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tony hipchest
08-27-2007, 05:56 PM
the wins dont matter, and weve seen and discussed the bad and the ugly. now for the good:

240 offensive plays- 120 rushes, 121 pass = balance

d. sepulveda is 3rd in net average punting 41.6 (amongst those with more than 5 punts). strangely enough m. barr is 1st with a 43.8 average of his 6 punts = greatly improved punt coverage.

defense has allowed 13 points total in the 1st half of the 4 exhibition games. 10 in the 1st quarter, 3 in the 2nd. = our starters and 2nd teamers are on pace to give up only 104 points for the season. :jammin: move over baltimore. :chuckle:

the most points scored against us was 13 (phil, gb).

b. keisel said the defense they ran against philadelphia was still pretty vanilla. :jawdrop:

ben is 3rd in the league in passing yards. although he has played 4 games he is 12th in the number of attempts amongst the top 15 yardage leaders.

in the critical 3rd week of preseason where we saw offensive explosions from p. rivers, p. manning, t. brady, in a little over a half of work, ben had the 2nd highest passing total with 247 yds and won the game!

ben has a gargantuan 10.0 yards per attempt. league leader amongst projected starters, and #4 overall.
ben-10.0
gerrard- 10.2
batch- 12.6
k. warner- 13.3 (#1 over all)
mcnabb- 9.9

amongst the top 50 passers so far c. batch is 3rd with a 78.3 completion % (18/23)
k. warner 83.3% (15/18)
drew brees 80.0% (36/45) :jawdrop: (thats sick)
p. manning 77.5% (31/40)

the steelers 1st teamers made brees, favre, and mcnabb, look fairly pedestrian and we only got a small taste of what j. campbell can do.

when willie parker fumbled at the goal line it wasnt carelessness, lack of focus or fundamentals. it was just a case of "balls of steel" as he tried to bowl over 3 linebackers with no other steeler in sight. (not even alan "the matador" faneca). with limited action willie looks, bigger, stronger, and just as fast and shifty, with no trepidation whatsoever. imagine dumping d. staley and k. barlow and still being better equipped with a stable of backs who can help relieve the burden and keep willie fresh.

Disclaimer- i know pre season stats dont mean nuthin. there are plenty of threads focusing on the bad and the ugly. dont mean we cant shift our focus to the good things going on.

Dylan
08-27-2007, 06:24 PM
good find..preseason stats mean nothing at all though to me..

tony hipchest
08-27-2007, 06:57 PM
:coffee:good find..preseason stats mean nothing at all though to me..

:yawn:

c. batch's passer rating of 133.2 is 2nd only to k. warners 137.3. k. wisenhunt connection with back up qb's or just coincidence?

ben has half as many interceptions as tom brady and only jt o'sullivan and tyler palko have more.

Borski
08-27-2007, 10:25 PM
240 offensive plays- 120 rushes, 121 pass = balance

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I'm not great at math, but looks like that equals 241:wink02:

Providence Steel
08-27-2007, 11:01 PM
Why the fumble by Parker happened is of no consequence. The fact is...it's ANOTHER fumble inside the 10. Those kinds of fumbles cost the Steelers last year and isnt is great the Parker is right back on track where he left off?

I hope Tomlin has the nads to bench him if he does it again.

tony hipchest
08-27-2007, 11:23 PM
:coffee:Why the fumble by Parker happened is of no consequence. The fact is...it's ANOTHER fumble inside the 10. Those kinds of fumbles cost the Steelers last year and isnt is great the Parker is right back on track where he left off?

I hope Tomlin has the nads to bench him if he does it again.:yawn:

( the cheesegrater av has never seemed more appropriate.)

Preacher
08-28-2007, 12:25 AM
I'm not great at math, but looks like that equals 241:wink02:

:sofunny::sofunny::sofunny::sofunny:


Keep Tony in his place!!!

Preacher
08-28-2007, 12:27 AM
:coffee::yawn:

( the cheesegrater av has never seemed more appropriate.)


I gotta agree.

I wonder if he thinks we need a "Smashmouth-back". You know, Another Bettis.

:banging::banging:

HometownGal
08-28-2007, 06:48 AM
Why the fumble by Parker happened is of no consequence. The fact is...it's ANOTHER fumble inside the 10. Those kinds of fumbles cost the Steelers last year and isnt is great the Parker is right back on track where he left off?

I hope Tomlin has the nads to bench him if he does it again.

Relax - it was a preseason game.

I'll join you in that cup of java, Tony. :coffee:

Buzz05
08-28-2007, 07:29 AM
b. keisel said the defense they ran against philadelphia was still pretty vanilla. :jawdrop:


I wonder what the neopolitan version is going to be like then? :tt02:

delhess
08-28-2007, 10:23 AM
preseason is all vanilla. the add the chocolate later and put a little nuts on it too....

in a month no one will care about preseason stats, but it something to talk about for now. nice job on the stats.

tony hipchest
08-28-2007, 06:08 PM
as meaningless as preseason stats are, theyre obviously still worth a look and mention....

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07240/812648-66.stm

Between The Lines: A Steelers postgame analysis
Tuesday, August 28, 2007
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Lies, statistics and damn statistics! Or is it stats and rats?

NFL preseason data sometimes is the worst barometer of things to come in the regular season. Often, they are as valuable as spring-training home runs in baseball.

Some players pile up statistics in the second halves against inferior competition. Others have more yards, more tackles, more this or that because they play longer than anyone else.

Most preseason games are meaningless when it comes to indicating how a team will perform when it counts. But the one Thursday night in Carolina may be the most meaningless of all. The object in that game is to keep everyone healthy, and that usually means keeping the first team on the bench for 99 percent of the snaps.

A look back


Undrafted rookie Gary Russell seems headed for the Steelers' preseason rushing title, a dubious distinction. He has 129 yards rushing on 28 carries. Last year, Duce Staley led the Steelers in the preseason with 92 yards on 42 carries, and everyone knows what happened to him. John Kuhn was second with 80 yards on 18 carries and opened the season on the practice squad before making the roster later in the year. In 2005, Noah Herron led the team with 149 yards rushing and was cut. Russell is competing for a roster spot behind Willie Parker and Najeh Davenport at halfback. If the Steelers keep five backs, that means Russell must beat out fullback Dan Kreider, halfback/fullback Carey Davis or halfback/fullback Verron Haynes. It says here it will come down to Russell vs. Haynes.



Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has thrown no touchdown passes and one interception. In the 2005 preseason, he threw no touchdown passes and two interceptions and completed only 44.4 percent of his tosses. He had a 32.8 passer rating that preseason. Roethlisberger has had a mixed preseason in 2007, but, as history shows, it's way above the one he had in 2005 before leading his team to a Super Bowl victory. The way the coaches have experimented in the line, and without Parker for the first two games and most of the time in the third game, it would be tough for any quarterback to shine under the circumstances. Still, Roethlisberger should have hit Hines Ward at the 2 for a 19-yard touchdown pass Sunday. Ward was open on a slant, and Roethlisberger threw it behind him. Charlie Batch has done everything right in the preseason, topped by a brief appearance Sunday in which he was 3 for 3 for 65 yards. He has completed 18 of 23 passes for 289 yards with no interceptions and one touchdown. In his case, the stats measure the standards of his play.



Philadelphia's John Runyan has been a good NFL tackle and is entering his 12th season. Rookie LaMarr Woodley, rushing from the Steelers' left side, made Runyan look old. He brushed past Runyan, who made a pitiful attempt to block him. Woodley might do that to a lot of right tackles this year and could be an important piece to the Steelers' hopes of improving their pass rush. They had three sacks in the first half Sunday night, four total, and Woodley got one of them -- his second -- along with a forced fumble.



Again, consider that they are preseason statistics, but Mike Barr has outpunted rookie Daniel Sepulveda. Sepulveda has averaged 43.9 yards a punt with five of his 12 punts going inside the 20 -- not counting the one Sunday night that went out of bounds at his own 20. Barr averaged 45.0 yards on six punts with two of them inside the 20. Sepulveda may be the Steelers' punter for a long time. But Barr, who ended his fourth summer with the Steelers when he was cut yesterday, has shown he can be a competent punter in the NFL.



Willie Reid likely will make the Steelers as their fifth wide receiver. He may not make it at his specialty, punt-returner. Reid muffed another punt Sunday night -- he recovered and lost 5 yards -- and has done nothing to back up his exceptional statistics as a return man in college. Cedrick Wilson has shown a good ability at returning punts and could get first crack at that in the regular season. He has averaged 13.8 yards on four returns and looks confident doing it.



Nobody is complaining about Nate Washington dropping passes anymore. After dropping two in the preseason opener, Washington has caught virtually everything thrown to him. Sunday night, he snapped up Batch's perfect throw on a post route and tried to stretch the ball over the goal line as he was tackled. He came up a yard short, but that went down as a 30-yard catch to go with his other of 18 yards. He and Hines Ward are tied for the preseason lead with eight receptions.



Rookie Lawrence Timmons did not turn into Lawrence Taylor in his most extensive action of the preseason. If he had been practicing throughout training camp, his performance Sunday night might be described as disappointing for the Steelers' top draft pick. For all the progress he was said to have made in his two weeks of practice after missing so much time with a groin injury, it did not show -- and it should not have been expected. He missed virtually all spring with the injury and most of training camp. It was his second preseason game. Timmons made a great tackle on a punt return, and, perhaps, that will be where he helps them out the most early, in the kicking game.

peter king commented on drew brees' out of this world stats, since playing the steelers:

Quote of the Week VII
"I can tell you about every one of those four incompletions that should be complete.''

-- New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees, who has completed 35 of 39 passes in his last three preseason games.
:jawdrop: