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Suitanim
09-26-2005, 10:43 AM
Dust themselves off, and collect themselves. Yeah, we lost a close one, but it's a bye week, and we need to stay focused on the goal. Take the extra week and get everybody healthy for the 13 game stretch run. Remember, NE lost the battle last year, but ultimately won the War, and now we need to do the same.

The defensive collapse is disturbing, and NE moved the ball too easily. Better execution and cripser play is needed for the rest of the season. Overall, though, I think the defense will be fine.

The offense is a different story...there needs to be some changes. I'm concerned because NE just gave the rest of the NFL the gameplan to shut our O down. Personell doesn't even matter, since the Pats were short handed, meaning probably any team can execute the plan just as well or maybe better. They stuffed 10 in box, shut down the run, and pressured Ben into making mistakes. Considering how depleted their secondary was, that philosophy should have created all kinds of mismatches for us to exploit, but it didn't work that way. The WR's need to work on hot route running, coming back to the ball when Ben scrambles, and Ben needs to work on making faster reads and a quicker release.

Bottom line: Both teams played sloppy football, and the Pats pulled it together when it counted and we did not. Hopefully this was our "Ugly Game" and we got it out of our systems...But one game does not the season make.

SteelersWyo
09-26-2005, 10:53 AM
Biggest problem in that game was Randel EL making a stupid play trying to lateral to Ward. That dumb @ss move took points off the board. It was early in the game, but it was easy filed goal territory, maybe even a touchdown. If I remember right the score was 10-7 Steelers or similar. An extra 3-7 points right then would have been just what they needed. Instead the Steelers ended up with nothing. Sure the defense could not stop the pass all day, but having more points on the board never hurt!!

Suitanim
09-26-2005, 10:55 AM
Well, the game is over, and we can't change anything that happened yesterday, but we CAN fix things going forward. I don't anticipate seeing ARE ever lateral the ball again...

Livinginthe past
09-26-2005, 10:56 AM
All very true Suitanim - this game feels huge right now, but that feeling will dwindle as the weeks pass.

There is alot to happen between now and the playoffs - but I am still of the opinion that the Steelers one dimensional attack leads to a 'dribble down' effect to the rest of your game.

Over reliance on the run, especially one 1st and 2nd down, led to way too many 3 and outs, leading to just over 40% T.O.P for what is essentially a ball control offense.

This, in turn, led to an aggresive D spending too much time on the field and being out on their legs by the time the 4th quarter rolled around.

Unfortunately for the Steelers it seems their very identity is defined by this run first strategy - it may work against the lesser teams - but more times than not you will be found out in the big game.

Im sure we will see you in the playoffs.

Cheers

NM

Livinginthe past
09-26-2005, 10:59 AM
Biggest problem in that game was Randel EL making a stupid play trying to lateral to Ward. That dumb @ss move took points off the board. It was early in the game, but it was easy filed goal territory, maybe even a touchdown. If I remember right the score was 10-7 Steelers or similar. An extra 3-7 points right then would have been just what they needed. Instead the Steelers ended up with nothing. Sure the defense could not stop the pass all day, but having more points on the board never hurt!!

Ill take your boneheaded lateral play...and ill RAISE you two turnovers by the Patriots inside the 10 yard line - blaming this all on one bonehead play is just the sign of a Steeler fan burying his head in the sand...the problems go deeper than that one play.

Seems talk of injuries is not allowed - but we did lose our most important o-lineman and our defensive captain - and we still got it done - the Steelers should have been able to capitalise.

Cheers

NM

Suitanim
09-26-2005, 11:13 AM
My point is this: If the Steelers continue to play like they did yesterday, they will be losing a lot more games this year, regardless of their philosophy. They need to regroup and refocus, and keep their eye on the prize. The Pats game is over, and all they can do is learn from it and move on...

