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tony hipchest
09-02-2007, 03:22 PM
hard to guage the collective belief on the alan rossum trade based on the trade thread alone. so what is the overall thought of this move?

ChronoCross
09-02-2007, 03:33 PM
Garbage CB.

I guess people forgot about how we fumbled several games away on returns.. But hey everyone thinks this is a great pickup to bring in a guy who has fumbled every year of his career. When he looses us a close game. You will see..

I know of a dump about 23 miles from my farm. I would be happy to pick up the garbage and pay the fee to dump rossum off there.

OneForTheToe
09-02-2007, 03:36 PM
I have a feeling this will be like the rb we picked up from the Pats last year or a conditional draft pick. In other words probably we will not remember who he was by mid season.

rog
09-02-2007, 03:38 PM
What is wrong with giving the guy a chance before you throw him into the trash. Tomlin gets paid to make big time decisions along with Colbert. I say give him a chance. If he folds the I say game on but atleast let him return 1 punt.

tony hipchest
09-02-2007, 03:41 PM
I have a feeling this will be like the rb we picked up from the Pats last year or a conditional draft pick. In other words probably we will not remember who he was by mid season.you know, i thought about this guy recently. was it cedric cobb? i saw cedric on a roster this last week of pre season games.

Elvis
09-02-2007, 03:41 PM
Well, glad to see that everyone is excited abou this trade as I am. I like the pickup and I think that he will boost our return game this season. He has to be better than Ricardo Coclough and I hate to think about Holmes being out there taking more hits on punt returns than he needs to. I think that it is a good move if we didnt give up more than a 5th round pick.
:tt02:

Black@Gold Forever32
09-02-2007, 03:43 PM
you know, i thought about this guy recently. was it cedric cobb? i saw cedric on a roster this last week of pre season games.

It was Patrick Cobbs and he was with the Dolphins this pre-season I believe.......Cedric Cobb use to be a Pat to but he has spent the last few years with the Broncos....

ShutDown24
09-02-2007, 03:45 PM
I love the move.

tony hipchest
09-02-2007, 03:48 PM
Well, glad to see that everyone is excited abou this trade as I am. I like the pickup and I think that he will boost our return game this season. He has to be better than Ricardo Coclough and I hate to think about Holmes being out there taking more hits on punt returns than he needs to. I think that it is a good move if we didnt give up more than a 5th round pick.
:tt02:im thinking he was bound to be cut by the falcons and the steelers offered a 7th if he made their roster. falcons lose nothing either way. its kinda like the bengals offering a 7th round pick to st. louis for qb fitzpatric. the rams get a pick for somebody they were gonna dump anyways.

personally i woulda rather kept haynes on the roster as a 6th back and relied of willie, wilson, and davenport on returns, however we only have 5 wr's on the roster so this is a bit of insurance for reid as our back up at the position. if rossom can prove to be a better returner, it just saves reid the wear and tear.

appearantly he is a very hard worker in practice and tough as nails. scouting report on him coming into the draft was that he was a poor mans santonio holmes.

reid could just be being groomed for bigger and better things. i dont think colclough or reid were drafted just to be career special teammers.

MasterOfPuppets
09-02-2007, 03:48 PM
i think its a wasted roster spot, that should've been used on a younger prospect such as cappizzi.

The Duke
09-02-2007, 03:55 PM
i think its a wasted roster spot, that should've been used on a younger prospect such as cappizzi.

I agree

83-Steelers-43
09-02-2007, 03:55 PM
Too bad there isn't a "Better than what I've seen up to this point" option.

tony hipchest
09-02-2007, 04:04 PM
Too bad there isn't a "Better than what I've seen up to this point" option. damn, i was struggling for a 4th option. good one. i guess thats what option #4 can be used for! :banana:

:sofunny:

83-Steelers-43
09-02-2007, 04:05 PM
damn, i was struggling for a 4th option. good one. i guess thats what option #4 can be used for! :banana:

:sofunny:

Glad I could be of some service. :wink02:

lilyoder6
09-02-2007, 04:45 PM
maybe he will show us that he is a good corner?

4n2t0
09-02-2007, 04:53 PM
For the last time, HE'S NOT A CORNER!!!

He's a return specialist that went to a pro bowl in '05. He a definite upgrade in the return game. The Steelers won't rely on his cover skills.

I believe people will be singing a different tune shortly.

Livinginthe past
09-02-2007, 04:57 PM
i'll just copy/paste what I posed in the other thread:

Bringing a guy onto the roster who is a pure returner (he wont be seeing the field as a DB) had better play at an elite level.

I don't think that having Wilson as a returner is a bad thing at all - most seem to have him at No.4 on the WR depth chart, and despite the constant rumors, I don't think we'll see a great deal of 4-wide this year.

It would therefore help if your No.4 guy contributed in some other way.

The question mark, I suppose, is Reid - to be still on the roster he must provide something at WR - because I don't think many teams have enough quality depth in their 53 to spend two roster spots on specialist returners.

We'll see, I guess.

ps. Let the record show that I wasn't one of the two people (up to this point) who took the opportunity to vote for option#4 :wink02:

lilyoder6
09-02-2007, 05:08 PM
i hope that he does get playing time for the steelers so i can laugh in ur faces.........


if he doesn't oh well... but i agree i doubt he'll get any playing time

tony hipchest
09-02-2007, 05:53 PM
ps. Let the record show that I wasn't one of the two people (up to this point) who took the opportunity to vote for option#4 :wink02::sofunny:

lol....i wouldnt have thought you were. it was that damn 83 guy!

option #4 is an all encompassing option...

