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I.C. Lights
09-26-2005, 08:46 AM
They played a good game against us, refused to loose and beat us fair and square. Yes, it is getting tiring, but we looked good too - we didn't show the Pats that much and we still hung in there literally to the last second. After the game, I was disappointed, but at least had the comfort of knowing we lost to a good, classy team. But then...

? I'm sure the Steeler fans hate us here. They hate when we are running out. It's kinda fun. What more could you ask. There was 1:21 left. We've seen that before. I looked up and saw a minute and 21 seconds left and said, 'What more could you want?'? T. Brady...

This is a pretty immature and pompous statement coming from a quarterback who I generally looked at as pretty classy. I don't know if he was frustrated that he wasn't able to steamroll over us or from the interceptions or lingering doubts from the Carolina game, or all of the above, but something's different about this year's Brady. Coupled with the tasteless gestures of Don Davis and the New England D after injuring Ben, I am slightly amused by how the Patriots standards have dropped now that they are just a little vulnerable. It will be interesting to see how this plays out and how it will affect them in the future...

The JoKeR
09-26-2005, 09:23 AM
A few weeks ago, there was an article in (I think) sports illustrated that Brady stated he wanted to shed that "golden boy image". He's always been a classy guy, but you're right...he does seem to be loosing come of it.

Livinginthe past
09-26-2005, 09:50 AM
I think after a while you get sick and tired of taking the high road against moron supporters. Brady has been fantastic at being the humble victor over the last few years - this seems to garner him very little respect.

I think its fussy and more than a little churlish to comment on Brady's 'lack of class' - when you have a stadium full of people willing him to lose - and some of whom who actually do flat out hate him.

We have done 'holier than thou' for the last 4 years to great effect - Don Davis certainly wasn't cheering a potential injury to Ben - just celebrating a adrenaline pumping play - the sort I seen from Steelers blitzers all night.

We are a football team and we have a football attitude - for all your 'smashmouth run it through you' attitude - a couple of posters on here obviously would like it to be a non-contact sport - but only when the Steelers are on offense.

Cheers

NM

Suitanim
09-26-2005, 09:53 AM
Yeah, I don't see Brady's statements as being anything other than a competitor who's fired up after a big win...He knows their is a pretty intense rivalry between these teams, and his team came out on top. I don't think he was floating at all, just pumped up after a win.

Let's not start reading too deeply into the minutia here...

Ambridge
09-26-2005, 10:19 AM
I'm no fan of Brady but what can you say.........he comes up big when needed.
Like most clutch athletes they thrive on pressure situations and enjoy the challenge of over coming.

I don't think Brady was being cocky with his statement. He's just been through and has had success with that kind of late game scenario before.

hardwork
09-26-2005, 10:37 AM
"I looked up and saw a minute and 21 seconds left and said, 'What more could you want?'" T. Brady..."

'What more could you want' from a player? That's Tom Brady. He loves being in that position. The only other player I've seen around here who wanted to be in that kind of situation as much as Brady was Larry Bird.

SteelersWyo
09-26-2005, 11:01 AM
I'm getting sick of the Pats also, but how about the Steelers beat them? How may times do they have to come into Heinz field and hand us out @ss!! Regular season losses, AFC Championship losses. Beat Brady on a regular basis and he will shut up. As for his comments, nothing over the top. Just the truth about his play against the Steelers. And yes the truth hurts.

I.C. Lights
09-26-2005, 11:52 AM
"I looked up and saw a minute and 21 seconds left and said, 'What more could you want?'" T. Brady..."

'What more could you want' from a player? That's Tom Brady. He loves being in that position. The only other player I've seen around here who wanted to be in that kind of situation as much as Brady was Larry Bird.


This is not the part of the quote to which I was referring. I'm sorry for the confusion. I was referring to the part where Brady puts himself on a pedestal from which he can laugh at what he perceives to be the irrational nature of Steeler's fans who "hate" him. The problem with his statement is that it makes Steelers fans look like we have a personally vendetta against the Patriots, which most of us - or at least I - do not. I just think it was irresponsible.

Living, you are definitely a fair and levelheaded poster, so I will try to take your advice and forget about the Brady thing, but I disagree with the contention that Brady has garnered little respect for his demeanor. There are countless posts in this, Steelers, forum extolling Brady and the Pats for class and sportsmanship - in addition to just playing great football. That is the whole reason this post is here. I'm not saying that the Patriots have a lack of class (don't know who you were quoting there either), just that it seems to be falling by the wayside - and that's disappointing because they have held themselves out to a higher standard. That's all. They're still leagues above the Ratbirds in this respect.

You are, however, dead wrong about the gestures. If you care to watch the clip again you will see that well after Ben was in pain on the ground players were waiving their hands in a "get him out of here" expression. The Steelers did absolutely no such thing.

