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tony hipchest
08-19-2007, 12:29 AM
the bus is gone. russell got stonewalled at the goal line on a couple of valiant attempts. yet i see highlights of marion barber of dallas just leaping the pile for a touchdown.

i cant remember the last time a steeler running back did (or was allowed to do) that.

is it me or are the steelers not allowed to do this? do they ALWAYS have to try and pound it in?

fansince'76
08-19-2007, 12:31 AM
Well, I remember the Bus doing it once, but like you said, he's gone. I remember a few of the guys giving him a hard time about it on the sidelines too - "Air Bus." :chuckle:

rbryan
08-19-2007, 12:37 AM
While were on the topic of Goal line offense, I wouldn't mind seeing a play action pass to Heath every now and then down there. Are they ever gonna use this guy?? Why did we draft another TE again???

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
08-19-2007, 12:55 AM
The musical chairs with the offensive line brings me back to the nightmare that was the 2003 season when we went 6 and 10. How the offensive line goes Ben, Willie and the Steelers will go. I don't have warm fuzzes about this unit as a matter of fact I'm down right scared. :sweating:

It also appears the defense can't get off the field on 3rd and long.... again.

The bright stop so far is Sepulvedia the guy is money his punts have been averaging 50 yards. :tt02:

tony hipchest
08-19-2007, 01:00 AM
Why did we draft another TE again???because 3 of them creates an even bigger pile for the running back to run into and settle for a field goal.

actually on 3rd and goal 3 te's, ward, and willie (or even verron or davis) as the lone back should be a very good and unpredictable formation to score off of.

willie can leap the pile though. we no longer have an offensive line that is going to shove a goalline defense back a yard (i wonder if they can even open holes in that situation anymore)..

Preacher
08-19-2007, 01:04 AM
I am hopefully going watch the Steelers put the Oline together, see them gell, and now have a problem.


I can dream right?

Galax Steeler
08-19-2007, 07:45 AM
I agree tony it don't seem like we can push the deffense back any.I like russell but if you can't get the holes open we can't score.

moedap
08-19-2007, 12:21 PM
Bettis was excellent at reading the blocks very quickly. Usually on the goalline situations he wasnt trying to ram his head in his O lines back and push the crowd. He would know the play. know the linemans assigned block and from that he knew what hole to pick and his infamous "juke" would assure the LB never had a head to head hit on him. The LB would usually have to arm grab Bettis who would then drag the LB into the endzone. Willie looks as if he studied and incorporated that "little juke" of Bettis he just doesnt have the same strength to pull the LB's.

The Duke
08-19-2007, 12:39 PM
Well, we could always use Kuhn to jump over the pile :wink02:

tony hipchest
08-19-2007, 12:44 PM
"Air Kuhn"!!!!

now thats what im talking about. it just seems like teams wanna walk into the endzone in goal line situations and leaping the pile is a dying play. i guess it does have its risks of injury and such. still, i would like to see if any steelers can actually do it (besides kuhn of course)

rpkachik
08-19-2007, 06:10 PM
I know its dangerous, but I would mind seeing willie try for the edge in goal line situations for two reasons:
1) he is damn fast
2) we kind of show our hand when he leaves in goal line situation

Line up single back, 3 TEs, pull the guard and let willie try for the edge.

yinzer-inseattle
08-19-2007, 06:55 PM
It would not surprise me if Cowher didn't call or allow the goal line leap. It really doesn't fit with the smash mouth philosophy ( a bit of a punk out if you think about it). On the other hand a score is a score. I bet Willie could have some success with that.

NV STEELERS 723
08-19-2007, 09:08 PM
I think its a dangerous move with the neck and head being highlighted to hit by inside linebackers that weigh 260+...We risk a ton of injury to our RB'S...

Willie could do it but I think its best he don't.... Walter Payton was the best at it.... -RIP Walter-

Preacher
08-20-2007, 02:55 AM
I think its a dangerous move with the neck and head being highlighted to hit by inside linebackers that weigh 260+...We risk a ton of injury to our RB'S...

Willie could do it but I think its best he don't.... Walter Payton was the best at it.... -RIP Walter-

Your probably right.