FOOTEupyourarse
09-02-2007, 06:18 PM
HE IS NOT A CORNER. he fumbles twice a year? so does coclough. so why waste the roster spot.

4n2t0
09-02-2007, 07:24 PM
HE IS NOT A CORNER. he fumbles twice a year? so does coclough. so why waste the roster spot.

You can't even compare the two. Anyone can pick a random stat and make it work in their favor. Does Colclough have 6 career return TD's? See how easy it is.

NV STEELERS 723
09-02-2007, 07:46 PM
6 TD's returns for Colclough...how many fumbles??????

I would rather have possession and give Ben a chance...we have a pretty good offensive.

HometownGal
09-02-2007, 07:46 PM
I'm with rog and wedo on this one. I didn't vote, as none of the choices applied to my feelings on the move.

I'm going with the wait and see approach. I'm not going to damn the guy until I see what he brings to the table.

Galax Steeler
09-03-2007, 05:45 AM
I'm with rog and wedo on this one. I didn't vote, as none of the choices applied to my feelings on the move.

I'm going with the wait and see approach. I'm not going to damn the guy until I see what he brings to the table.

Agreed lets see what he has before we throw him to the dogs.

X-Terminator
09-03-2007, 08:03 AM
Whatever happened to giving the guy a chance before you run him out of town? Oh that's right, I'm talking about Steelers fans - nevermind. Whatever was I thinking? :dang:

I like the move, and the haters will be getting on their hands and knees to kiss his feet after his first big return or return TD.

4n2t0
09-03-2007, 08:35 AM
Whatever happened to giving the guy a chance before you run him out of town? Oh that's right, I'm talking about Steelers fans - nevermind. Whatever was I thinking? :dang:

I like the move, and the haters will be getting on their hands and knees to kiss his feet after his first big return or return TD.

Well said, exactly my sentiment.

How people can say this will be an insignificant move is beyond me, as if Rossum isn't going to start or have an immediate impact. A low round pick for a top NFL return man seems like a no-brainer for the Steelers.

Elvis
09-03-2007, 08:47 AM
Whatever happened to giving the guy a chance before you run him out of town? Oh that's right, I'm talking about Steelers fans - nevermind. Whatever was I thinking? :dang:

I like the move, and the haters will be getting on their hands and knees to kiss his feet after his first big return or return TD.
What is this "oh... thats right, I'm talking about Steelers fans?"
Any true fan of any team is gonna question moves like this dont ya think? Steelers Fans are the Greatest Fans In The World in My Opinion...
:tt02:

stillers4me
09-03-2007, 08:51 AM
1. Gotta be better that what we've seen so far........I like that option.
2. I agree...give the guy a chance to screw up before we crucify him. We may be pleasantly surprised.

Hear's a neat site with info on all our guys........some did journal entries and cool little interviews. Ben secretly wants to be a spy.......:sofunny: For some reason, Rossum's info hasn't been updated since '04.

http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=26006
Allen Rossum #20
Position: CB
Years Pro: 8
Draft Date: 1998
Draft Team: Philadelphia Eagles
Born: 10/22/1975
Hometown: Dallas, TX
College: Notre Dame
Pro Career

2004: Saw action in 16 games with one start and registered 21 tackles, two interceptions, four passes defensed and one sack…Recorded 1,250 yards on 58 kickoff returns (21.6 avg.) and 457 yards on 37 punt returns (12.4 avg.) with one touchdown. His 12.4 average and 457 return yards on punts ranked second and third in the NFL, respectively.

2003: Returned 39 punts for a Falcons-record 545 yard and a career-best 14.0 yard average…Played in all 16 games for first time since 2000 season with Green BaySaw action in 16 games with one start and registered 21 tackles, two interceptions, four passes defensed and one sack.
Recorded 1,250 yards on 58 kickoff returns (21.6 avg.) and 457 yards on 37 punt returns (12.4 avg.) with one touchdown. His 12.4 average and 457 return yards on punts ranked second and third in the NFL, respectively.
…Totals were second in NFC and third in NFL…Also added one touchdown vs. Washington (9/14))…Ran back 62 kickoffs for for 1,291 yards (20.8 yard average))…Added one tackle.

2002: In first season with Atlanta, returned 53 kickoffs for 1,164 yards for a 22.0 average with one touchdown on a 91-yard return vs. Seattle (12/15)…Ran back 24 punts for 288 yards for a career-high 12.0 average, besting his 9.9 mark in 2001 in Green Bay…The 12.0 average is the third-highest in Falcons history…Added six tackles on defense as a reserve DB in 14 games played…Missed two games with a strained hamstring vs. Chicago (9/15) and vs. Cincinnati (9/22)…Played in both playoff contests on special teams and in the secondary.

2001: Averaged 9.9 yards on 11 punt returns and 18.7 yards on 23 kickoff returns in final season with Packers…Also made two stops from scrimmage and three tackles on special teams…Played in six games and was inactive for 10 contests due to lingering hamstring injury and then knee injury…..Suffered a cartilage tear in his right knee that required arthroscopic surgery on November 23, 2001…Returned from hamstring injury to contribute a game-winning 55 yard punt return touchdown with 3:03 remaining in an eventual 21-20 victory vs. Tampa Bay (11/14).

2000: Made a big contribution to the Packers’ return game following his acquisition in a trade with Philadelphia late in the preseason…Averaged a career-high 25.8 yards (third in the NFC, fourth in the NFL) on 50 kickoff returns and 8.6 yards (tied for eighth in the NFC) on 29 punt returns…Selected as the first alternate kick return specialist for the NFC Pro Bowl team, he was one of only five returners in the conference to rank in the top 10 in both punt and kickoff returns…Returned one kickoff for a touchdown.

