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revefsreleets
09-04-2007, 06:37 PM
This is a tough one, so any help is appreciated.

I recently updated from Xbox to the 360. I have an HDTV. Before I go farther, my TV is out of warranty, so there is no relief in that respect. I should also point out that I invested enough in the TV, and it's of sufficient quality, that I'm not considering replacing it.

Anyway, the 360 runs on HD via component cables. I have 2 CC inputs on the back of my TV, and one HDMI/DVI (which I run my cable box off). The HDMI input works perfectly. The 2 CC jacks are the problem. CC 1 doesn't work at all, and CC 2 receives sound and a picture (in HD) but only in black and white. If I fiddle with it, I get color, but never full color all at once. So I have a few questions.

First, does anyone know enough about TV repair to give me a fix off the cuff? I mean like it's a loose wire or a bad solder or something I can fix myself? Or is there a work around that anyone knows of? A CC-HDMI switch that I can employ? I'm assuming calling a TV repairman is going to cost me hundreds of dollars and I want to exhaust any and all alternative solutions before I go that route.

Thanks in advance to anyone who has any ideas.

fansince'76
09-04-2007, 07:22 PM
I'm more of a PC/network guy, and I'm not familiar at all with the newer console games by any stretch, but would a HDMI switch box possibly fill the bill? That way, you could conceivably connect your cable box and 360 to the switch box, connect the switch box to the HDTV, and be able to toggle back and forth between them.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011001&p_id=2786&seq=1&format=2&style=

Dynasty
09-04-2007, 07:52 PM
If you're getting color than it might be a bad connection in something. Do other devices work well with the input? If they do, then you can get a replacement XBOX cable. One of the plugs might have been mis-shapen... In component, I'm fairly certain that each cable provides a different source of color, so I don't know why it's in black and white...

EDIT: by fiddle, I assume you meant wiggling the cable?

revefsreleets
09-04-2007, 08:03 PM
Fan, the HDMI switch is a good idea, but I first need to convert the 360 component cable to HDMI for it to work. I actually got an email from a friend who found an HDMI switch (3-1) AND a component cable to HDMI converter, and the whole set up is about $130. I'm sure that's cheaper than having a repair guy out.

Dynasty, you're exactly right. I'm 90% sure that is a loose wire or a bad connection or something. I checked both jacks with very good quality component cables with both my cable box and my DVD player, and had the same results. It's definitely the cc input jacks on the TV that are bad.

I guess my real question is if anybody has ever had a similar problem. Is it beyond me to open up the TV and try to repair it myself? Or am I just being a cheap bastard and should just pay to have it fixed?

GBMelBlount
09-04-2007, 08:31 PM
Reve,

This is a forum for audio video enthusiasts. Hopefully this will help.

http://avforum.com/

Hines0wnz
09-05-2007, 01:12 AM
If you dont know how to read schematics or have never worked on a circuit board with electronic components then be very very cautious if you decide to go the DIY route. I've been an electronics tech for years and I am hesitant to work on equipment I am not comfortably familiar with so you dont want it to cost you even more :cash if something is messed up.

Preacher
09-05-2007, 02:56 AM
Hey... here is a thought.

If you plan to build a Stereo system, get one that you can run video through as well. That way, you have one video out, taking care of the one input you are using. Then, run everything else through the head unit of the system. That way, you can sit on your couch, use the remote control and change through all your inputs.

Maybe it would work... or maybe it is completely out there. Just thought I would give it a shot!

MACH1
09-05-2007, 10:36 AM
Here's another place to get some answers.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/

Hammer67
09-05-2007, 11:35 AM
I think Preach has the best answer...instead of dropping $130 on just an HDMI switch, I would opt for a Home Theater reciever. My Yamaha reciever is great and it has component and HDMI inputs and an HDMI output. Basically the switch described above yet built in to an Audio receiver. That would be your best bet.

and. www.avsforum.com is a great site....another would be www.hometheaterspot.com.

revefsreleets
09-05-2007, 04:55 PM
Thanks everyone. I need to do some reading now, but the idea of using the receiver is perfect, and I'm kind of mad at myself for not thinking of it. But that's part of what these forums are for, no?

