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Suitanim
09-22-2005, 08:53 PM
Unless it's fair weather...check this out...

Much debate has taken place on this board about the Patriots' fan base, and several "visitors" insisting that Pats have dedicated and long-term fans, just as much as the Steelers. The Patsy fans insist that they have not become interested in the franchise due to recent victories, and have and will continue to stick by their team no matter what.

Fine, then. But admit here that the Steeler fans are more plentiful, engergized and dedicated than Patsy fans. Loyal Pats' fans should have no problem finding occasions where Pats' fans took over an opposing teams' stadium, as the Steeler fans do with regularity. Some examples:

This helps to explain the 10,000-plus Steelers followers chanting "Duuuuuuuuuuce" and drowning out the host Cowboys fans Oct. 17 in Dallas.

"It looked like a Steelers home game," said Tim Campion, a Minnesota native who wound up the vice president of the Southern Steel Fan Club in north Texas. The faithful gravitated to Texas Stadium from the New Mexico Steelers club, from old Mexico, from the Tulsa, Okla., club, from even Florida and Pittsburgh.

Police at Texas Stadium caught a couple of fanatics without tickets climbing over the fence, illegally trying to get into the game.

"Those are my people; that's my heritage right there," kidded Cowboys media-relations director Rich Dalrymple, a North Hills High graduate. "As someone who grew up there, it makes me proud ... the way the Steelers are loved."

Cincinnati is another venue with a similar Steelers gravitational pull. Counts vary over the years, but often one-third of the 65,535 seats have been occupied by Steelers fans.

"We don't need the opponent's fans to fill up the place now," said Bengals spokesman Jack Brennan, who didn't know how many Steelers fans to expect today, with both teams a hot ticket. "Certainly, the fan fervor that follows the Steelers is a reflection of their consistent success over I don't know how many years."

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"It's out of control," said Steve Burman over the telephone from Hawaii.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04326/415239.stm

Or how about this:

"Steeler fans also will gather in hundreds of other public watering holes today. They'll be among retirees at Spectators Sports Bar in Fort Myers, Fla.; with a heavily Hispanic crowd at the Kings-X watering hole in El Paso, Texas; joining software engineers at Zachery's in Millbrae, Calif.

The Steelers' fan support around the country is legendary. Television commentators point out the unusual visibility and decibel level of support for the Steelers in other teams' stadiums, only some of which is produced by current Pittsburghers traveling to follow their team."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04361/432155.stm

Or this (even for preseason games):

"I'm going to the game tomorrow and i have a bad feeling that Fedex Field is going to be swarmed with Pittsburgh fans. With the combination of Pittsburgh doing so well last year and us doing so poorly i know its gunna happen. I have a feeling it might even be 35 percent pittsburgh fans, what do u guys think?"

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/a.../t-110800.html (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-110800.html)

And this:

"Todd from Jacksonville: It's the rule of this forum that we ask you questions, but I'm compelled to make a statement. One of Jack Del Rio's original tag lines for this franchise was ?take back our house.? Jacksonville has failed. I was embarrassed Sunday night sitting in section 244 watching thousands of yellow flags waved around my stadium. I have never felt like wearing my own colors, in my own stadium, made me a target. My friends were trying to take my Jaguars logo magnets off my car because they didn't want to deal with hecklers. Look, Pittsburgh has a long and wonderful tradition and I am impressed by their fans' support of their team, but what a wonderful example they set and what a sad realization for Jags fans. We've read in the news lately that the fans' belief that they are a part of the game is dangerous, but there is reckless, obnoxious behavior and then there is emotional, unconditional support for your franchise. I love Jacksonville. I love the Jaguars. I am a loyal fan. Sunday night I had to watch someone walk into my house, sit down in my favorite chair, take control of my remote and dare me to take it back. I tried, the Jaguars tried, neither of us succeeded. Please, Jacksonville, take this as an example of what real fans do. You don't have to travel and take over someone else's stadium. Let's start by taking control of ours. Buy a ticket and love your team. This is our house."

http://www.jaguars.com/Story/4081.asp

And this:

"After watching the Bengals get crushed by the Pittsburgh Steelers last Sunday, after watching Steeler fans take over Paul Brown Stadium as if it were their own, I suggested that either Brown was a fool for ignoring the obvious and hiring someone to run the football operation of his franchise or the fans were fools for having built him a stadium."

http://www.cincypost.com/bengals/2000/koch120200.html

Or how about this:

"It was Buffalo's final home game. But, sometimes, it didn't feel that way. The west end zone of Ralph Wilson Stadium -- heavily populated by towel-wavers -- led a booming chant of "Here we go, Steelers" in the game's final seconds.

"All I saw was yellow towels going everywhere," Bills cornerback Terrence McGee said."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05003/436323.stm

Buffalo, Dallas, Jacksonville, Cincinnati, Washington, Baltimore, Cleveland, and on and on. Bars nationwide showing Steeler games. Steeler fans reigning - despite the lack of recent Super Bowl success.

So, given that the Patriots have such a devoted fan base, and are the beneficiaries of recent success, I am sure that you can find many examples of Patsy fans taking over the opponents' stadium . . . right?

So, please provide the details for such occasions.
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bigbensgirl7
09-22-2005, 09:13 PM
"After watching the Bengals get crushed by the Pittsburgh Steelers last Sunday, after watching Steeler fans take over Paul Brown Stadium as if it were their own, I suggested that either Brown was a fool for ignoring the obvious and hiring someone to run the football operation of his franchise or the fans were fools for having built him a stadium."
I go to that game every year...."It's our home away from home" and it's been like that forever...not just the past 15 years....try since the 70s!!!! Welcome to the Steelers Jungle!

But seriously...we have fans everywhere you look. There are Steelers bars in almost every town, and it's never hard to find a Steeler fan anywhere! Pretty much every away game (no matter how far away it is) the announcers seem to always metion the overwhelming number of Steelers fans in the crowd!!! I love it!!! We have some of the most loyal and die hard fans in the league!!!

BlitzburghRockCity
09-22-2005, 09:18 PM
There is NOTHING in the world like a STEELERS fan.. We are the BEST !!! Good stuff suit !!

Livinginthe past
09-23-2005, 04:36 AM
Ho Hum.

I dont believe we have to compare favourably to the Steelers to regard ourselves as an excellent fan-base.

I think maybe you are getting a little over-excited with gameday approaching Suit, and are inventing head-2-head rivalries where none exist.

The Steelers have been succesful for a lot longer than the Patriots have - which is bound to lead to a substantial fan-base country wide.

The Patriots on the other hand have achieved very little for the most part of their existence - rarely making the playoffs and mostly having a losing record - that is....until the last 4/5 years.

Despite this we have sold out every home game for the last 14 years - INCLUDING pre-season - I think this shows dedication to the team - especially as the fans have had very little to encourage them along the way in terms of winning records and post-season appearances.

The fact is the Patriots fans are a super-loyal bunch who are willing to support their team in times of crisis - and hell yeah, now we are enjoying the fruits of a little success.

NE doesn't have anything like the number of booster clubs that more established franchises such as the Steelers, Cowboys, 49ers have....but if we can maintain a steady level of performance over the 10 years then I think we will start to see the Patriot country-wide fan base start to rival that of a team such as the Steelers.

So yes, I will concede that Steelers fans are certainly more plentiful in a country wide-sense, but I dont think you will convince me that the Steelers are anymore 'energetic or dedicated'.

Cheers

NM

Hammer67
09-23-2005, 06:37 AM
All I can say is that since moving to Detroit, I can't belive it. I go to a bar with NFL Sunday ticket, wear my colors, find my TV showing the Pittsburgh game (at some places they put it far in the corner as to not have the Steelers fans overshine the Lions fans!) and end up with a whole group around me...