1999: Set the Eagles’ single-season records for kickoff returns (54) and kickoff return yards (1,347) while ranking fourth in the NFC (and fifth in the NFL) with a 24.9-yard average…Was seventh in the conference with an 8.9-yard average on 28 punt returns…Played in all 16 games for the first time as a pro…Contributed 12 tackles (11 solo) plus a pass defensed as a cornerback…Also made a career-high 17 special teams stops…Was selected as the Eagles’ special teams MVP in a player vote.

1998: Made an immediate impact as a return specialist during his rookie season in Philadelphia, returning nine kickoffs 30 yards or more…Averaged 24.5 yards per kickoff return to rank seventh in the NFC…Became only the fourth player in Eagles history to log 1,000 yards in a season (1,080)…Shared punt return duties with Freddie Solomon for much of the year, returning 22 for 187 yards (8.5 avg.) to tie for sixth in the conference…Played in 15 games with two starts…Also was a valued contributor in the secondary, starting two early-season contests at left cornerback when Troy Vincent was sidelined by a quadriceps injury…Totaled 26 stops, including one sack, as well as two pass breakups over the course of the season.


College Career

Was a three-year starter and four-time letterman (1994-97) at Notre Dame. Set an NCAA career record with 9 return touchdowns (3 interceptions, 3 punts, 3 kickoffs)…Had the second-best career punt return average (15.8 yards) in school history, achieved on 27 attempts for 427 yards with 3 TDs. Also ran back 29 kickoffs for 891 yards (30.7 avg.) and 3 touchdowns as a collegian. Started 36 straight games at cornerback to conclude his Irish career. Had 7 collegiate interceptions, along with 144 total tackles (92 solo), 2 sacks, 3 stops for loss and 12 passes defensed. Served as one of three senior captains in 1997, when he ranked fourth nationally with a 28.5-yard average on 20 kickoff returns, including 2 for scores. Also made a career-best 53 tackles his senior season, among them a game-saving stop on the final play of win over Navy, knocking Middies’ wide receiver out of bounds at the one-yard line following a 69-yard pass play. Led the nation in punt return average (22.9 yards) as a 1996 junior. Was the only player in the country to return three punts for touchdowns in 1996. Also scored on the opening kickoff of Purdue game that year – a career-long 99-yarder – to set a new Notre Dame single-season mark of 4 return TDs. Tied NCAA and school records with two punt return touchdowns (of 83 and 55 yards) in the second quarter of 1996 victory over Pittsburgh. Returned a pair of interceptions for scores as a 1995 sophomore, including a 76-yarder in the final minute at Washington to seal 29-21 victory. Played behind the All-American Taylor (later a teammate with Philadelphia) his freshman year. Earned All-America honors in track as a freshman and junior, including a seventh-place finish in the 55-meter dash (6.26 seconds) at the 1997 NCAA indoor championships in Indianapolis. Holds B.A. degrees in both marketing and computer applications.


Personal Bio

He played football and ran track at Skyline High School in Dallas. He earned three letters in football as a wishbone quarterback, wide receiver and defensive back. He rushed for 1,634 yards and had 12 touchdown receptions as a senior. He also made 580 total tackles and 13 interceptions as a prep, winning second-team all-state recognition his senior season. Rossum captained the school’s track squad all four years. He posted the fastest time in the nation in the 100 meters (10.02 seconds) in 1993. He is one of eight children. His hobbies include billiards and video games. Born Allen Rossum on October 22, 1975 in Dallas, Texas. He and his wife, Angela, have three daughters: twins Alexa and Avian, and Trinity Amaia.

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FOOTEupyourarse
09-03-2007, 08:58 AM
i wasnt trying to compare him to coclough but i dont understand why reid still has a roster spot and walter young does not? is reid a better wr than young?

ShutDown24
09-03-2007, 09:17 AM
I think the problem here is that not many people know who he is unless they are a total NFL JUNKIE (me)... I will give a little extra information about him...

Rossum is a great guy off the field first and for most. He runs charities and does events for many diffrent good causes. He co-operates a very successful charity with (I think) former Packers fullback William Henderson... He beat DeAngelo Hall out for the return man posistion on the Falcons every year he palyed there if that tells you anything aboujt his return skills... Hall wanted it too, it wasn't a job he had to take because a better star didn't wanna do speacil teams... Despite all the negative feedback I have been seeing here he isn't a bad corner... Certantly not a bad corner compared to anyone below Ike on the Steelers roster... Think Townsend as far as coverage goes... Strong tackler for his size, weak against anything above moderate receivers on longer routes... With Quincy Morgan return skills... Consistant returner... Very good returner... Isn't going to break a ton for 6...

I wish Verron was still here and don't know why they didn't try him at returns because I think Haynes would have been a very good return man (3rd down back hands = lots of screens/passes = good hands) but if he is going anyway I love the Rossum pick up as stated many times by myself before...

83-Steelers-43
09-03-2007, 11:03 AM
I think the problem here is that not many people know who he is unless they are a total NFL JUNKIE (me)... I will give a little extra information about him...

If you watch Steelers football, it's not that hard to forget him.....

Click on clip: http://www.nfl.com/players/allenrossum/profile?id=ROS771225

FOOTEupyourarse
09-03-2007, 11:08 AM
I think the problem here is that not many people know who he is unless they are a total NFL JUNKIE (me)... I will give a little extra information about him...

