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Crushzilla
08-28-2007, 05:17 PM
Couch ANGRY!!! Couch SMASH!!!

Once a loser always a loser.

Drug allegations against Tim Couch
By Josh Peter, Yahoo! Sports
August 28, 2007

Documents obtained by Yahoo! Sports indicate quarterback Tim Couch had regimens that called for the use of anabolic steroids and human growth hormone while he attempted to revive his NFL career after a three-year hiatus from the league.

The regimens outlined in the documents with Couch's name printed across the top called for extensive use of drugs banned by the NFL.

Couch, the No. 1 pick in the 1999 NFL draft, told Yahoo! Sports he briefly took HGH ? which is banned by the NFL ? in hopes the drug would help him recover from shoulder surgery. But he denied using steroids or any other banned drugs and said he had never seen the documents.

The documents allegedly prepared for Couch were provided by a source who requested anonymity because he said he fears for his safety. He is a former associate of Brian Yusem, a self-styled nutritionist in Boca Raton, Fla., who has worked with Couch since January 2006.

Yusem called the documents "worthless" and added, "Just because somebody prints something and says this is the protocol I would suggest doesn't mean somebody has the obligation to do it or did it."

The source also said he saw Couch being injected with steroids in Yusem's office and saw Couch pick up steroids and HGH at Yusem's office.

Yusem stressed that privacy laws prevent him from disclosing anything about Couch's treatment, but he said Couch was under the care of a licensed physician and that nothing illegal took place. "All I'm doing and all I care about is helping people," Yusem said. "That's why I've surrounded myself with professionals and properly licensed professionals to do what I was not licensed to do."

In previous interviews, Yusem denied Couch used HGH or steroids and largely attributed the quarterback's dramatic gains in strength to a product they call Laxogenin, which Couch has endorsed in a videotaped testimonial.

Couch, 30, was cut by the Jacksonville Jaguars on Aug. 18, and a Jaguars spokesman said the team was unaware of allegations that Couch had used steroids and HGH. Dan Edwards, the Jaguars spokesman, said the decision to release Couch was based solely on the team's logjam at the quarterback position.

"We had five guys and that's all it was," Edwards said last week. "I don't know anything about these allegations anyway, but that had nothing to do with our decision."

Couch said he passed a drug test when he signed with the Jaguars on July 29.

"If I took that much steroids I wouldn't have passed the steroid test in Jacksonville," he said last week. "There's no way in hell. It doesn't matter what that (steroid regimen) says. It matters what I took. I know what I took and what I didn't take."

An e-mail the source produced shows one regimen for the use of steroids and HGH was sent by an employee at Yusem's company, Maxim Rejuvenation, to an e-mail address Couch used to correspond with Yahoo! Sports. But Couch said he had never seen the e-mail or the steroid regimen that was sent as an attachment.

"The bottom line is I was not in the NFL during any of the period of time (when the regimens called for the use of steroids), so that also makes me feel like, what's the story?" Couch said. "? I don't know where this stuff comes from. I don't know where you got any of this."

The anonymous source also provided steroid regimens allegedly prepared for a renowned professional bodybuilder, a retired NFL player, a college football player, a former college football player, a former college basketball coach and a competitive motorcycle racer.

If Couch rejoins the NFL, he could face disciplinary action based on information from league spokesman Greg Aiello. A free agent or retired player who attempts a comeback remains subject to the NFL's drug policy, according to Aiello, who in an e-mail wrote that a player "will be subject to discipline if we have sufficient proof that he used a banned substance without an acceptable medical justification. Merely being prescribed it by a doctor is not enough."

Concerned about the possible sanctions, Couch said, "I'm not saying I did it, but what if I did do it? What happens then? ? What does this mean for me?"

Couch has undergone two surgeries on his right shoulder since February 2005 and has been working with Yusem during his rehabilitation. With Yusem's guidance, Couch said, he increased his weight from 210 to 245 pounds and reduced his body fat to 4 percent from 17.5 percent. Couch said the dramatic gains resulted from an improved diet, regular training and natural supplements. He said his previous playing weight was 230 pounds but he dropped to 210 pounds after his surgery.

The documents outline regimens for the use of steroids and other drugs banned by the NFL during three cycles of more than two months.

The first regimen outlines a 72-day program and is dated Jan. 26, 2006, which was the same month Couch visited Yusem for an initial consultation, according an employee at Maxim Rejuvenation.

The second regimen outlines an 80-day program and is dated Sept. 18, 2006, about three months after Couch had a second operation on his right shoulder. The third regimen outlines a 55-day program and is dated Nov. 27, 2006.

The steroids listed on the regimen include Stanozolol, Oaxndrolone and Testosterone Cypionate. The regimen also called for the use of Nolvadex, which suppresses estrogen levels, and Fluox, an antidepressant.

Though Couch told Yahoo! Sports he used HGH for about a week, under a doctor's care, the regimens the source provided called for 30 injections of HGH during the 72-day regimen and 26 injections of HGH during the 55-day cycle.

Couch played five seasons for the Cleveland Browns, who cut him after the 2003 season. He signed with the Green Bay Packers in 2004 but was cut before the regular season started, and shoulder injuries thwarted his subsequent comeback attempts until this year.

Late last month, Couch signed a two-year contract with the Jaguars, but the deal was contingent on his making the final roster. The team released him a week after Couch played in the Jaguars' preseason opener. It was Couch's first appearance in an NFL game since the 2004 preseason. He completed 2 of 4 passes for 11 yards and was sacked twice during the two series he played.

Ohio Steeler
08-28-2007, 05:26 PM
hell he was a clown... nuff said

silver & black
08-29-2007, 04:58 AM
You guys sure are hard on a guy that basically had his career ruined for him by the team that drafted him.

I think Couch would have been a pretty good QB in the NFL if he would have been drafted by almost any other team . I understand that he played for the Browns, and that brings other aspects of how you view him if you're a Steelers fan, but the guy just plain got a raw deal, and his career was basically destroyed before it ever got going.

SteelCityMan786
08-29-2007, 05:51 AM
This is a great way to tell NFL Teams you should be allowed to play.

The Duke
08-29-2007, 06:37 AM
Maybe he should coach Quinn and give him a good example of being the browns QB :chuckle:

Crushzilla
08-29-2007, 08:17 AM
You guys sure are hard on a guy that basically had his career ruined for him by the team that drafted him.

I think Couch would have been a pretty good QB in the NFL if he would have been drafted by almost any other team . I understand that he played for the Browns, and that brings other aspects of how you view him if you're a Steelers fan, but the guy just plain got a raw deal, and his career was basically destroyed before it ever got going.

Yes. The Browns mishandled him. That means we should give him a pass if this is true?

"Well. The Browns messed up, so he can take some hormones to even it out."

David Carr, also, never had the career he should have because of the Texans, but he's still sticking it out. Who knows. He may get a shot if Delhomme continues to be subpar.

I don't pity Tim Couch. Especially if this is true.

silver & black
08-29-2007, 03:04 PM
Yes. The Browns mishandled him. That means we should give him a pass if this is true?

"Well. The Browns messed up, so he can take some hormones to even it out."

David Carr, also, never had the career he should have because of the Texans, but he's still sticking it out. Who knows. He may get a shot if Delhomme continues to be subpar.

I don't pity Tim Couch. Especially if this is true.

No. I didn't mean to imply that his taking steroids or HGH is acceptable at all.

It sounds to me like he was taking them to recover from the surgery and try to get his career going again. It is still unacceptable, but I don't think its on the same level as what Merriman did... or Romo, Alzado , and Matuszac... just so boLTfan won't call me out. :wink02:

Hines0wnz
09-01-2007, 01:16 PM
Awww......he was the Great, white...nothing. :blah:

MasterOfPuppets
09-01-2007, 01:48 PM
You guys sure are hard on a guy that basically had his career ruined for him by the team that drafted him.

I think Couch would have been a pretty good QB in the NFL if he would have been drafted by almost any other team . I understand that he played for the Browns, and that brings other aspects of how you view him if you're a Steelers fan, but the guy just plain got a raw deal, and his career was basically destroyed before it ever got going.
players are drafted to make THE TEAM better, not the team to make the player better. how many recievers carears did couch ruin? if i remember correctly denver wasn't exactly a powerhouse when they drafted elway. nor was the steelers when they drafted bradshaw.couch was a bum just like ryan leaf and he showed not even a glimmer of being a great qb on the field.

silver & black
09-02-2007, 09:46 AM
players are drafted to make THE TEAM better, not the team to make the player better. how many recievers carears did couch ruin? if i remember correctly denver wasn't exactly a powerhouse when they drafted elway. nor was the steelers when they drafted bradshaw.couch was a bum just like ryan leaf and he showed not even a glimmer of being a great qb on the field.

C'mon... you're smarter than that. Couch would have made the team better if the team had developed him correctly and not thrown him to the wolves.

In typical Browns fasion, they thpought they could get back to the playoffs in their very first year back in the league. Detmer was doing ok, considering what he had to work with. That wasn't good enough for the Clowns... they got greedy and wanted to make a big splash the first year back... they did.

Like it or not, Couch was utterly destroyed by Cleveland. The truth is.... no one will ever know what Couche's true potential could have been.

j-dawg
09-02-2007, 10:55 AM
C'mon... you're smarter than that. Couch would have made the team better if the team had developed him correctly and not thrown him to the wolves.

In typical Browns fasion, they thpought they could get back to the playoffs in their very first year back in the league. Detmer was doing ok, considering what he had to work with. That wasn't good enough for the Clowns... they got greedy and wanted to make a big splash the first year back... they did.

Like it or not, Couch was utterly destroyed by Cleveland. The truth is.... no one will ever know what Couche's true potential could have been.

there's nothing typical about your favorite football teams owner secretly doing negotiations with another city and than moving your team away. there's nothing typical about your city fighting that decision to keep the team. there's nothing typical about the way the NFL waited two years to sell the new franchise. oh, the cleveland fan base, who watched the jaguars make the playoffs the second year in the NFL, getting all the way to the AFC championship game, and the panthers doing the same, getting all the way to the NFC championship game.. you're right... it wasn't typical to see the cleveland browns not be able to sign ANY worthy free agents its first year because by the time the NFL sold the team to Al Lerner, the draft was only a month away.

i agree, couch didn't have a prayer with that offensive line, but don't for one minute think there was anything "typical" about the situation he was coming into.

as for the browns of 07... they have the potential to compete this year... barring serious injury, this season will be anything but typical.

silver & black
09-02-2007, 01:54 PM
there's nothing typical about your favorite football teams owner secretly doing negotiations with another city and than moving your team away. there's nothing typical about your city fighting that decision to keep the team. there's nothing typical about the way the NFL waited two years to sell the new franchise. oh, the cleveland fan base, who watched the jaguars make the playoffs the second year in the NFL, getting all the way to the AFC championship game, and the panthers doing the same, getting all the way to the NFC championship game.. you're right... it wasn't typical to see the cleveland browns not be able to sign ANY worthy free agents its first year because by the time the NFL sold the team to Al Lerner, the draft was only a month away.

i agree, couch didn't have a prayer with that offensive line, but don't for one minute think there was anything "typical" about the situation he was coming into.

as for the browns of 07... they have the potential to compete this year... barring serious injury, this season will be anything but typical.

Dude, lighten up. What I meant by "typical" is that the Browns... then and now, have "typically" made some rather dumb moves. I'm a Raiders fan... I know a littlle bit about dumb moves.

I was defending your wonder boy draft pick... in case you missed that. I wasn't going off on a tangent about your owner and team conspiring to commit covert actions in the middle of the night. What does that have to do with the Browns destroying Couch for no good reason, other than their utter arrogance in thinking their muti million dollar draft pick would get them to the playoffs in the first year back? I know this is what the majority of you Clowns fans thought... I live among you... My whole family is comprised of Clowns fans... except for me.................. thank God!

I live 50 miles south of Cleveland. I felt the sorrow, pain, and backlash from all the Browns fans. I'm sorry it happened, but it had nothing to do with Couch's desruction.

j-dawg
09-02-2007, 04:06 PM
Dude, lighten up. What I meant by "typical" is that the Browns... then and now, have "typically" made some rather dumb moves. I'm a Raiders fan... I know a littlle bit about dumb moves.

I was defending your wonder boy draft pick... in case you missed that. I wasn't going off on a tangent about your owner and team conspiring to commit covert actions in the middle of the night. What does that have to do with the Browns destroying Couch for no good reason, other than their utter arrogance in thinking their muti million dollar draft pick would get them to the playoffs in the first year back? I know this is what the majority of you Clowns fans thought... I live among you... My whole family is comprised of Clowns fans... except for me.................. thank God!

I live 50 miles south of Cleveland. I felt the sorrow, pain, and backlash from all the Browns fans. I'm sorry it happened, but it had nothing to do with Couch's desruction.

sorry silver, didn't mean to come across as being angry towards you... it was more of a diatribe against the folks who think couch is the touchstone of all the woes of the present browns. the factors leading to his starting were far more on the NFL's neglect than anything the browns organization itself had done... to that point. yes, you are correct, many browns fans had high expectations.. and many of them didn't realize that the NFL made it impossible for the success of the panthers and jaguars to happen for them.

i'm surrounded by faider fans here so i feel their sorrow and pain as well. there's a comradeship. hope there's no hard feelings.