OK, sorry for the rant :blah: , just wanted to explain myself. This, of course, is all besides the main point is that the Pats did a great job against us and we'll sure as heck be ready for them in the playoffs!

ironcitychef
09-26-2005, 11:53 AM
How about Bill B. just saying Brady was "good" in the 4th. Yeah any "good" QB could have taken the same hits and been perfect. He still could have remained cliche and given Brady a little more credit.

Koopa
09-26-2005, 01:27 PM
there something different about brady ever since after winning his third superbowl, he has a different vide comin out of him like he's really an asshole who was fronting all these years and now that he's proven he's a winner he's just letting it all out. i hope he gets popped in the mouth cause i don't like the way brady is now

BlitzburghRockCity
09-26-2005, 02:07 PM
You have to have a certain amount of confidence and swagger to play in the league. It doesnt mean that you act like TO or Randy Moss, but you have to have some pride and swagger about you

I.C. Lights
09-26-2005, 03:26 PM
True, and I have nothing against confidence and swagger on the field (btw this does not include taunting), you just gotta handle yourself differently off the field. Pluss remember we are comparing this year's Brady to the Brady that had already won two superbowls...he didn't seem as cocky then, so why does he feel the need now?

PS: My apologies for starting this post in the wrong forum...

Livinginthe past
09-27-2005, 12:54 AM
I think we all agree that his demeanor has been a little different this year - I wouldn't say he has made a concious decision to be a different person - just letting a little of the 'real him' come out.

Lets face it, when you have seen the look of pure steely determination he gets when there is a game winning drive in the offing - you just know this aint no regular nice guy!

I have to suppose that he stuck with the party line laid down down BB - be humble and never draw attention to yourself - for the first few years of his career.

Now he think its time to assert his personality on the team - he is our leader on the field - and whether he likes it or not he is the person his team go to for inspiration.

Personally, I love the new, or should I say REAL, Brady - most of the 'aw shucks' persona from before could be termed as false modesty - you know this guy wont quit til he has it won.

I think it makes for a great mix - with our logical, efficent coach - with his cold blooded assassin QB keeping his troops in line on the field.

Also, dont lets forget Brady is only a young man - everyones personality changes quite a bit in their early/mid twenties.

Cheers

NM

Soldier4Steelers
09-27-2005, 01:18 AM
some people are just boring. he makes up for it on the field 10 fold, he has the eyes of someone in combat when he drives his players downfield!!! no joke. but he is a 3 of clubs in a league of TO's and chad johnsons when it is time for lockeroom interviews. tom brady comes off as, well a "brady." but who cares when he wins games like he does. regardless, i hate his guts.

tom brady is a terrorist

Soldier4Steelers
09-27-2005, 01:26 AM
example....
TO does monday night soft-core porn

brady does a visa commercial involvin figurative metaphors

even manning had that funny commercial when he was cheering for his bankers!!

tony hipchest
09-27-2005, 01:33 PM
I think we all agree that his demeanor has been a little different this year - I wouldn't say he has made a concious decision to be a different person - just letting a little of the 'real him' come out.

Lets face it, when you have seen the look of pure steely determination he gets when there is a game winning drive in the offing - you just know this aint no regular nice guy!

I have to suppose that he stuck with the party line laid down down BB - be humble and never draw attention to yourself - for the first few years of his caree

Personally, I love the new, or should I say REAL, Brady - most of the 'aw shucks' persona from before could be termed as false modesty - you know this guy wont quit til he has it won.

I think it makes for a great mix - with our logical, efficent coach - with his cold blooded assassin QB keeping his troops in line on the field.

Also, dont lets forget Brady is only a young man - everyones personality changes quite a bit in their early/mid twenties.


Cheers

NM

jeff gordon in nascar had that same "aw shucks" fake personna and people hate him too. where as dale jr. who has been seen as keeping it real and not spewing the company line is a fan favorite. this is exactly the same with brady. many people will always look at him as fake, manufactured, almost like a bull sittin car salesman. its the price he will have to pay. i dont think he will ever be a fan favorite and the more he wins the more fans wil dislike him.

Suitanim
09-27-2005, 04:31 PM
As a Jeff Gordon fan since about 1993-94, I can say that the very opposite is true. EVERY driver had that country drawl, "aw shucks, dang ole" thing going on...Gordon was from California and Indiana, spoke without an accent, was clean cut and about my age, and could drive the doors off a race car. That's why I became a fan. Brady has fans because he wins...he could have any kind of persona he chooses, and, as long as he still wins with it, he'll be popular. People love winners...

hardwork
09-27-2005, 05:29 PM
"he has the eyes of someone in combat when he drives his players downfield!!! no joke."

That's right Ranger. Further, he had that look in his eye when he took the field Sunday before the game even started.

On most teams the crazy guys are the LBs or someone like that. Not on the Patriots. The craziest guy on the field is the QB, Tom Brady.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-27-2005, 05:47 PM
example....
TO does monday night soft-core porn

brady does a visa commercial involvin figurative metaphors

even manning had that funny commercial when he was cheering for his bankers!!

:rofl: that was great when he was tailgating in the parking lot at the office!

tony hipchest
09-27-2005, 05:53 PM
As a Jeff Gordon fan since about 1993-94, I can say that the very opposite is true. EVERY driver had that country drawl, "aw shucks, dang ole" thing going on...Gordon was from California and Indiana, spoke without an accent, was clean cut and about my age, and could drive the doors off a race car. That's why I became a fan. Brady has fans because he wins...he could have any kind of persona he chooses, and, as long as he still wins with it, he'll be popular. People love winners...
cool, another nascar fan. having rooted for gordon since then im sure you get my point that the squeeky clean, humble attitude, was too much for some fans can stomach. sure gordon will always be one of the most popular drivers but look at earnhardt jr. he has a huge fanbase and hasnt won crap. i guess this gets into the hero vs. the anti hero syndrome. probably 1 thing that has led to the steelers huge fanbase was that you had the dallas cowboys (hero) as americas team, and then you had the steelers (man in black) come knock them off. probably helped gordon get so many fans who disliked sr. now though gordon seems like the anti hero. brady seems like the "hero" to me that many fans like to root against. gordon does have a huge percentage of the fanbase but i dont think brady quite does. but the dynamics of autoracing is different. cars and drivers come and go. gordon is familiar. the more brady wins the more i think fans of the 31 other teams will become disgusted with it. im having a tough time with rusty retiring. i rooted for him because he drove a steelers colored car sponsored by a beer i liked and he turned out being pretty cool. can i hop on the gordon bandwagon? :grin: just messin'

Suitanim
09-27-2005, 06:13 PM
Junior had a HUGE advantage...he showed up during a void, and offered a chance to the old school Fans a way to stay true to the Southern roots of the sport. The sad fact is, Juniors popularity is initially tied into the old versus the new. His dad's fans needed a way to stay tied to the sport, and Dale Earnhardt Sr. was still incredibly popular at the time of his death...Jr's fan base starts there, but picks up by all the rest of the fans who wanted a chance to jump ship. It was an easy way to give up their old driver and follow a new one.

Brady is an entirely different story. For the most part, new fans (i.e. young fans, and women) will pick up on a winner like Brady. He does SNL, he poses for photo shoots, etc, etc...He attracts that transient NFL fan audience...and so do the Patriots, along the way. It's the "fashionable choice"...

How do I know? I did the same thing circa 1976. I latched onto the Steelers because I was young and didn't know shit about football, and the Steelers were winning back then. My other choice was the Cowboys. The difference for me was I stuck with them, thick and thin, and in Browns Country no less. Lot's of lean years in the 80's, especially when the Browns were perrenial contenders.

I have no tolerance for bandwagoners, namely because I personally "pick and stick"...

Soldier4Steelers
09-27-2005, 11:15 PM
"he has the eyes of someone in combat when he drives his players downfield!!! no joke."

That's right Ranger. Further, he had that look in his eye when he took the field Sunday before the game even started.

On most teams the crazy guys are the LBs or someone like that. Not on the Patriots. The craziest guy on the field is the QB, Tom Brady.

i know, its crazy. ray lewis, tom brady and randy moss have very intimidating "war faces." im not sure who i would pick to be in a fox hole with though.... prob lewis for his prior experience with fire arms... o lord there goes my rep.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-27-2005, 11:34 PM
I wouldnt take ray lewis into a fox hole with me, wearing that bright ass purple jersey is surely gonna give us away !!!

hardwork
09-27-2005, 11:39 PM
You're right, Ranger, Brady doesn't have much experience with fire arms. I'd still pick him though, and make sure he had a big bag of grenades.

Soldier4Steelers
09-27-2005, 11:59 PM
brady has death eyes, but like you ever see a kid about to get in a fight and he has this pissed look on his face.... and then all the sudden his lower lip quivers and starts crying??? i always think his lip is about to quiver and he is going to cry, but then he ruins my sunday and goes 12 for 12. i hate him so much.

hardwork
09-28-2005, 12:10 AM
That's the way a lot of the great ones are. Larry Bird would kill you before he let you beat him at badminton. Brady is another Bird.

ironcitychef
09-28-2005, 01:24 AM
I started to think about this...is this what the Raiders felt to us or the Vikings of the 70's? Is this what the Cavs felt everytime Jordan would hit that jumper. You would go back and look at film and stats and say its seems like we did the job, but the "W" just doesn't happen.

Brady though could have never pulled off shouting "Cut that meat".