Rossum is a great guy off the field first and for most. He runs charities and does events for many diffrent good causes. He co-operates a very successful charity with (I think) former Packers fullback William Henderson... He beat DeAngelo Hall out for the return man posistion on the Falcons every year he palyed there if that tells you anything aboujt his return skills... Hall wanted it too, it wasn't a job he had to take because a better star didn't wanna do speacil teams... Despite all the negative feedback I have been seeing here he isn't a bad corner... Certantly not a bad corner compared to anyone below Ike on the Steelers roster... Think Townsend as far as coverage goes... Strong tackler for his size, weak against anything above moderate receivers on longer routes... With Quincy Morgan return skills... Consistant returner... Very good returner... Isn't going to break a ton for 6...

I wish Verron was still here and don't know why they didn't try him at returns because I think Haynes would have been a very good return man (3rd down back hands = lots of screens/passes = good hands) but if he is going anyway I love the Rossum pick up as stated many times by myself before...

Hands down i would take Townsend over rossum. i would take mcfadden AND coclough over rossum. at this point i would take GAY over rossum.
....with Quincy Morgan return skills? then why not sign Q instead of trading for rossum. HE IS NOT A DB, he is a return specialist and i hope he is great for us but i think we could have used a WR more.

rog
09-03-2007, 11:16 AM
Hands down i would take Townsend over rossum. i would take mcfadden AND coclough over rossum. at this point i would take GAY over rossum.
....with Quincy Morgan return skills? then why not sign Q instead of trading for rossum. HE IS NOT A DB, he is a return specialist and i hope he is great for us but i think we could have used a WR more.

Rossum wasn't brought in to take any of those guys jobs he was brought in to return punts and kicks that's it. The fact that he plays CB is an after thought, Ya that means more depth but only depth. To assume he is coming in here and is going to play a ton on D is crazy at this point. The fact that they cut Young (which everyone seems to disagree with) must show that the coaches were not impressed with him. He could catch but has no speed.

ShutDown24
09-03-2007, 11:19 AM
If you watch Steelers football, it's not that hard to forget him.....

Click on clip: http://www.nfl.com/players/allenrossum/profile?id=ROS771225

That is a dime a dozen return... Lol I thought it was gonna be something incredible... Nah at least that shows you what he can do... Then again that was against our pitiful STeams last year...

Hands down i would take Townsend over rossum. i would take mcfadden AND coclough over rossum. at this point i would take GAY over rossum.
....with Quincy Morgan return skills? then why not sign Q instead of trading for rossum. HE IS NOT A DB, he is a return specialist and i hope he is great for us but i think we could have used a WR more. - Footeupyours

I disagree - I think we need corners much more. Ward - Holmes more than quality starters... Wilson slighlty above average third receiver... From there it is a little weak but Reid has a ton of promise plus if we always need one we can pick a Lee Mays or Morgan up when the need arises...

NO WAY is he worse than Coclough. The way I would line our DBs up now as far as skill is IKE - McFadden - Townsend - Rossum - Gay... Coclough should have been cut long ago.

FOOTEupyourarse
09-03-2007, 11:32 AM
coclough is not the answer at return man but he is a solid corner. we might have one of the best and deepest secondarys in the league but as far as WR goes we arent as deep. hines is hines, holmes is breaking out, wilson is ok, washington has potential if he gets his head out of his but, willie reid has showed me nothing so far. ok so he is fast but that didnt help him returning punts did it? they havent been giving him a lot of time or looks at WR in the preseason which consearns me. if we start running four receiver sets and god forbid one of our WR's gets hurt are we gonna have to count on reid. i guess we will just let him run around the field cause he is fast

ShutDown24
09-03-2007, 11:36 AM
That's odd that you say the secondary is deep because it's considered by almost everyone to be the weak spot of our defense which I agree with. Young talent but not much experiance.

rog
09-03-2007, 11:40 AM
I would not worry about the 4th and 5th wide recievers that much. I would say they are about as good as any teams 4th and 5th recievers. If you start thinking about injuries now you will drive yourself crazy. Not many teams have a good 4th reciever let alone a good 5th reciever capable of stepping in for a 1,2 or 3 reciever on a long term basis and be productive. That's why their 4th and 5th recievers.

rbryan
09-03-2007, 11:43 AM
All I know is that Reid scares me on returns. Almost as much as he appears to be scared of doing it. I think if he doesn't show something this year he will be gone next.

ShutDown24
09-03-2007, 11:45 AM
I would not worry about the 4th and 5th wide recievers that much. I would say they are about as good as any teams 4th and 5th recievers. If you start thinking about injuries now you will drive yourself crazy. Not many teams have a good 4th reciever let alone a good 5th reciever capable of stepping in for a 1,2 or 3 reciever on a long term basis and be productive. That's why their 4th and 5th recievers.

I agree

PalmerSteel
09-03-2007, 12:03 PM
after watching the game last night, reid does not impress me at returning at all. i think its a good move FOR NOW. the guy made the pro bowl in 2005 for being a returner. i think its a good enough pickup for our special teams, one of our weakest points last year. i hope reid starts to get it, but if not i am glad we got someone that has been to the pro bowl for being a returner just 2 sesons ago.

X-Terminator
09-03-2007, 12:33 PM
What is this "oh... thats right, I'm talking about Steelers fans?"
Any true fan of any team is gonna question moves like this dont ya think? Steelers Fans are the Greatest Fans In The World in My Opinion...
:tt02:

Steelers fans may be the greatest in the world, but they have absolutely zero patience. How in the world can anyone declare this guy a bust before he even takes the field? Especially with his track record? OK, the man fumbled a few times in his career and lost a few, but Devin Hester fumbled ELEVEN TIMES total last season. He fumbled 6 times on PRs alone, and three times fumbled at least 3 times in a game - one of which was in their first playoff game against Seattle. Now granted, he did lose just 2 of those fumbles, but he still put the ball on the ground way too much. But yet, if the Steelers had signed Hester, there wouldn't be one person who would complain about it.

Rossum, BTW, only fumbled twice last season and did not lose either one. In fact, he has fewer total fumbles in the past 5 seasons (10) than Hester did last season alone.

Rossum's stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/allenrossum/profile?id=ROS771225)

Hester's stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/devinhester/careerstats?id=HES267217)

So let's not hang him just yet.

HometownGal
09-03-2007, 12:44 PM
Steelers fans may be the greatest in the world, but they have absolutely zero patience. How in the world can anyone declare this guy a bust before he even takes the field? Especially with his track record? OK, the man fumbled a few times in his career and lost a few, but Devin Hester fumbled ELEVEN TIMES total last season. He fumbled 6 times on PRs alone, and three times fumbled at least 3 times in a game - one of which was in their first playoff game against Seattle. Now granted, he did lose just 2 of those fumbles, but he still put the ball on the ground way too much. But yet, if the Steelers had signed Hester, there wouldn't be one person who would complain about it.

Rossum, BTW, only fumbled twice last season and did not lose either one. In fact, he has fewer total fumbles in the past 5 seasons (10) than Hester did last season alone.

So let's not hang him just yet.

Hallelujah - someone else gets it around here. :banana:

I don't give a rat's hiney what Rossum has done in the past - he's on the Steelers roster now and all I care about is what he can bring to the team from this point on.

He wasn't brought here as a defender as someone above mentioned - he was brought to the Burgh to help with returns, which is an area we still are a bit lax in. Tomlin wants to have all of his ducks in a row to begin the season which is highly commendable. :tt02:

I'm giving the guy a chance as I do every other Steelers player.

ShutDown24
09-03-2007, 12:52 PM
Steelers fans may be the greatest in the world, but they have absolutely zero patience. How in the world can anyone declare this guy a bust before he even takes the field? Especially with his track record? OK, the man fumbled a few times in his career and lost a few, but Devin Hester fumbled ELEVEN TIMES total last season. He fumbled 6 times on PRs alone, and three times fumbled at least 3 times in a game - one of which was in their first playoff game against Seattle. Now granted, he did lose just 2 of those fumbles, but he still put the ball on the ground way too much. But yet, if the Steelers had signed Hester, there wouldn't be one person who would complain about it.

Rossum, BTW, only fumbled twice last season and did not lose either one. In fact, he has fewer total fumbles in the past 5 seasons (10) than Hester did last season alone.

Rossum's stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/allenrossum/profile?id=ROS771225)

Hester's stats (http://www.nfl.com/players/devinhester/careerstats?id=HES267217)

So let's not hang him just yet.

Great post... Little off-topic but speaking of Hester... The Bears are making a big mistake using him on offense in my opinion... He was a good DB and will get worn out with too many touches I think...

Elvis
09-03-2007, 01:34 PM
Hey.. Iam not hanging the guy... I love the fact that maybe Coclough wont be returning kicks for sure now. I just know as a fan of any sport that when a team of mine makes a decision to pick someone up I am gonna first ask myself "now, how are they gonna use him? or I wonder if he is any good at DB or RB or whatever position they have them listed at other than PR or KR." I think that Rossum will give us a big boost on special teams this season...
:tt02:

stillers4me
09-03-2007, 02:08 PM
Is it Sunday yet??

Steelerstrength
09-03-2007, 02:35 PM
This pick-up is simply a wake-up call for Reid! Hold on to the f-in' ball Willy!

This poll has my vote for the "Best-worded" post for the off-season!!!! :sofunny::sofunny::sofunny:

DACEB
09-03-2007, 03:04 PM
I don't give a rat's hiney what Rossum has done in the past - he's on the Steelers roster now and all I care about is what he can bring to the team from this point on.

He wasn't brought here as a defender as someone above mentioned - he was brought to the Burgh to help with returns, which is an area we still are a bit lax in. Tomlin wants to have all of his ducks in a row to begin the season which is highly commendable. :tt02:

I'm giving the guy a chance as I do every other Steelers player.

Rossum is a VERY good return man, and I would say an excellent #6 CB.

HG is right about Tomlin wanting to cover all the bases. Rossum will sure up a very uncertain return game.

Anywhich way you slice it we were going to have 10 DBs on the roster, so no ones roster spot was taken.

The Duke
09-03-2007, 03:14 PM
If rossum does play some CB he can help us on deep situations with his speed, something I don't think Bryant and Deshea have so much

delhess
09-03-2007, 03:24 PM
He has to be better than Ricardo Coclough and I hate to think about Holmes being out there taking more hits on punt returns than he needs to.
:tt02:

i would have to agree that holmes doesn't need to be out there. he stands to be next in line to be a premiere receiver for pittsburgh. plus, i still remember all the dropped balls. if we have a guy on special teams that can get 5 yards a return and never , yes, never drops the ball, then it is a success in my book.

DACEB
09-03-2007, 04:15 PM
if we have a guy on special teams that can get 5 yards a return and never , yes, never drops the ball, then it is a success in my book.

Damn, expectations have fallen off alot haven't they!! At this point, I couldn't agree more.

I think our return game will be much improved, beyond those expectations!!

83-Steelers-43
09-03-2007, 06:31 PM
Damn, expectations have fallen off alot haven't they!! At this point, I couldn't agree more.

I think our return game will be much improved, beyond those expectations!!

For me, I just like the fact that a move was made. For a team who has a history of not having the greatest ST in the league (putting it mildly), it's refreshing to see moves made before the problem bites us in the butt instead of making a move after we lose to the Bengals at home partly because of horrible ST play.