I think the succes in the 70's did have a lot to do with their fan following but they have been popular even before the Super Bowls. One thing Pittsburgh is not is "fairweather" about football.

Why else have there been no general admission seating in over 30 years? People say things like "we have sell outs every week!" This sounds strange to me as I don't even think about that. We take it for granted. No one in Pittsburgh knows what it is like buying a gameday ticket from the box office. You have to get on a waiting list for season tickets which is like 7 - 10 years. You don't go to a game unless you "know someone" with season tickets that can't go or you want to pay a scalper an ungodly fee.

Much different here in Detroit where they practically give Lions tickets away. Pleople tell me they are almost as easy to get here as Tigers tickets.

One thing I have heard from friends in the Boston area are the fact that there are a ton of bandwagon Patriots fans. One particular friend has been loyal to the Pats for over 20 years and is actually annoyed by some people now that he feels are "Johnny come lately" types. But, I guess this is to be expected from a franchise that has had just recent success...it can happen anywhere, but Pittsburgh! :grin:

BlitzburghRockCity
09-23-2005, 07:35 AM
Another good thing about Steeler fans is, when compared to fans of other successful teams and fans of non successful teams, we still show up week in and week out, still fill up the stadiums, parking lots, bars and clubs just to see our boys get it on. Fair weather fans need not apply :grin:

Suitanim
09-23-2005, 08:21 AM
I didn't write the post...

Hammer67
09-23-2005, 08:51 AM
Elaborating on that season ticket thing I mentioned above, I think because every seat is a season ticket holder adds to the atmosphere. More so then any other town (except Green Bay). The reason is you become familiar with the people around you as the seasons go on. You see familiar faces, familiar tailgates. It's more of a giant family atmosphere. This is something that just isn't possible with stadiums and teams that are mostly general admission. In those cases, you end up sitting at a different place every time you go and there are always different people.

This is a big part of the party atmosphere and mystique surrounding the infamous Steeler tailgates?I love it! :cheers:


hammer

clevestinks
09-23-2005, 02:18 PM
I do beleive I remember either HW or LITP , saying that Pats fans were almost non existant, pre-Kraft. Plus we have a true blue collar town that loves football. And I think this spreads everywhere. I can appreciate all fans of all teams. Without the fans, would there really be a rivalry?? Players laugh amongst each other after games win or lose. We dont laugh after losses. We dont laugh for days. We energize the stadiums. I love rivalries. Props to all fans that support thier team, no matter what, good or bad. Screw the fair weather fans.

With that said" Go Steelers" Steeler fans pat yourself on the back, cause your the greatest.

Cape Cod Steel Head
09-23-2005, 02:34 PM
Having lived in NE the past twelve years I can honestly call Patsy fans fair weather fans. Unlike the Sox whos fans are truly dedicated. Ive never seen a group of fans who love their team one year,and hate them the next. The year they started 0-4 you never heard from them until they started winning. Right now its fashionable to be a Pats fans, but after this weekend when they fall to 1-2 they will start falling off the bandwagon like they always do. But then again that may be because I'm acustom to being around true diehard fans of the greatest team in the NFL. When a sports team becomes akin to a religion only then will they be considered"real" fans.

Suitanim
09-23-2005, 03:01 PM
I know a couple people who are not going to be happy with your assessment...

Cape Cod Steel Head
09-23-2005, 03:06 PM
Just my observations. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Ambridge
09-23-2005, 05:48 PM
Since the Redsox won the World Series last year I think that probably cut deep into the Patriots fan base who like to chant "Yankees Suck" at New England Super Bowl Rally's.

Livinginthe past
09-23-2005, 06:19 PM
I have said my piece regarding the quality of the Pats fan-base - we are all entitled to our opinions I suppose.

