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83-Steelers-43
08-13-2007, 02:52 PM
Steelers release LB King; re-sign rookie Retkofsky
Monday, August 13, 2007

By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Steelers today released rookie linebacker Matt King and re-signed rookie long-snapper Jared Retkofsky.

Retkofsky was released by the Steelers four days before training camp opened. King was signed last week after rookie linebacker Marcello Church was released.

The re-signing of Retkofsky came two days after the Green Bay Packers' blocked a Jeff Reed extra point attempt in a 13-9 Steelers loss Saturday in Heinz Field. Green Bay's Michael Montgomery bolted between long-snapper Greg Warren and right guard Chris Kemoeatu to block the kick.

Warren served as the Steelers long-snapper the past two seasons and was the only long-snapper in training camp until Retkofsky was re-signed. It was not immediately known whether the signing was a reaction by Coach Mike Tomlin, who has put extra emphasis and practice time on special teams play this summer, to the blocked kick and whether or not it was Warren's fault.

Retkofsky (6-5, 260) played at TCU, where he was a reserve defensive lineman and the team's long-snapper.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07225/809167-66.stm

fansince'76
08-13-2007, 02:54 PM
The Steelers today released rookie linebacker Matt King and re-signed rookie long-snapper Jared Retkofsky.

I hope this isn't just a knee-jerk reaction to getting the extra point blocked the other night.

83-Steelers-43
08-13-2007, 02:55 PM
It was not immediately known whether the signing was a reaction by Coach Mike Tomlin, who has put extra emphasis and practice time on special teams play this summer,

It's good to see that Tomlin is not simply waiting around to see how the rest of the preseason pans out before he makes adjustments and decisions in order to get our ST unit ready and playing at a NFL level. I like it.

The Duke
08-13-2007, 02:59 PM
I've been thinking, do we really need Greg Warren on the team, can't just some other lieman or backup lineman take that job. That's a roster spot we could use if we don't have warren. Though he's been great for us, not perfect, but a good player, that could easily be replaced

Preacher
08-13-2007, 03:01 PM
Sure is nice to see a head coach react to what was happening.

83-Steelers-43
08-13-2007, 03:46 PM
Warren was never much of a blocker and from what I saw during that Packers game, he blew his assignment which allowed the inside charge on the blocked kick. Maybe that was the final straw? What does this move say about him? Bringing in a rookie LS to take/compete for your job.

I'm just happy Tomlin is not waiting until the end of September when the problem actually hurts us, to nip this problem in the butt or taking the nonchalant wait and see approach with this situation.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
08-13-2007, 06:31 PM
Warren was never much of a blocker and from what I saw during that Packers game, he blew his assignment which allowed the inside charge on the blocked kick. Maybe that was the final straw? What does this move say about him? Bringing in a rookie LS to take/compete for your job.

And hopefully we can pay him less money although I dont imagine Warren makes much anyway.

OneForTheToe
08-13-2007, 06:56 PM
I've been thinking, do we really need Greg Warren on the team, can't just some other lieman or backup lineman take that job. That's a roster spot we could use if we don't have warren. Though he's been great for us, not perfect, but a good player, that could easily be replaced

I'd say having someone who can consistently get a good snap off on a field goal attempt or pat is more important than who fills the 6th wide out position, or 8th linebacker spot. How often do players that deep in the roster even play? On the other hand, the long- snapper will play in a number of plays in every game - many times in game winning situatons.

Also, I'd doubt if any of our centers have much experience with snapping on fgs or pats. I know Okobi hasn't snapped much in the past years. Mahan has been playing guard so that's probably a ditto. I am not sure about Marvin Phillip, but since many colleges use specialists for long-snaps, it would surprise me if he had much experience.

tony hipchest
08-13-2007, 07:19 PM
in 2005, the year of our sb run we cut veteran long snapper mike schneck in favor of udfa g. warren in a move that saved $500,000. the move didnt hurt us winning a sb.

i believe a long snapper who is trained in that specialty is important. (c. gardocki never had a punt blocked) and its too late to start training some back up to do it.

warren hasnt been bad and is no more expensive than who we brought in today. id prefer having the veteran who has performed on the biggest stage. hopefully this is just to send a message. perhaps retkofsky turns out to be the better man. either way, it is a pro active approach and isnt just the lip service we have become accustomed to.

i wonder what hines ward thinks of the potential of warren losing his job???