And a player in teh air is ALWAYS more open for injury then when they are on the ground.

delhess
08-20-2007, 06:50 AM
wasn't bettis trying to jump the pile on the famous fumble in the colts playoff game?

delhess
08-20-2007, 06:51 AM
Funny thing, anyone else notice , while russell was in the pile getting nowhere , his FB Davis was standing to the side of the pile. Just thought it looked funny

RE-SIGN KREIDER!

tony hipchest
08-20-2007, 10:47 AM
delhess, jerome was trying to sidestep the defender in the hole when he fumbled.

It would not surprise me if Cowher didn't call or allow the goal line leap. It really doesn't fit with the smash mouth philosophy ( a bit of a punk out if you think about it). On the other hand a score is a score. I bet Willie could have some success with that.i think there may be something to this theory. remember in the SB highlight dvd after bens controversial td? during the replay and review, theres that sideline clip of polamalu lobbying cowher to let him jump the pile. as he's saying he can do it, cowher is just looking at him crazy as if hes thinking "yeah, whatever troy, now go sit down". :coffee:

troy can leap tall buildings in a single bound. i dont think its that bad of an idea.

SteelFist
08-20-2007, 02:07 PM
Maybe we're saving it for the Browns. Jump right over that pile of :poop:.

OneForTheToe
08-20-2007, 02:17 PM
Maybe we're saving it for the Browns. Jump right over that pile of :poop:.

I just think we picked the wrong rb to jump the :poop: - always go with experience. :coffee:

revefsreleets
08-20-2007, 05:11 PM
You know who used to leap over the pile a lot? Kordell Stewart. I think I'd rather just have the guys stay on the ground and run it in, thank you.

NV STEELERS 723
08-20-2007, 05:50 PM
delhess, jerome was trying to sidestep the defender in the hole when he fumbled.

i think there may be something to this theory. remember in the SB highlight dvd after bens controversial td? during the replay and review, theres that sideline clip of polamalu lobbying cowher to let him jump the pile. as he's saying he can do it, cowher is just looking at him crazy as if hes thinking "yeah, whatever troy, now go sit down". :coffee:

troy can leap tall buildings in a single bound. i dont think its that bad of an idea.

LOL....When the NFL'S best safety has a helmet to helmet injury trying to be a RB ; jumping over a pile...;, I think you'll feel different!

yinzer-inseattle
08-20-2007, 10:17 PM
Your probably right.

And a player in teh air is ALWAYS more open for injury then when they are on the ground.

Sorry Preach have to disagree. Peyton and Dorsett both big leapers. Not bad in the speed and elusiveness department either. I say Willie should join them: tt03:

When did either of them ever get hurt on a leap?

Preacher
08-21-2007, 12:55 AM
Sorry Preach have to disagree. Peyton and Dorsett both big leapers. Not bad in the speed and elusiveness department either. I say Willie should join them: tt03:

When did either of them ever get hurt on a leap?

When a person is planted on the ground... they have control over their bodies. It is easier to plant, cut, even protect themselves. When they are in the air, they have no control... any hit from a wierd angle will push them askew.. and that is when pulled back muscles, broken wrists, etc. etc. happen.

Look at receivers across the middle... it is almost ALWAYS more violent when the guy is in the air because you simply don't have control of your momentum.

That was one thing we were absolutely taught when I played contact sports... if you think your going to be hit... DONT JUMP!

Crushzilla
08-21-2007, 12:59 AM
Maybe we should take two of those TEs and create a basket toss scenario where we toss the smallest guy on the team, preferably through the uprights...

Would that count as a Field Goal?

Do we even know if Willie has ANY vertical? I think the idea has been for so long that we pound the rock, that the alley-oop never really came up.

That is something that should be considered under the new regime.

I also have to agree with Yinzer.

How many guys get hurt leaping over the pile. I feel like we're all a little gunshy. We have to stop handling these guy's with kid's gloves...

tony hipchest
08-21-2007, 01:04 AM
When a person is planted on the ground... they have control over their bodies. It is easier to plant, cut, even protect themselves. When they are in the air, they have no control... any hit from a wierd angle will push them askew.. and that is when pulled back muscles, broken wrists, etc. etc. happen.

Look at receivers across the middle... it is almost ALWAYS more violent when the guy is in the air because you simply don't have control of your momentum.