As far as the truth hurting - im not really seeing any on this thread - what I am seeing is individual assessments on what people 'believe' to be the truth.

The only fact I care for this weekend is the Patriots result.

Cheers

NM

Cape Cod Steel Head
09-23-2005, 07:00 PM
I have said my piece regarding the quality of the Pats fan-base - we are all entitled to our opinions I suppose.

As far as the truth hurting - im not really seeing any on this thread - what I am seeing is individual assessments on what people 'believe' to be the truth.

The only fact I care for this weekend is the Patriots result.

Cheers

NM
Ditto Lets save our collective energys rooting for our favorite teams. And may the best team win ! Of course we all know that 's The Stillers !

ironcitychef
09-24-2005, 01:45 AM
I just wanted to give the update on fan participation seeing how I work in one of the largest most diverse sports locale right now. Through two weeks, No one is representing better than the Eagles. They are early, loud and decorated in all kinds of green. Then come the Steelers, Jets, and GB respectively. If I don't see any NE fans this weekend then I'll know for sure that some just wait until playoff tickets get printed to finally show their backing. Again, not saying fans are not loyal and supportive, just that they are not as wide spread in the die hards categories as some other franchises.

clevestinks
09-24-2005, 03:32 AM
I just wanted to give the update on fan participation seeing how I work in one of the largest most diverse sports locale right now. Through two weeks, No one is representing better than the Eagles. They are early, loud and decorated in all kinds of green. Then come the Steelers, Jets, and GB respectively. If I don't see any NE fans this weekend then I'll know for sure that some just wait until playoff tickets get printed to finally show their backing. Again, not saying fans are not loyal and supportive, just that they are not as wide spread in the die hards categories as some other franchises.

This past Christmas I spent 10 days at a resort in Orlando, at Disney. We watched the Steelers destroy the Ravens Dec.26 at All Star Sports Cafe at Disney. Steelers fans were everywhere. It was like being at a bar around Pitt. We couldnt beleive it. Man did we feel at home.

hardwork
09-25-2005, 12:56 AM
I get a kick out of people who never lived in a particular city, but yet claim to be fans of that cities football, or hockey, or baseball, team.

Everywhere the Celtics used to play the place would be packed. Wherever it was there was always a large Celtic fan base. I never considered those people fans unless they had lived here.

You Steeler fans can fool yourselves if you want. But some jerkoff from New Mexico, who has never been east of the Rio Grand, but considers himself a Steeler fan, is as fraudulent as some squid wearing jumpwings, and a Ranger Tab.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-25-2005, 01:03 AM
Hey now, you actually have the gaul to say that just because you dont live in, or have visited a city that you cant be a fan?? WTF kinda shit is that? I expected way more than a statement like that from you HW.

hardwork
09-25-2005, 01:14 AM
No, I think it's the dumbest thing I ever heard of. Why the hell would you be a fan of the 49ers if you never lived in Calf.? Why would you be a Bruins fan if you never lived in Mass.? Or put another way. Why would I be a fan of any team that wasn't based here in Mass.? I wouldn't root for some New York team, or a Pitt. team, or a Detroit Team.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-25-2005, 02:03 AM
Many people are fans of teams either because they grew up in a family who cheers for that team, or maybe they moved from that city to their current residence, or maybe they were looking for a team to cheer for and found that particular team based on their history, tradition, staff/players, any number of reasons.

Saying that just because you dont live there doesnt me you cant be a fan is just ludicrous thinking. Where you live does not dictate who you should root for. If that was the case, then why in the hell is the NFL sunday ticket so popular..why, 1 reason!!! Fans who cant see their team play every week because of where they live. Obviously the VAST MAJORITY of sports fans around the world, sports marketing, the media in general, and I'd venture a guess that just about any other person would highly disagree w/ your way of thinking on this topic.

clevestinks
09-25-2005, 08:50 AM
Bottom Line: We Steeler Fans KNOW, that we are the best, most loyal, most knowledgable fans in the World. LOL

At least we feel we are!

BlitzburghRockCity
09-25-2005, 09:17 AM
And WE aren't alone in our thinking..many people in the media feel Steeler fans are among the best fans in the world :grin:

ironcitychef
09-26-2005, 12:38 AM
My point, and hopefully my Sunday posting of who shows up at "my house" will illustrate I'd rather be from New Mexico, show up week one rooting for Pittsburgh the rest of the way win or lose, than just show up week 15, in my fresh bought jersey of playoff team #1 and show my team spirit then. NOTE: If you are from Cleveland you actually have until week 4 to give up hope in your team and pick another. So far PHI, PIT, NYJ, and GB will have no lack of fan support in any season no matter what the records show.

dropKickMurphy
09-26-2005, 08:11 AM
I just wanted to give the update on fan participation seeing how I work in one of the largest most diverse sports locale right now.

...ORLANDO?!?!?! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You don't even know what a real sports town looks like.

Look, I would never question the loyalty of the Steelers fan base. You guys are right up there with Packers fans.

But the Patriots fan base is far past the point of being johnny-come-latley-bandwagon fans. It's been over 12 years since every game has been sold out....all of them to season ticket holders. There's 60,000 people on a paid waiting list; most of them have been on that list for 12 years. And Pats fans DO show up at away games. You're not going to see many at places like Heinze Field or the Meadowlands, for the simple reason that there are no tickets available. Just as there were virtually no Steeler fans at Gillette the last time the Steelers played there. I have no question that if 50,000 tickets were made available to Pats fans at Heinze Field (or to Steeler fans at Gillette) , they would be snatched up in minutes.

The Miami game always has a lot of Pats fans. The Buffalo game does as well, although their season ticket base seems to be getting stronger. Last year, we had a game at Arizona in which we easily outnumbered the home team. I remember a game at Carolina a few years ago (when their fan base was down) that ended up being a virtual home game for the Pats.

The point is, if the tickets to a Pats game...anywhere... are on the open market, we will be there. Just like you. The difference is, you have been doing this for over 30 years.

Remember, too, that at least 90% of the Pats fans are also Sox fans. The Sox have a consecutive sellout streak going back to the 2003 season. Also, over the past couple of seasons, there has been no fan base in pro sports that comes close to the number of Sox fans in opponent's parks. Since it's impossible to get Fenway tickets, thousands of Sox fans book trips to places where tickets are available. Every game at Baltimore, Tampa Bay, Toronto, and many other cities has had more Sox fans than home fans. When you consider the number of games (compared to football), the 10 - 15 thousand Sox fans at each road game add up to staggering numbers.

You show me a city that sells out all of its MLB games and NFL games for years; a city that strongly supports its NHL and NBA teams (both of which have had 10+ season stretches of consecutive sellouts); a city in which multiple college hockey teams draw over 7,000 to every game; a city that has over a million spectators turn out every year to watch a bunch of guys (whose names they can't even pronounce) run down the street...then I'll show you a real sports town.

ironcitychef
09-26-2005, 12:19 PM
Is case you came late to the topic of other threads...this is just info for the threads of sports teams and national following as opposed to die hard local following, some teams have both, some are more entrenched in their markets. No offense either way, People were just commenting on who is "visible" every week in and out at sports places. I give my info. No I wouldn't expect large amounts of Pats fans in Orlando, cause I have always said they are market local. I would expect more than what I have seen which leads me to believe some Cleveland fans or others jump ship to the Super bowl favorite late. Thats all... A real sports town actually looks like Chicago, New York, Boston, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Lincoln, NE, Morgantown WV, Knoxville TN, shall I go on....

*By the way we serve roughly 2,500 on Sunday game days and we show all games on over 100 tvs so we are not a "homer" sports bar. Thought that would give us a true enough random sample.*