Maybe Reid bounces back and proves that he's capable of returning punts, maybe he doesn't. Apparently our HC doesn't want to wait around and see. Maybe he lacks patience? Eitherway it's nice to know that we have another option outside of Santonio Holmes, Cedrick Wilson and Ricardo freakin' Colclough. I'm not sure I want to see Holmes or Wilson go down with injury weakening an already thin WR corp or seeing the great Colclough.

Also, maybe Reid is just not PR material? So he did a nice job in college. That doesn't always mean it will translate to the NFL. If anything, (like Preacher and I agreed on) I think he will make a solid #3 or #4 WR in the future. Good speed, seems to get open and oddly enough.....can catch the ball (just ask Anthony Smith).

StinkyB
09-03-2007, 07:10 PM
I just like to call people a dick, so that is how i voted.

revefsreleets
09-03-2007, 08:37 PM
More succinct stats:

Kick Returns

* Number: 375
* Yds: 8553
* Avg: 22.8
* Long: 92
* TD: 3
* 40 yd+:19

Punt Returns

* Number: 207
* Yards: 2229
* Avg: 10.8
* Lng:75
* TD:3
* 20 yd+:32

He was brought in as a value backup who can play more than one position. What is much more important is the fact that the Steelers roster is deemed so strong by the FO that all we need is one utility guy to round it out.

steelpride12
09-03-2007, 09:34 PM
He will boost our return game no doubt and yes he is garbage at DB but hey we couldn't get any worse at that position.

fansince'76
09-03-2007, 09:39 PM
....yes he is garbage at DB but hey we couldn't get any worse at that position.

How quickly folks forget Charred Scott and DeWayne Washington....

ShutDown24
09-03-2007, 10:01 PM
How quickly folks forget Charred Scott and DeWayne Washington....

Lol that's true...

Preacher
09-04-2007, 01:48 AM
I'm with rog and wedo on this one. I didn't vote, as none of the choices applied to my feelings on the move.

I'm going with the wait and see approach. I'm not going to damn the guy until I see what he brings to the table.

And finally...

a voice of moderation... no pun intended.

You're exactly right HTG. We need to see what he will bring to the team.

(no answer for me on this one as well. Just didn't match with any of them.)

Steel Pit
09-04-2007, 02:42 AM
i think its a wasted roster spot, that should've been used on a younger prospect such as cappizzi.


Yeah you're right, :thumbsup: It's hard to imagine that the Steelers would "waste a roster spot" on a veteran who predominately plays special teams.

Oh wait a minute, Didn't the Steelers waste a roster spot the last 3 seasons on a "special teams DEMON" named Sean Morey? LOL,

The numbers...........

Recent Career Receiving Kickoff Returns Punt Returns Fumbles
Year Team G Rec Yds Y/G Avg Lng YAC 1stD TD KR Yds Avg Long TD PR Yds Avg Long TD Fum FumL

2004 Pittsburgh 16 1 8 0.5 8.0 8 0.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2005 Pittsburgh 15 0 0 0.0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
2006 Pittsburgh 16 2 29 1.8 14.5 15 3.0 2 0 8 202 25.3 76 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
Career Totals (Full) 47 3 37 0.8 12.3 15 2.0 3 0 15 295 19.7 76 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

Now this guys 3 year roster spot would have been better served by a "younger prospect"


Rossum is a great addition and I assure you that by mid-season, he will have surpassed the 3 year contributions of Sean Morey.

atlsteelers
09-04-2007, 10:24 AM
I am calling it - awesome rossum will have a TD on sunday!

Livinginthe past
09-04-2007, 11:09 AM
I am calling it - awesome rossum will have a TD on sunday!

Only if he plays DB..and a WR scores it.

Bet me.....if you dare.

Mosca
09-04-2007, 11:53 AM
I picked "neither here nor there". The guy will take kickoffs to between the 25 and 35, he'll pick up between 5 and 15 yards per punt return.

You won't see fumbles at the 5, and you won't see 50 yard returns. You'll see the offense getting the ball and getting an opportunity.


Tom

NJarhead
09-04-2007, 06:53 PM
For the last time, HE'S NOT A CORNER!!!

He's a return specialist that went to a pro bowl in '05. He a definite upgrade in the return game. The Steelers won't rely on his cover skills.

I believe people will be singing a different tune shortly.

I agree..., as would anyone who knows anything about football over the last 10 years. He's second only to D. Hester in the return game. I was really excited about the move. Reid did little to make us forget EL on returns. Rossum will not only do that but he can also mentor Reid.

Kudos Coach Tomlin!
:cheers:

rbryan
09-04-2007, 07:47 PM
Just heard Et Douchedde chime in on Sports Beat. He doesn't approve by the way, thinks it should be Holmes. When did Ed become such a dick??

Preacher
09-04-2007, 10:28 PM
Only if he plays DB..and a WR scores it.

Bet me.....if you dare.

Is it just me... or is LITP just becoming annoying lately?

tony hipchest
09-04-2007, 11:11 PM
Is it just me... or is LITP just becoming annoying lately?:yep:

Preacher
09-05-2007, 12:02 AM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/peytonandtom.jpg

wow. this post has its own thread written all over it.

Wow. that pic sure does say it all, doesn't it?

Livinginthe past
09-05-2007, 05:59 AM
Is it just me... or is LITP just becoming annoying lately?

Lately? :hunch:

:wink02:

Livinginthe past
09-05-2007, 06:02 AM
Instead of childishly posting 'smack' where it it shouldn't be, how about getting it rolling in the BF?

That way I can dismantle that stupid post, bit by bit.

Why's every thread got to be about the Patriots, I hear people ask.

Your answer is a few posts above.

Aussie_steeler
09-05-2007, 06:21 AM
Where were we? Alan Rossum Poll.