Preacher
08-13-2007, 07:23 PM
in 2005, the year of our sb run we cut veteran long snapper mike schneck in favor of udfa g. warren in a move that saved $500,000. the move didnt hurt us winning a sb.

i believe a long snapper who is trained in that specialty is important. (c. gardocki never had a punt blocked) and its too late to start training some back up to do it.

warren hasnt been bad and is no more expensive than who we brought in today. id prefer having the veteran who has performed on the biggest stage. hopefully this is just to send a message. perhaps retkofsky turns out to be the better man. either way, it is a pro active approach and isn't just the lip service we have become accustomed to.

i wonder what hines ward thinks of the potential of warren losing his job???

To the former, Thank goodness. To the latter, I think he knows that it doesn't matter at this point what he thinks. Again, thank goodness.

83-Steelers-43
08-13-2007, 07:25 PM
i wonder what hines ward thinks of the potential of warren losing his job???

Hines commented on the situation exactly 3 minutes and 22 seconds after the transaction....

"First it was Joey Porter. Soon it's going to be Faneca. Now we are bringing in the Subway spokesman, I don't know what the hell is goin on around here!!!"

"I'm buying this motha *bleepin* team when I retire"

stillers4me
08-13-2007, 07:46 PM
"It's chicken (bleep), I say.....chicken (bleep)!"

tony hipchest
08-13-2007, 08:05 PM
To the former, Thank goodness. To the latter, I think he knows that it doesn't matter at this point what he thinks. Again, thank goodness.for sure on both accounts. im just now catching up on stories such as hines voicing an opinion of a. smith laying the licks to the wr's in camp, and actually read tomlins excellent reaction to cedric complaining about not getting enough ball thrown his way. i really want to see hines retire a steelers although it really seems like he is one who is not yet "sold" on tomlin. he may be forced to make the same type of decision jerome did several years back. i certainly hope he jumps on board.

Hines commented on the situation exactly 3 minutes and 22 seconds after the transaction....

"First it was Joey Porter. Soon it's going to be Faneca. Now we are bringing in the Subway spokesman, I don't know what the hell is goin on around here!!!"

"I'm buying this motha *bleepin* team when I retire"

:sofunny::sofunny::sofunny:

SteelFist
08-13-2007, 10:17 PM
I hope this isn't just a knee-jerk reaction to getting the extra point blocked the other night.

If it is, it is a good one. Those kind of plays cannot continue. The current LS is (or was) the only one we had on the roster. Now there will be competition...and thats never a bad thing.

lamberts-lost-tooth
08-14-2007, 04:44 AM
in 2005, the year of our sb run we cut veteran long snapper mike schneck in favor of udfa g. warren in a move that saved $500,000. the move didnt hurt us winning a sb.

i believe a long snapper who is trained in that specialty is important. (c. gardocki never had a punt blocked) and its too late to start training some back up to do it.

warren hasnt been bad and is no more expensive than who we brought in today. id prefer having the veteran who has performed on the biggest stage. hopefully this is just to send a message. perhaps retkofsky turns out to be the better man. either way, it is a pro active approach and isnt just the lip service we have become accustomed to.

i wonder what hines ward thinks of the potential of warren losing his job???

Cant we sign Brad St. Louis from the Bengals...after all...he has won two games for us already.

Preacher
08-14-2007, 11:09 AM
Cant we sign Brad St. Louis from the Bengals...after all...he has won two games for us already.

Nope. keeping him on the Bungles roster means we have a 54 man roster!!

mental.apparition
08-14-2007, 11:56 AM
If it is, it is a good one. Those kind of plays cannot continue. The current LS is (or was) the only one we had on the roster. Now there will be competition...and thats never a bad thing.
It is a knee jerk reaction in my opinion that is more for show than anything else. Tomlin is embarrassed by the poor special team's play after he's dedicated a major part of his first camp to improving that 1/3 of the game.