Would this work? I'm looking to do this on the cheap, and this will be my third surround system, and i only have 2 TV's.

http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL027941&pathId=30&page=2

Hammer67
09-06-2007, 12:27 PM
If you don't need the speakers, I would opt to put that money to just get a better receiver.

Preacher
09-06-2007, 02:30 PM
If you don't need the speakers, I would opt to put that money to just get a better receiver.

Excellent idea. Take the speakers from another system and put it with that one and a very good receiver. Then, you can update if you want.

However, I have found, as I have looked at BOSE and at Cambridge Soundwork systems (I have and like CS better), that most of the quality comes from the receiver and players... once you have a good quality speaker... its yours for quite a while.

Hammer... am I right on this? what do you think?

Hammer67
09-07-2007, 07:08 AM
Excellent idea. Take the speakers from another system and put it with that one and a very good receiver. Then, you can update if you want.

However, I have found, as I have looked at BOSE and at Cambridge Soundwork systems (I have and like CS better), that most of the quality comes from the receiver and players... once you have a good quality speaker... its yours for quite a while.

Hammer... am I right on this? what do you think?

Speakers should be a lifetime investment if you get a decent set. Technology doesn't change much with them. My wife gets a crazy discount on Boston Accoustics speakers from her company (she works for a corporate automotive parts supplier). Something like 25% of retail price. So, we may be investing in those. I think I priced what I wanted out...retail was roughly $1000 a speaker before the discount!
:jawdrop:

But, those should last a lifetime. The equipment...that's another story....

revefsreleets
09-07-2007, 04:27 PM
Thanks, guys. I think what I'm gonna do is take an inventory of everything I have, buy that new receiver, and mix and match the two systems for the best fit. The system in my bedroom I pretty much only use for workouts, so I can put the lessor quality stuff in there and put all the best stuff in my surround system.

I already prepaid for Halo 3, and my ultimate goal is to be enjoying it in full HD by September 25th. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

Hammer67
09-07-2007, 08:59 PM
Thanks, guys. I think what I'm gonna do is take an inventory of everything I have, buy that new receiver, and mix and match the two systems for the best fit. The system in my bedroom I pretty much only use for workouts, so I can put the lessor quality stuff in there and put all the best stuff in my surround system.

I already prepaid for Halo 3, and my ultimate goal is to be enjoying it in full HD by September 25th. I'll let you guys know how it goes.


I'd like a Halo 3 review...I may end up getting it. I can't wait for the inevitable Gears of War sequel.

revefsreleets
09-08-2007, 03:46 PM
I'd like a Halo 3 review...I may end up getting it. I can't wait for the inevitable Gears of War sequel.

Done. When I bought it, the kid started telling me about the midnight release and all that, and I stopped him pretty quick. I'm not a fanboy, and I have a serious 9-5, so I may not get the game the second it's released, but I'll have it within 24 hours. I'll post up my impressions, and I will definitely be holding it up against Gears, which totally kicked ass.

Preacher
09-08-2007, 03:49 PM
you know...

After doom... I got so burned out of first person games...


Is it REALLy worth it to by this one? Tell me... cause if it is, I may have to go rent it and check it out myself!

ShutDown24
09-08-2007, 03:50 PM
As crazy as it sounds jiggle the 360 HD cables around... Specifically where they plung into the console... If that doesn't work, return your HD cables for the 360 for new ones... The cable that goes from the 360 to the traditional white, yellow and red plugs have a TON of problems and are made very cheaply. I wouldn't expect better quality from the HD ones... It could be as simple as that. Probably not but if all else fails you have nothing to lose. Good luck.

ShutDown24
09-08-2007, 03:52 PM
I'm getting H3 at midnight from GS... I'll write what I think as soon as I get it but... You can already find substantiol content on the game from when the beta was out... Did youp lay the beta? If I not I suggest you look up the halo3 beta reviews and vids on youtube or GameTrailers or somewhere...

revefsreleets
09-08-2007, 03:54 PM
SD, I exhausted every possibility.