I am still undecided so my vote is "neither here nor there"

An upgrade over colclough and possibly trying to protect Santonio from injury on returns.
Lets hope he shows some of his previous probowl form.

atlsteelers
09-05-2007, 12:32 PM
Only if he plays DB..and a WR scores it.

Bet me.....if you dare.

i am sure the brownies will be doing alot of punting so he will have plenty of opportunities....were do live, maybe bet a six pack of the local beer of choice....although i should get 4 to 1 odds....so if he gets a TD i get 24 beers if he fails to get a TD a send you a six pack of sweetwater..

shutdown
09-05-2007, 12:59 PM
I picked "neither here nor there". The guy will take kickoffs to between the 25 and 35, he'll pick up between 5 and 15 yards per punt return.

You won't see fumbles at the 5, and you won't see 50 yard returns. You'll see the offense getting the ball and getting an opportunity.


Tom

Thats ALL I want right now. I am tired of having to turn away from the TV and hope we can at least just field the punt cleanly.

Preacher
09-06-2007, 01:39 AM
Where were we? Alan Rossum Poll.

I am still undecided so my vote is "neither here nor there"

An upgrade over colclough and possibly trying to protect Santonio from injury on returns.
Lets hope he shows some of his previous probowl form.

That was hilarious!!!

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-06-2007, 04:12 AM
Thats ALL I want right now. I am tired of having to turn away from the TV and hope we can at least just field the punt cleanly.

I agree...I'll take consistancy and ball control over an occassional long return at this point!!!!

Preacher
09-06-2007, 02:21 PM
I agree...I'll take consistancy and ball control over an occassional long return at this point!!!!

Yep. But wouldn't it be nice to be able to start drives a little further up the field as well... Kind of a both/and situation.

Kvnfaber
09-07-2007, 08:44 AM
Give Rossum a chance. I'll take him as a quality upgrade as a return specialist for sure. Let's see what he does, and if he still has those quick feet as he is getting older :P

Steel Pit
09-10-2007, 04:59 AM
Was it just me or did it seem as if the Browns were scared to punt the ball to Rossum? Man nearly every punt hit the ground 10 yards in front of him.

Crushzilla
09-10-2007, 05:02 AM
Was it just me or did it seem as if the Browns were scared to punt the ball to Rossum? Man nearly every punt hit the ground 10 yards in front of him.

I think their punter was a last minute acquisition, sometime within 24 hours of game time, due to an injury.

stillers4me
09-10-2007, 05:03 AM
Wasn't it great seeing ST's contributing to the victory instead of giving up real estate????

Tomlin has made it clear....if you're part of the problem, you're history.

83-Steelers-43
09-23-2007, 06:48 PM
And once again, welcome to the Pittsburgh Steelers Mr. Rossum. :smile:

Tim
09-23-2007, 06:53 PM
It's rather amazing the turnround in our special teams. I'm not sure it's all Rossum, but something is definitely better.

83-Steelers-43
09-23-2007, 06:57 PM
It's rather amazing the turnround in our special teams. I'm not sure it's all Rossum, but something is definitely better.

By no means is it all Rossum. The return defense is better. Reed is kicking the ball deeper. And then..........we don't have Colclough or Reid fumbling the ball on returns and giving the opposing team the ball on our 30 or 20. That's a big plus.

I will say this......after the 49ers walked down the field on us with ease in the very beginning of the game and put up three, the crowd was dead. After Rossum returned that kick for 98 yards the crowd was back in that game and we haulted the 49ers on the next drive.

stillers4me
09-23-2007, 06:59 PM
Another smart move by the Tomlinator!

steelwolf21
09-23-2007, 08:42 PM
I'd say he's already worth a late round pick. And the season's only three games old!

lilyoder6
09-23-2007, 08:48 PM
damn good move by him... but u really can't coun tfor the 1st game b/c i don't think he was rdy... so 1 td in 3 games... keeps that avg he'll be very appreciated

polamalufan43
09-23-2007, 08:56 PM
Well, based on the season so far... still waiting to see
Based on the game today...welcome to pittsburgh

~Polamalufan43:tt02:

Preacher
09-24-2007, 01:13 AM
By no means is it all Rossum. The return defense is better. Reed is kicking the ball deeper. And then..........we don't have Colclough or Reid fumbling the ball on returns and giving the opposing team the ball on our 30 or 20. That's a big plus.

I will say this......after the 49ers walked down the field on us with ease in the very beginning of the game and put up three, the crowd was dead. After Rossum returned that kick for 98 yards the crowd was back in that game and we haulted the 49ers on the next drive.

I agree with you. But I will say this. It sure is nice knowing that when we are supposed to get the ball back, we are going to get the ball back. That is what Rossum brings. He seems to have good hands and knows what he is doing. THEN... he is also able to break one.

That is just the icing on the cake. But hey... we ALL love icing don't we?

Edman
09-24-2007, 01:26 AM
And that folks, is why Special Teams is so special and so deathly important to all games. Rewind to last year. Do the 2006 Steelers w/ Bill show that fire and resolve on ST? I would place my bets on no.

If this were the 2006 version w/ Bill Cowher, we just might lose this game.

Galax Steeler
09-24-2007, 03:59 AM
That looked good seeing rossum returning that kick for a touchdown hadn't seen it in a while.

delhess
09-24-2007, 05:34 AM
I agree with you. But I will say this. It sure is nice knowing that when we are supposed to get the ball back, we are going to get the ball back. That is what Rossum brings. He seems to have good hands and knows what he is doing. THEN... he is also able to break one.

That is just the icing on the cake. But hey... we ALL love icing don't we?

w/o the cake, the icing doesn't taste nearly as good. i love the fact that st is not a liability this year!! give ben some field position, and i bet he will keep delivering! go steelers!