I will say this for the Pats though...they look like they found this years team identity in the 4th Qtr of yesterday's game, and if they continue to play like THAT, they are going to win a lot more games than I thought they'd be capable of...and it hurts me to say that...

tony hipchest
09-26-2005, 11:14 AM
Ill take your boneheaded lateral play...and ill RAISE you two turnovers by the Patriots inside the 10 yard line - blaming this all on one bonehead play is just the sign of a Steeler fan burying his head in the sand...the problems go deeper than that one play.

Seems talk of injuries is not allowed - but we did lose our most important o-lineman and our defensive captain - and we still got it done - the Steelers should have been able to capitalise.

Cheers

NM
im suprised they didnt capitalize either. they said after the game they didnt even try to they just stuck with the original gameplan, whereas last year when law got injured they immediately attacked r. gay for 2 quick strike td's. steelers lb's were a little spent on the final drive and faulk seemed to have some fresher legs. it would be nice to see adam miss one of those kicks though.

SteelersWyo
09-26-2005, 11:56 AM
Big difference in the turn overs, Patsy Fan. The Steelers D "took" the ball away from the Pats. Randel El made a stupid play that "gave" the ball to the Pats. When you toss a live ball in the air for some one to grab that is a stupid play that should never have happened. Your two turn overs inside the 10 were due to the Steelers D going after that ball. Big Difference.

-Head in the sand Steelers Fan

Livinginthe past
09-26-2005, 12:04 PM
Big difference in the turn overs, Patsy Fan. The Steelers D "took" the ball away from the Pats. Randel El made a stupid play that "gave" the ball to the Pats. When you toss a live ball in the air for some one to grab that is a stupid play that should never have happened. Your two turn overs inside the 10 were due to the Steelers D going after that ball. Big Difference.

-Head in the sand Steelers Fan

I have to disagree - sure it always nicer to 'take' the ball but a turnover is not worth any more or less either way.

The facts are the Steelers had 3 turnovers to the Pats 1 and should have made something of them - they didnt and thats why they lost.

Having said all this, the Patriots are still along way from where they will want to be come post-season - still way too many mistakes and penalities.

Cheers

NM

ironcitychef
09-26-2005, 12:50 PM
I tend to see us of having done something with those turnovers. You either have to score yourself or stop someone from scoring. The fact the two were in the redzone shows we did keep at least 14 points of their board. To say we should of scored 14 off of those against NE is absurd. Game would have been out of control had they scored on those. Agrre though, we just need to evaluate ourselves and forget who we played, rest, and then take on the next team.

bengalsfan21
09-26-2005, 02:26 PM
[QUOTE=SteelersWyo]Biggest problem in that game was Randel EL making a stupid play trying to lateral to Ward. That dumb @ss move took points off the board. QUOTE]

If it would have worked and Hines scored you would be praising him for it and saying you have the best recievers in the league bc of it.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-26-2005, 03:09 PM
Im really getting tired of everybody blaming El for this loss..he didnt lose this game for us. We lost it for us. We had plenty of chances to put them away but we couldnt do it. El did make a bonehead play and didnt have his best game of his career, but the other 10 guys are to blame as well.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-26-2005, 03:09 PM
and Thank goodness for the bye week now, we need to regroup and get healthy to come out and kick the chargers ass!!

Prosdo
09-26-2005, 04:29 PM
Im really getting tired of everybody blaming El for this loss..he didnt lose this game for us. We lost it for us. We had plenty of chances to put them away but we couldnt do it. El did make a bonehead play and didnt have his best game of his career, but the other 10 guys are to blame as well.

Same here Blitz. If it would have worked everyone would have been happy. He tried (it wasn't the smartest move) it didn't work, but the game doesn't solely fall upon his shoulders for that bad move.

JerseySTEEL
09-26-2005, 04:42 PM
To all those El haters right now forget about it, did u see the coach or even any player yelling at El the answer is NO, u want to know why becasue they played yesterdays game with fun they didnt want to wear themselfs out in week 3, unlike what the pats did they worked every ounce of themselfs on that field and lost hugh keys to there teams. even with the pats winning they got the short end of the stick.oh and ben with no INT 2TD and brady with NO TD's and 1 INT. :cool:

I.C. Lights
09-26-2005, 04:45 PM
To all those El haters right now forget about it, did u see the coach or even any player yelling at El the answer is NO, u want to know why becasue they played yesterdays game with fun they didnt want to wear themselfs out in week 3, unlike what the pats did they worked every ounce of themselfs on that field and lost hugh keys to there teams. even with the pats winning they got the short end of the stick.oh and ben with no INT 2TD and brady with NO TD's and 1 INT. :cool:


That's a great point Jersey. I recall watching Ben laughing after the failed lateral. At least we didn't loose players or our cool during/after the game.

Prosdo
09-26-2005, 04:51 PM
Another thing to remember EL had some nice catches in the Titans and Texans games. They aren't the best teams or anything, but it isn't like he has been doing horrible every week. One bad game for him. It happens.

Livinginthe past
09-27-2005, 02:32 AM
That's a great point Jersey. I recall watching Ben laughing after the failed lateral. At least we didn't loose players or our cool during/after the game.

I have to agree, its good to see players not get overly worried about getting beat in their own house by the team that put them out of last years playoffs.

Its refreshing to see them be able to relax with a laugh after a failed play - I could sense the crowd seen the funny side if it after a few minutes aswell!

Cheers

NM

slashsteel
09-27-2005, 10:20 AM
Yes it was a complete team effort on the loss. But EL made a play that went along with beating ourselves.

Two ways in this situation to lose a game

turnovers - forced errors
and bonehead mistakes that turn momentum of a game.

Like the three points lost on a holding call.



Sure EL wasn't the only one to make a mistake. But in a pivital game his error was a turning point, that IMO caused a ripple effect.

pats might have made us more one dimentional in this game, but it doesn't make a end product. IF that would be the case the pats would have lost in the AFCG. They adjusted to their mistakes and moved on.

SO this is what we must do. Nobody has a blueprint on whether it will happen or not. But we have the tools to get it done.

No matter how you slice and dice this game it could have gone either way. Both teams made mistakes. Brady was on his game. Limiting him next time is more indicative of whether we will win or not. Not our offense. As I strongly think we will correct any mistakes there.

Our line is still learning to play together on the right side. Two new bodies in there.

We are as good as the Patriots, and could be better. Early in the season, so if we continue building and correcting mistakes anything is possible. Our loss hasn't changed anything. If anything the only two things it really says is:

One -the Pats were hungrier for the win coming off a loss.

Two -mistakes were made that need to be corrected, and will be.......

Also the media get get off our nutz about the pats owning us, as in the Manning fold.

We clearly won , beat them last year, and was pretty close to winning last Sunday. A play here and there. 3 points isn't a big difference. Right now they have a edge but don't "own" us.

Only thing the media can say which is true, is they are better in the post season. BC makes that a fact. But hopefully like in Denver we will; get this ship righted. Remember Elway was looking like he was going out without a SB win, until they exploded........

Also in this era obviously the pats were the best. But it doesn't mean we can't be the best this year. We have just as good of a chance as any other top team.......... Including the pats.

SteelersWyo
09-27-2005, 01:23 PM
George S. Patton..."I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.".

No the loss is not entirely El's fault, I love the guy, but it was a stupid play. Pure and simple.

Tim
09-27-2005, 02:06 PM
As much as I hate to say this, we're really not as good as the patriots. If we were we wouldn't have been playing catch up, we wouldn't have needed a gift pass interference call to get us set up for the tying score.

What pains me as a Steelers fan is all the hype during the run up to a game like this, how the Steelers are trying to gain the kind of respect that NE gets all the time and the fact of the matter is that more often than not, we look hopelessly confused against them, not the other way around. We talk and talk about trying to confuse Brady by giving him different looks and disguising the coverage and look where that gets us, nowhere. He figures it all out by half time and then makes us look like chumps.

We're simply never going to be considered an elite team on the same level as the Pats until we show the same calm, patient, and focused execution of a game plan the way they do. We're never going to have that respect until we beat them, and by "beat them", I mean in a good game, where they don't kill themselves.