:cheers:

tony hipchest
09-02-2007, 04:17 PM
this is so beautiful!

a rayduh fan in clown territiory and a clown fan in rayduh territiry come together for a warm round of hugs. :hug: :cheers: (cyberbeer is on me!)

:wink: just messin guys.... carry on!

:sofunny:

MasterOfPuppets
09-02-2007, 04:37 PM
this is so beautiful!

a rayduh fan in clown territiory and a clown fan in rayduh territiry come together for a warm round of hugs. :hug: :cheers: (cyberbeer is on me!)

:wink: just messin guys.... carry on!

:sofunny:
lmao....nice observation !!!! ohhhhhh the irony of it all....:toofunny:

MasterOfPuppets
09-02-2007, 05:13 PM
C'mon... you're smarter than that. Couch would have made the team better if the team had developed him correctly and not thrown him to the wolves.

In typical Browns fasion, they thpought they could get back to the playoffs in their very first year back in the league. Detmer was doing ok, considering what he had to work with. That wasn't good enough for the Clowns... they got greedy and wanted to make a big splash the first year back... they did.

Like it or not, Couch was utterly destroyed by Cleveland. The truth is.... no one will ever know what Couche's true potential could have been.
so was couches experience of being "throwm to the wolves" unique? no , there's been many qb's that were forced into the same situation, that went on to have successful carrears.did the bengals "ruin" akili smith? or was he just not cut out to be an nfl qb? was leaf ruined by the chargers or did he just flat out suck??? are the titans ruining vince young,or did he make them better? anyhow ,had couch road the pine up till last year, i still think he'd have done no better than frye.

silver & black
09-02-2007, 08:08 PM
sorry silver, didn't mean to come across as being angry towards you... it was more of a diatribe against the folks who think couch is the touchstone of all the woes of the present browns. the factors leading to his starting were far more on the NFL's neglect than anything the browns organization itself had done... to that point. yes, you are correct, many browns fans had high expectations.. and many of them didn't realize that the NFL made it impossible for the success of the panthers and jaguars to happen for them.

i'm surrounded by faider fans here so i feel their sorrow and pain as well. there's a comradeship. hope there's no hard feelings.

:cheers:

Nah, no hard feeling here bro. We're all just football fans. None of us has the least bit of control over what our chosen teams do or don't do. All we can do is keep the faith and hope our teams do better this year.

Its easy to be a fan when your team does good. Its a lot harder when they suck, and you know they suck. I've come to appreciate Browns fans quite a bit more in the past 4 years. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever immagine my Raiders would ever be where they are right now.Your dedication is commendable.

Heres to both of our franchises rising up a bit this year, and start to turn things around. :cheers:

silver & black
09-02-2007, 08:18 PM
so was couches experience of being "throwm to the wolves" unique? no , there's been many qb's that were forced into the same situation, that went on to have successful carrears.did the bengals "ruin" akili smith? or was he just not cut out to be an nfl qb? was leaf ruined by the chargers or did he just flat out suck??? are the titans ruining vince young,or did he make them better? anyhow ,had couch road the pine up till last year, i still think he'd have done no better than frye.

I understand what you are saying, and I agree to a point. Couch's situation was a bit different, you have to admit. His being put in, when he was, was foolish, at best. He was put in a totaly unwinnable situation, with absolutely no surrounding cast to support him. I can't say with 100% certainty that he would have developed into a good QB, but you can't say he wouldn't have either.

This is one of those times when no one argument is totaly correct.

I can see the same mentality developing with Quinn. They have Frye and Anderson to play the season. There is no reason to play Quinn... at all. Sure, let him take a few snaps in a real game and get his feet wet, but don't just throw him in there and name him the starter... utter foolishness. But to hear all the Browns fans around here, you'd think this kid is just going to go in there and save the franchise. Its like they never learn.

silver & black
09-02-2007, 08:54 PM
this is so beautiful!

a rayduh fan in clown territiory and a clown fan in rayduh territiry come together for a warm round of hugs. :hug: :cheers: (cyberbeer is on me!)

:wink: just messin guys.... carry on!

:sofunny:

Eh... I don't know about the warm round of hugs, but I can see where you would find this amusing. :sofunny:... :cheers: