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RichmondVA
09-26-2005, 04:20 PM
Has anyone heard that the game clock may have been incorrectly reset back to 14:51 in the Fourth. I've heard that our running play started with 14:51 on the game clock and continued to run until K. Simmons was whistled for a false start on the next play. The clock was set back to 14:51 for some reason. We ran two seperate downs from the 14:51 point in the game. Very interesting.

BlitzburghRockCity
09-26-2005, 04:36 PM
Yeah it is considering we were the home team :grin: but it wouldnt have helped matters anyway.

Prosdo
09-26-2005, 04:43 PM
That's pretty bad that no one caught it, but as Blitz said it wouldn't have mattered.

tony hipchest
09-26-2005, 05:10 PM
That's pretty bad that no one caught it, but as Blitz said it wouldn't have mattered.
i just saw this on sportscenter. it seems like the game ran for 60 min and 52 seconds as opposed to 59 and 08 seconds. while this is a moot point it is a little salty to see the pats get an additional 52 seconds for that final drive. it was the pitt clock keeper who screwed up and d. bostons father who was the line judge. i bet he had money riding on the pats :grin: moot point but it just goes to show how thing just seem to bounce the pats way at the most inopportune time for their opponents. how bout that josh miller wedge shot to pittsburghs 1. why call a run play when they know thats what youre gonna call. more. i woulda liked to seen ward in the slot again in that instance.

SteelersGirlTN7
09-26-2005, 07:02 PM
i just saw this on sportscenter. it seems like the game ran for 60 min and 52 seconds as opposed to 59 and 08 seconds. while this is a moot point it is a little salty to see the pats get an additional 52 seconds for that final drive. it was the pitt clock keeper who screwed up and d. bostons father who was the line judge. i bet he had money riding on the pats :grin: moot point but it just goes to show how thing just seem to bounce the pats way at the most inopportune time for their opponents. how bout that josh miller wedge shot to pittsburghs 1. why call a run play when they know thats what youre gonna call. more. i woulda liked to seen ward in the slot again in that instance.


From what I understand it was 52 EXTRA seconds. Thats what I just saw on ESPN when I got home. This means we could have been closer to putting into OT, and maybe winning w/ the toss, as opposed to letting the Pats have it one more time, and them having the chance to get into FG range. LOL If its not one thing its another! Theyre either paying the refs, or the clock keeper - haha!

tony hipchest
09-26-2005, 07:12 PM
From what I understand it was 52 EXTRA seconds. Thats what I just saw on ESPN when I got home. This means we could have been closer to putting into OT, and maybe winning w/ the toss, as opposed to letting the Pats have it one more time, and them having the chance to get into FG range. LOL If its not one thing its another! Theyre either paying the refs, or the clock keeper - haha!
i just saw that too. the conspiracy theories continues. hopefully one of those things will go against the pats some day, maybe in the playoffs and we can watch their fans cry bloody murder.

BB2W
09-27-2005, 12:02 AM
I can't say this had an effect on the score, but this is crap... :poop:

link...... http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05270/578451.stm

ironcitychef
09-27-2005, 01:43 AM
Follow the magic bullet...

Pats ball at own 38 with 1:14 left...
(subtract :52 extra seconds)
Pats ball at own 38 with :22 left...
8 seconds on 17 yard gain...
Pats ball at Steelers 45 with :14 left...
9 seconds on 14 yard gain...
Pats ball on 31 with :05 left...
No timeouts, we don't call one, no :50 seconds to set up for GW FG...probably nothing in the big picture cause it would have put some more pressure on us to score that TD before it all, but I don't think as good as the Pats are, they can even go that far with no time/timeouts and Adam rush out and boot a 48 yarder in Heinz. Interesting though.

Feel free to correct my math as I still haven't watched the whole game.

SteelR1
09-27-2005, 12:08 PM
You can timeline the game all you want but with the clock error so early in the fourth quarter, the game would have been played different. Timeouts would have been called in different spots, plays would have been called different.

Did the clock hurt us? Maybe but we'll never know..

bigbensgirl7
09-27-2005, 12:27 PM
You can timeline the game all you want but with the clock error so early in the fourth quarter, the game would have been played different. Timeouts would have been called in different spots, plays would have been called different.

Did the clock hurt us? Maybe but we'll never know..
I agree...I don't think we can use this one as an excuse. It sucks, but it did happen early in the 4th. I might feel different if it happened in the last few minutes (but then it probably would have been caught and reviewed-at least I would hope we would have caught that). The reality is we will never know, because we don't know when and how the teams would have used their timeouts. Of course we can speculate and think what if? But the bottom line is we were outplayed in the 2nd half, the Pats came out strong and this week the Pats were the better team on the field.

All we can do is put this one behind us...and move on! It's not the end of the world. It's only week 3...still a long season ahead of us! And don't count us out of anything! :smile:

Va_steeler
09-27-2005, 12:36 PM
It's a shame we cant take it back, but the way the team played I don't think it matters.
We gave them 10 points then let them march to a field goal, granted 52 sec was added. hopefully they will think long and hard a get there S--T together.

slashsteel
09-27-2005, 12:45 PM
No escuses true but three factors played heavily on this game.

The fiel goal call was a "phantom" call. That is three points that could have made the difference

EL's bonehead miscue, wasn't a forced error. So that is three points he cost us at least.

6 points + the time error was more than enough to lose this game.

Sure the play caused the loss as well, as well as coaching. But these three mentionables can't be overlooked either.

tony hipchest
09-27-2005, 12:56 PM
what sucks about this clock error is this or a steelers forum is the only place we as steelerfans can discuss what happened or even bring it up. any other forum ive read where more than 2 patfans present have them calling any one discussing it bitchers, and whiners, and sore losers, the steelers chokers. i havent seen no one bitch or whine in this whole thread. most patfans ive encountered handle their success with NO CLASS and act like no fan of any other team has a right to discuss anything because everybody else is a loser. this is why the patriots and their fans will still be clamouring for respect. this is why noone outside of patfandom wants to accept this team as a great dynasty. to see patfans say 52 extra seconds didnt matter anyways as if they deserve it in every game, makes me dislike them even more. if it doesnt matter why dont the nfl just add 52 seconds to EVERY game? because it does matter.

slashsteel
09-27-2005, 02:07 PM
Tony as you can see just watching the debates here, that they won't change no matter what is said. Everyone has gave them their due, but yet their fans can't seem to get enough. It is their fans that make me dislike their team even more. I can deal with the team as they have acted ok for the most part. It is the fans with the headswelling that gets me. Whoever wins it, it will NOT be the patriots this year. I guarantee that. And if I am proven wrong may every pat poster, from every board bash me afterwards.

Koopa
09-27-2005, 03:22 PM
well you won't have to worry about being wrong, cause the pats will not 3peat i repeat the pats will not 3peat, the winner of the superbowl will either be the steelers or the colts.

bigbensgirl7
09-27-2005, 03:49 PM
The thing is I don't know that it would have changed the outcome....BUT if it would have been reversed and the pats lost....you know we would hear about it! I think we all agree here that we don't know if it could have changed the outcome of the game, and that's why I don't think the Pats fans are really getting in on this discussion. It sucks, but we just have to move on!

sjazz23
09-28-2005, 03:53 PM
At the risk of being chastised, because I am a Pats fan, please be aware that the error did occur early in the 4th quarter. It was 52 additional seconds, but also realize that most if not all of that 52 seconds was probably wasted and irrelevant. Case in point, the Pats allowed at least 35 seconds to run off before kicking the field goal. Another thing, was any time run down for the two minute warning?
I really don't want to be labeled a lurker or whatever, I came to see what the Steeler fans reaction was because, as most of you have pointed out, there are a number of irritating Pats fans out there that can't seem to remember the years that you couldn't give tickets away. My guess is that these are younger folks who can't remember those awful times in Shaeffer (sp?) stadium.
Anyhow, as most of you have already posted, I really don't think the extra time affected the outcome. I actually wish this stuff didn't happen to the Pats, so these conspiracy theories would end.

PS - Zeroue was in Foxboro yesterday and today. Looks like he may have Elvis on his helmet soon....See you all in the AFC Finals (hopefully).

Koopa
09-28-2005, 04:15 PM
whether it was wasted or not it was still an additional 52 second for y'all to make the drive, but who cares it's all said and done now, y'all are the past now time to focus on the chargers, hopefully they beat the snot out of y'all this sunday.

Suitanim
09-28-2005, 04:55 PM
I think the clock error had exactly ZERO to do with the outcome of the game...however, like ARE's ill-advised lateral, hopefully it's a mistake learned from that won't be repeated in more important games later...

tony hipchest
09-28-2005, 05:27 PM
At the risk of being chastised, because I am a Pats fan, please be aware that the error did occur early in the 4th quarter. It was 52 additional seconds, but also realize that most if not all of that 52 seconds was probably wasted and irrelevant. Case in point, the Pats allowed at least 35 seconds to run off before kicking the field goal. Another thing, was any time run down for the two minute warning?
I really don't want to be labeled a lurker or whatever, I came to see what the Steeler fans reaction was because, as most of you have pointed out, there are a number of irritating Pats fans out there that can't seem to remember the years that you couldn't give tickets away. My guess is that these are younger folks who can't remember those awful times in Shaeffer (sp?) stadium.
Anyhow, as most of you have already posted, I really don't think the extra time affected the outcome. I actually wish this stuff didn't happen to the Pats, so these conspiracy theories would end.

PS - Zeroue was in Foxboro yesterday and today. Looks like he may have Elvis on his helmet soon....See you all in the AFC Finals (hopefully).
hey lurker! :grin: j/k the steelers and most their fans pretty much agree with your points. ultimately it wouldve led to a 49 yd fg attemt by vinatieri. it is good to perpetuate the conspiracy theories though! i heard on sirius radio that the pats have added to their steeler collection by signing a. zeoroue too. he could pay off big used in the same capacity as faulk. i think he still has upside now that he knows he wont be a starter.

dropKickMurphy
09-29-2005, 10:14 AM
I think the clock error had exactly ZERO to do with the outcome of the game...

This seems to be the consensus of the Steeler fans on this board.

As a Pats fan, I have to say I'm impressed. If this has happened against the Raiders or Colts, or most other teams, their fans would have been bringing this up as more "proof" of the "conspiracy" to help the Pats cheat. For the most part, you guys do not make BS excuses when your team loses. That's what separates Steeler fans from Raider fans.

The truth is, the Pats, like all teams, get their share of good and bad breaks. There have been plenty of bad calls that went against the Pats over the last 5 years. In addition, they have sustained more serious injuries to key players than just about any other team.
The key to the Pats' success has been their remarkable ability to overcome the bad breaks and take advantage of the good breaks. Therefore, their bad breaks do not tend to affect the outcome of the game, while their good breaks often do. As a result, fans tend to notice only the breaks that favor the Pats.