know. You "wondered".....

Ok I just wonder if the same people calling Barry a steroid using bum think that Mike Webster was also a steroid using bum?

I simply answered from my point of view judging that I was the only one in this thread who called him a bum. I gave my reasons. My opinion of a person goes beyond what they do on the field.

BettisFan
08-08-2007, 05:40 PM
go barry keep it up but arod is going to break ur record

BettisFan
08-08-2007, 05:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD4S2ENoAEU
the homerun and aftermath

Elvis
08-08-2007, 05:52 PM
:chicken::toofunny::cheer:
This is just exactly what I think of the Steroid Using Bonds....
I agree ...
He has this criticism all coming to him until he proves that he was or is not still on Steroids... I just cant believe that his personal trainer is sticking to his story and staying in jail... Are you kidding me?:toofunny:

83-Steelers-43
08-08-2007, 06:40 PM
:chicken::toofunny::cheer:
This is just exactly what I think of the Steroid Using Bonds....
I agree ...
He has this criticism all coming to him until he proves that he was or is not still on Steroids... I just cant believe that his personal trainer is sticking to his story and staying in jail... Are you kidding me?:toofunny:

Remember this little gem?

cNttXpxZ1Kc What a great teammate and person. That's the Barry us Pittsburgher's know and remember.

C-BusSteeler
08-08-2007, 11:00 PM
bonds goes yard again...#757

Crushzilla
08-08-2007, 11:03 PM
bonds goes yard again...#757

He's on a rampage! Run for the hills! Your village is no longer safe!

.... We ARE talking about Godzilla.... right?

SteelCityMan786
08-08-2007, 11:21 PM
I guess he wants some difference avaliable between himself and Aaron for when A Rod tries to pass it.

Black@Gold Forever32
08-08-2007, 11:38 PM
Did you think Barry was just going to retire after hitting 756? It has nothing to do with A-Rod are Hank Aaron...He loves playing baseball and he wants to continue playing even next year.....You can say what you want about him...But he does love playing the game...Keep hitting away Barry until you can't anymore......I want to see 800 homers....

ChronoCross
08-09-2007, 12:20 AM
He Hit 757 tonight.. woot woot.. keep it up barry.

BettisFan
08-09-2007, 01:51 AM
i wonder where he will be next season

revefsreleets
08-09-2007, 09:58 AM
The most important thing that makes this record a sham is that he artificially extended his career due to steroids and HGH. That's not legitimate. If he wasn't on 'roids, he doesn't even approach 755, and that's an undeniable fact. Are pitchers using 'roids, too? Sure. Will that extend their career and taint their records, too? Sure. But this is arguably the most hallowed record in all of sports, and steroids won't help a pitcher the same way they'll help a hitter. This is a really interesting take on the situation. I highlighted the best parts:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=dw-756bonds080707&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Long gone and a long time coming, the Barry Bonds-propelled baseball soared into the California sky and right through history; a history no one will ever be able to fully explain to future generations of skeptical fans.

Bonds has hit 756 home runs, the most ever, but it isn't just the number that comes with a performance-enhancing-inspired asterisk. It's Bonds himself, it's baseball as a whole, it's an era of sports where rule-breaking is rampant and honest heroes such as Henry Aaron are in the shortest of supplies.

Around the country, Bonds' home run will be met with cheers and curses but mostly with shrugged shoulders and pointed fingers. There are a multitude of guilty targets.


If this was supposedly the making of history, then realize history isn't going to make much of this. Ten, 30, 50 years from now, it will be looked upon with bewilderment – did people really celebrate a phony number that punctuated a fraudulent era of the game? No one will give much credence to what happened in Major League Baseball from, say, 1996 to the advent of mandatory steroids testing.

Technically, Bonds swung, connected and sent a ball out of the park 756 different times in his 22-season career. But it takes Easter Bunny-level gullibility to believe he did it naturally.

His numbers are nonsensical – most notably the absurd 73 homers in 2001, a total 19.7 percent greater than Roger Maris' mark of 61, which hasn't been touched without massive suspicion in 46 years and counting.

Forty-six year old records don't just fall by 19.7 percent. Or even by the 14.7 percent Mark McGwire exceeded Maris' record in 1998. If someone were to shave 19.7 percent off the current world record in the mile run (3:43.13), he'd finish at 2:59.2. Yes, a three-minute mile. You think you'd believe something so statistically improbable? How about 100-meter dash in 7.8 seconds? You think your grandkids would buy that one, or mock it as some old fish story?

Guess what, they aren't going to believe 73, either. And without those, Bonds didn't pass Aaron.

Bonds' ties to disgraced BALCO labs, the fact that his personal trainer is behind bars for refusal to turn over evidence on him, and the possible federal indictment on perjury charges this fall means that 756 deceives only the most dim or devout.

The saddest part is that Bonds never needed it, that in surpassing the most hallowed record in baseball he tarnished his reputation to the point his apologists have to remind people that he was Hall-of-Fame-worthy long before baseball's "Steroid Era" began.

Bonds should be hitting his, say, 650th clean homer about now, continuing to build the case that he is the greatest ballplayer of all time. That is how great he was, and is. He never needed the juice. His legacy would have been so much greater, meant so much more without it.

But that wasn't enough. In the exhaustive Bonds biography "Love Me, Hate Me," it is surmised that he was jealous over the attention lapped on McGwire, a lesser talent who looked comically juiced as he clubbed the 70 questionable home runs in 1998.

And, that is where this is about so much more than Bonds. That is why the melancholy of this record falling sweeps over a cast of the craven.

This is baseball's shame too, from commissioner Bud Selig on down. Inside the game, they knew the numbers of the late 1990s were as artificial as the players' biceps. No one dared to care. This was about making money after the disastrous canceling of the 1994 World Series.

The world Bonds and the others operated in came with tacit approval from above. Bonds may be a lout – a man born into privilege who would throw his jock on the floor, not in a nearby hamper, so he could watch a low-paid clubhouse worker pick it up – but he didn't start the drug era. He did it naturally and fumed while a bunch of clowns surpassed him.

So if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, right? It isn't excusable, of course. But at the time, it was all so clouded. No testing. No concern. No comment. Just Selig, team owners and the players perpetuating a dishonest game on the fans.

"I'm sick of Bud Selig and Major League Baseball, the way they've been grandstanding," Detroit Tigers outfielder Gary Sheffield ranted to USA Today. "Why doesn't Bud Selig tell the truth? Why does he keep lying and saying he doesn't know nothing about nothing? He knew everything (about steroids) we (the players) knew.

"Bud Selig wants to talk about the integrity of the game? To him, the integrity of the game is how much money they make."

Selig maintains he knew nothing definitive, and that his efforts to take action earlier were met by the stiff resistance from the players' union. In the court of public opinion, though, Selig is seen as no more believable than Bonds.

That soaring shot, No. 756, is just one more reminder of an era that will be impossible to defend to future fans. These numbers aren't real, they aren't true. The accomplishments will be written off and ridiculed like stats from the turn of the 20th century.

In 1904, considered part of the "modern era," Jack Chesbro won 41 games and recorded a 1.82 ERA, pitching all season on two days rest. Does anyone consider that the greatest season of all time by a starting pitcher? Or do you scoff at the competition considering that today's far better conditioned pitchers – some on juice themselves – only start about 34 games a year?

Perhaps Chesbro really was great. But how could you know? His numbers are so out of line they actually weaken, not bolster, his reputation. That's what Bonds will deal with decades from now.

His home run total isn't the asterisk, he is. He didn't need the juice. But neither did Bud Selig's baseball. The whole game gets an asterisk because together they chased the easy money, the momentary glory.

But time has a leveling effect, and with the home run chase over we can finally get on with tomorrow.

History promises to be scornful, not just of Bonds, but of Selig and his cronies, and of the players' union, who led this great game, America's pastime, down a dark road, leaving behind numbers that future generations will never accept.

stillhead
08-09-2007, 10:16 AM
the guy goes from a scrawny porn stache wearing bucco to a goliath but he didn't use any roids. he's 1 of the many reasons i dislike baseball.

fansince'76
08-09-2007, 11:22 AM
I just cant believe that his personal trainer is sticking to his story and staying in jail... Are you kidding me?:toofunny:

I imagine the trainer will have a nice little payment waiting for him in exchange for his "cooperation" when he gets out. Probably enough to never have to work again if he doesn't want to, I'm thinking.

Black@Gold Forever32
08-09-2007, 12:06 PM
the guy goes from a scrawny porn stache wearing bucco to a goliath but he didn't use any roids. he's 1 of the many reasons i dislike baseball.

Do you think todays NFL players are clean? If you do then you have your head in the sand....lol You can't test for HGH....So I'm willing to bet at least 60-70 percent of NFL players are using HGH....You know what I don't care since the NFL is going great.....

83-Steelers-43
08-09-2007, 12:19 PM
the guy goes from a scrawny porn stache wearing bucco to a goliath but he didn't use any roids. he's 1 of the many reasons i dislike baseball.

Hey, hey, hey. Barry didn't know the cream he was putting on his body were steroids. It was an honest mistake. Actually, I hear it's the new fad in sports, athletes put things in or on their bodies without knowing what they do. It's grrrrrrrrrrrrreat!!! :sofunny:

83-Steelers-43
08-09-2007, 12:20 PM
I imagine the trainer will have a nice little payment waiting for him in exchange for his "cooperation" when he gets out. Probably enough to never have to work again if he doesn't want to, I'm thinking.

You better believe it. Either do a short stint in jail or get a few million and be set for life. That's a tough one...:wink02:

And to top everybody....I hope Barry hits a billion more!!! :flap:

stillhead
08-09-2007, 12:29 PM
where did i say anything about nfl players being clean??????