Preach, I give Doom 3 a 3 of 5 compared to Gears 5 of 5. It is really that much better. I give Halo 2 a 4 of 5 compared to Gears, and I really expect 3 to be that much better.

ShutDown24
09-08-2007, 04:01 PM
Gears was incredible. I hope Halo 3 is really good because it's going to be really hard to find a good GoW online match when it does...

Hammer67
09-09-2007, 09:15 AM
SD, I exhausted every possibility.

Preach, I give Doom 3 a 3 of 5 compared to Gears 5 of 5. It is really that much better. I give Halo 2 a 4 of 5 compared to Gears, and I really expect 3 to be that much better.

I have to say that Gears changed my impression of shooters on the consoles. I was never impressed with Halo 1 and 2 or any of the WW2 shooters on the consoles. PC's are where FPS shine as nothing beats the accuracy and response of a mouse for aiming.

But Gears....changed the controls to make them more intuitive for consoles...and the story and graphics are straight out of Hollywood.

I usually hate online play and Gears was no exception...endlessly running around fragging people online in quick matches kind loses it's edge for me. The real meat of the game was the CO OP story mode! I loved playing with my buddy back in the burgh over Live. It was great. We still have a blast with it.

I hope more games follow suit and allow Co-Op play along with the other multiplayer frag fests. Some of us hate those things.

revefsreleets
09-24-2007, 07:03 PM
Alright, an update on my 360 HD situation. First off, I wasn't really doing this "on the cheap", as I have laid out about a grand up to this point just to play Halo 3, if you consider I bought the 360 for that purpose, the game, and the receiver and all the extra cables and stuff.

I went against the good advice (and my own better judgment) and bought the TH-L1 JVC system. I ended up paying too much because shipping was more than I thought. I can't return it either, because I have to pay to ship it back, and there is a bullshit 20% "restocking fee". I'd lose my ass shipping it back. Anyway, I get the thing, and it's pass through only, meaning I still have my original component to HDMI conversion problem (grrrrrr!), but, wait, it gets worse. I hook it all up, and there is no surround sound from the TV. I check it out and everything is hooked up as it should be. I open the manual only to discover that "The audio signal from HDMI input 1 and 2 is NOT REPRODUCED ON THIS SYSTEM"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Meaning I just shelled out $325 for a surround system that is vastly inferior to the two I already owned.


Needless to say, my excitement over playing Halo 3 tomorrow is greatly tempered by the fact that I'm going to be playing it in standard definition. I also found a workaround component to HDMI converter that will set me back another $179, plus the cost of yet another HDMI cable. So I'm guessing that the cost of losing surround sound while watching TV and playing Halo 3 in HD will end up costing me about $1250.

What's worse, is I'm likely to throw good money after bad and go ahead and upgrade to a receiver that does convert, which is going to cost at least another $500.

Dynasty
09-24-2007, 09:42 PM
Ouch that sucks, bro. Why did you get that system though, if you went against your judgement? It's really too bad though. Are you sure that the problem isn't with your actual X360 console? Because im sure we all know the QC issues with it.

good luck playin halo 3

revefsreleets
09-25-2007, 03:28 PM
Ouch that sucks, bro. Why did you get that system though, if you went against your judgement?

Same reason I decided to sleep with that one chick in college. Same reason I decided to stay for "just one more drink" at that one party. Same reason I moved in with a chick all my friends told me was bad news. Sometimes we just do things we know we shouldn't.

Anyway, the 360 is solid, it's definitely the TV.

Dynasty
09-25-2007, 09:02 PM
Same reason I decided to sleep with that one chick in college. Same reason I decided to stay for "just one more drink" at that one party. Same reason I moved in with a chick all my friends told me was bad news. Sometimes we just do things we know we shouldn't.

Anyway, the 360 is solid, it's definitely the TV.

Haha I like the way you put it. I would check eBay for the prices you could get for the system you just bought. I know you'd lose some cash but I guess it would be better than getting nothing... then just put the $$ to buying a better system.

like I've said before, good luck with all this stuff.