That was one thing we were absolutely taught when I played contact sports... if you think your going to be hit... DONT JUMP!i'd have to say you were taught wrong. if youre hit in the leg and your leg is planted, you run the risk of tearing ligaments, tendons, or breaking bones. if youre hit in the air, the worst you usually get is a bruise cause no body part is planted.

case in point: i think it was tiki barber who was recently interviewed about his longevity and ability to avoid serious injury in his career. he said the one thing he always tried to do before getting hit was hop into the air right before impact so no part of his body (primarilly the legs) was planted into the turf. tiki barber is one who walked away from the game and will continue walking for years to come.

the simple physics of the game say you will absorb less impact to the head and neck if you are hit while flying through the air as opposed to taking the same impact while you are thrusting with your feet on the ground.

its like chopping wood. is the better way to throw it in the air and strike the log with an ax or to place it on the ground and split it?

tony hipchest
08-21-2007, 01:11 AM
How many guys get hurt leaping over the pile. I feel like we're all a little gunshy. We have to stop handling these guy's with kid's gloves...
i remember an early 90's MNF game in chicago where emmitt smith scored the game winning td leaping the pile. he was way over the goalline and the bears didnt bother catching him and split like the red sea. he landed on his head and i thought his career was over.

he only went on to break walters rushing record :hunch:.

Preacher
08-21-2007, 01:26 AM
i'd have to say you were taught wrong. if youre hit in the leg and your leg is planted, you run the risk of tearing ligaments, tendons, or breaking bones. if youre hit in the air, the worst you usually get is a bruise cause no body part is planted.

case in point: i think it was tiki barber who was recently interviewed about his longevity and ability to avoid serious injury in his career. he said the one thing he always tried to do before getting hit was hop into the air right before impact so no part of his body (primarilly the legs) was planted into the turf. tiki barber is one who walked away from the game and will continue walking for years to come.

the simple physics of the game say you will absorb less impact to the head and neck if you are hit while flying through the air as opposed to taking the same impact while you are thrusting with your feet on the ground.

its like chopping wood. is the better way to throw it in the air and strike the log with an ax or to place it on the ground and split it?

Tone...

I am talking about the body being out of control. When you are in the air... you have NO control of yourself. I understand what your saying, and yes, pull up the foot before you get hit... but when your in the air... you have only gravity and the other guy's momentum to depend on.

tony hipchest
08-21-2007, 01:50 AM
Tone...

I am talking about the body being out of control. When you are in the air... you have NO control of yourself. I understand what your saying, and yes, pull up the foot before you get hit... but when your in the air... you have only gravity and the other guy's momentum to depend on.the others guy's momentum is always an equation in football whether one is on the ground, or several feet above it. this doesnt scare football players, nor should it.

and to bring up a baseball analogy of through the air, there is no way one should run at full speed down the street and jump, and bellyflop onto the pavement (asphalt, or astroturf covered concrete). however, outfielders in 3 rivers and veterans stadium did that on a regular basis diving for fly balls all the time. did they risk injury? yes. were they paid handsomly for that risk? definitely. was that risk looked at as part of the job? of couse. does the desire to win erase all those risks? absolutely.

if i can play full contact football in the park with no pads for sheer love of the game (where the scores of a pick up game dont matter), i kinda expect the same from professionals. sure an emmit smith may get hurt, but a ladainian tomlinson with my heart and desire will come along to replace him.

this is football. it has risks, and now fans want their players to take less of them than paired ice dancers do in the olympic ice skating competition.

Preacher
08-21-2007, 03:16 AM
the others guy's momentum is always an equation in football whether one is on the ground, or several feet above it. this doesnt scare football players, nor should it.

and to bring up a baseball analogy of through the air, there is no way one should run at full speed down the street and jump, and bellyflop onto the pavement (asphalt, or astroturf covered concrete). however, outfielders in 3 rivers and veterans stadium did that on a regular basis diving for fly balls all the time. did they risk injury? yes. were they paid handsomly for that risk? definitely. was that risk looked at as part of the job? of couse. does the desire to win erase all those risks? absolutely.

if i can play full contact football in the park with no pads for sheer love of the game (where the scores of a pick up game dont matter), i kinda expect the same from professionals. sure an emmit smith may get hurt, but a ladainian tomlinson with my heart and desire will come along to replace him.

this is football. it has risks, and now fans want their players to take less of them than paired ice dancers do in the olympic ice skating competition.


I absolutely agree that they should do what they can... I am not saying don't go into the air.

I am just wondering about what Cowher and the OC was saying... Could it be don't go up... cause it is easier to get hurt... and for the most part... the Steelers didn't have anyone to back Bettis up.

Then again, maybe they didn't want to be responsible for the earthquake when Bettis landed!!