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-24-2007, 07:41 AM
"I'm not saying it was easy, but the way they blocked on that play, my 4-year-old could have scored."
Monday, September 24, 2007
By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Mike Tomlin wasn't the only one who got tired of watching Allen Rossum hurt his teams in Tampa Bay and Minnesota with kickoff and punt returns. Inside linebacker James Farrior, who has been in the NFL for 11 seasons, also got weary of watching Rossum pile up long returns.

Until yesterday.

"I've been waiting for that one," Farrior said.

Tomlin traded a 2008 conditional draft choice to the Atlanta Falcons on the day he was preparing his final 53-man roster to acquire Rossum, and the reason was on display in the first quarter at Heinz Field, moments after the San Francisco 49ers had taken a 3-0 lead.

It wasn't just that Rossum returned the ensuing kickoff 98 yards for a touchdown, the Steelers' first kickoff return for a touchdown in almost five years. It was the manner in which he turned what was supposed to be a left return into an easy touchdown through the middle of the 49ers' coverage unit, never changing speeds and never being touched by a San Francisco defender.

"It's so easy in practice," he said. "You think, man, if something like that could happen in a game. ... I'm not saying it was easy, but the way they blocked on that play, my 4-year-old could have scored."

That's how easy Rossum makes it look, and the reason Tomlin traded to get him the week before the regular season started. After watching him torture his teams when Rossum played in Green Bay and Atlanta, Tomlin was glad to have him on his side.

Rossum's touchdown quickly erased the only deficit the Steelers have faced this season and provided what Tomlin thought was the impetus for a 37-16 victory against the 49ers -- a game in which the offense, defense and special teams each contributed a touchdown.

"I thought Rossum's return was awesome," Tomlin said. "You can't deny the spark [his] play gave us."

He made it look so easy, cutting behind a block by tight end Jerame Tuman and racing up the middle. By the time he reached kicker Joe Nedney, Rossum angled toward the sideline and breezed the rest of the way for a touchdown.

"It was probably the easiest touchdown I've ever scored," Rossum said. "I was untouched and I only had to make one move. My blockers did a great job. You always want things like that."

Later, he added, "It feels good. More importantly, we won the game. That's why it feels good."

This, of course, is nothing new for Rossum, a 10-year veteran who made the 2005 Pro Bowl as a kick-return specialist.

It was his fourth kickoff return for a touchdown in his career and seventh touchdown overall (he also has three punt returns for scores). But it was the first time the Steelers had a kick return for a touchdown since Antwaan Randle El returned one 99 yards in October 2002 against the Cincinnati Bengals. It was also the third- longest kick return in team history, tying Will Blackwell.

"He has great straight-line speed," Tomlin said. "His zero to 60, as they say, is very good, and he can put his foot in the ground and change direction."

"That's what makes him good -- he has a great burst," special teams coach Bob Ligashesky said. "He stays fast out of his cuts. He doesn't slow down to change directions. Plus he has great vision. You have to have the ability to see that in order to make that cut."

Ligashesky said the return was designed to go to the left, toward the Steelers' bench. But Rossum saw the opening in the middle of the field and cut behind Tuman, who is part of the wedge with LaMarr Woodley and Dan Kreider. "He's supposed to run right off my butt," Tuman said. "And that's pretty much what he did."

Ligashesky said linebackers Lawrence Timmons, Clint Kriewaldt and James Harrison also had good blocks on the play, creating the crease in the middle of the field.

Rossum improvised the rest.

"It just kind of opened up," Rossum said. "That shows the guys on the backside did their job. It means guys on the other side who aren't involved in the play did a good job. It started with my wedge, but nobody was close to touching me.

"It was a big play. I think we needed it. It sparked our offense. Now we have the confidence we can score touchdowns [on special teams]."

Some of the Steelers already knew that.

"I've been watching him for a couple years and I know he's a special return guy," Farrior said.

X-Terminator
09-24-2007, 07:49 AM
Whatever happened to giving the guy a chance before you run him out of town? Oh that's right, I'm talking about Steelers fans - nevermind. Whatever was I thinking? :dang:

I like the move, and the haters will be getting on their hands and knees to kiss his feet after his first big return or return TD.

Quoted for posterity. :smile:

nojobny
09-24-2007, 09:41 AM
His runback is currently a "Can't Miss Plays" video on the NFL.com site

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d802a00a9

SteelFist
09-24-2007, 09:43 AM
He has the speed of Darrell Green....and the vision of Brian Mitchell.

A Great Pickup!!

SteelFist
09-24-2007, 09:47 AM
i think its a wasted roster spot, that should've been used on a younger prospect such as cappizzi.


Still feel that way?? :sofunny: :tt02:

steelerbackr4life
09-24-2007, 09:48 AM
The best part about Rossum for me is that all the Beagle fans around me are crying that they dont have any decent return men

Jman
09-24-2007, 10:08 AM
I haven't watched his career or anything so I can't speak much on the past. I know for the games he has played as a Steeler, he has done fairly well.

klick81
09-24-2007, 10:33 AM
WOOT WOOT! What a pick up!

atlsteelers
09-24-2007, 11:58 AM
I am calling it - awesome rossum will have a TD on sunday!

My prediction was a couple of weeks early - but Awesome Rossum got me my TD!

stillers4me
09-24-2007, 05:55 PM
And if Angela's happy...........everybody's happy. :wink02:

HometownGal
09-24-2007, 09:13 PM
How would a few of you like your crow - baked, poached or deep fried? :flap::flap:

http://www.kojinshugi.com/wp-content/crow.jpg