I wonder why Kemoeateverything is getting a pass on this play. He was the RG who got stood up and shoulders turned creating a gap big enough for an NFL DT to jump through and block the kick. The long snapper can't be asked to do much beyond snap the ball and "get big" as Tomlin has stated.

Now in a move that looks to be more save face than anything else, Tomlin resigns the LS who wasn't good enough to bring to camp a month ago. This so the media and fans can go "ohhh, ahhh, Coach means business".

Later in the Packer's game the LG reports late to the field after the rest of the team is on the LOS. Seems to be a problem with special teams coaching and/or personnel other than the LS who has been damn near flawless in his 2 years in town.

Another special teams fiasco against the Packers was the second half punt return that would have gone for 6 had we not drafted a punter just as big and even faster than our #1 and #2 LBs from this draft.

To say special teams are a mess right now is putting it mildly.

83-Steelers-43
08-15-2007, 09:22 AM
This so the media and fans can go "ohhh, ahhh, Coach means business

I respectfully disagree with you MA. IMO, he did it so the players can go "ohhh, ahhh, Coach means business". I doubt Tomlin signed the kid in order to appease the fans and media. I don't think Tomlin gives a damn about what the fans or media feels he should do. He's trying to light a fire and let the players know that if you screw up, he will find or at least threaten you with somebody who will not.

Will the kid beat out Warren? Probably not. Is the kid a legitimate threat? It's a possibility if Warren continues to blows it like he did last game.

If anything, it's Tomlin making a point to the players. Not to the media and fans.

Mike Tomlin's style and how radically different it is from Bill Cowher's was on display this week. When players weren't doing their jobs, Tomlin, unlike Cowher, didn't snarl about accountability. With barely a word, he re-signed long snapper Jared Retkofsky, who had been cut before camp. In doing so, Tomlin quietly let long snapper Greg Warren know -- and everyone else on the team -- that failure to do the job can result in dismissal, not a scowl. That's the kind of language players understand.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07227/809532-194.stm

mental.apparition
08-15-2007, 11:44 AM
I respectfully disagree with you MA. IMO, he did it so the players can go "ohhh, ahhh, Coach means business". I doubt Tomlin signed the kid in order to appease the fans and media. I don't think Tomlin gives a damn about what the fans or media feels he should do. He's trying to light a fire and let the players know that if you screw up, he will find or at least threaten you with somebody who will not.

Will the kid beat out Warren? Probably not. Is the kid a legitimate threat? It's a possibility if Warren continues to blows it like he did last game.

If anything, it's Tomlin making a point to the players. Not to the media and fans.



Thats all fine and dandy except Warren wasn't at fault.

If Tomlin wanted to light a fire under the culprit that would be Kemo. What kind of message does re-signing a LS that wasn't good enough to bring to camp to Kemo?

Have you re-watched the play? Kemo is clearly at fault. The coaches see that and the players will know that.

"Sending a message to the players" doesn't fit in this case. Respectfully, of course.

83-Steelers-43
08-15-2007, 11:48 AM
Thats all fine and dandy except Warren wasn't at fault.

If Tomlin wanted to light a fire under the culprit that would be Kemo. What kind of message does re-signing a LS that wasn't good enough to bring to camp to Kemo?

Have you re-watched the play? Kemo is clearly at fault. The coaches see that and the players will know that.

"Sending a message to the players" doesn't fit in this case. Respectfully, of course.

From what I saw at the game (have not seen the replay since), it looked to me Warren blew it which allowed the inside charge. After snapping the ball, it seemed as if Warren fell over head first into the ground. I understand a LS blocking down low after the snap is probably the norm, but it looked odd to me at the time or that something wasn't right about Warren and sure enough it was blocked.

While I did not see the replay or study the film like Mike Tomlin did before bringing Retkofsky back, but from what I saw (or thought I saw), it looked like Warren did nothing or little to nothing when it came to blocking on that play.

Eitherway, thankfully the move is not hurting the team by bringing him in. So I guess it's irrelevant for the most part. If this is the biggest 'mistake' Tomlin makes all season, I'll be a happy camper..:smile:.