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I-Want-Troy's-Hair
09-06-2007, 07:51 PM
Some interesting reading

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_526129.html

Game plan goes through Steelers' Roethlisberger
By Mike Prisuta
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, September 6, 2007

Add "veto power" to Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger's new responsibilities.

Offensive coordinator Bruce Arians said on Thursday if Roethlisberger doesn't like a particular aspect of the game plan this season, it'll be scrapped in advance of game day -- no questions asked.

"I think it's a smart thing to do," Roethlisberger said. "I think it's done a lot of places, and that's the way it should be done.

"It hasn't been done here."

It will be this season, for Sunday's regular-season opener in Cleveland and beyond.

"We joked last year, we'd talk to 'Whiz' (former offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt) and tell him what we (as quarterbacks) liked and didn't like," Roethlisberger said. "And the plays we liked never got called and the plays we didn't like always were called.

"That's the good thing about Bruce. We're able to communicate with each other and not call plays that we don't feel comfortable with."

The Steelers finished 8-8 in 2006 after going 11-5 and winning Super Bowl XL the previous season.

They ranked No. 7 in the NFL in total offense (10th rushing, ninth passing).

Roethlisberger was seriously injured in a motorcycle accident in June 2006 and had to undergo an emergency appendectomy just prior to the opener against Miami.

He also suffered a concussion Oct. 22 at Atlanta.

Roethlisberger wound up throwing for more than 3,000 yards for the first time in his career (3,513) but he also threw a career- and NFL-high 23 interceptions.

Whisenhunt went on to become coach of the Arizona Cardinals.

"Whiz and I got along great," Roethlisberger said. "I don't know if it's fair to say (me and Arians) get along better.

"We work together a lot more than Whiz and I did, which I think probably helps. (Arians) has asked me about certain things, what I feel comfortable with, what I don't feel comfortable with, what we want to call, what we don't want to call. If I have an idea, I throw it out to him, and he lets me know if he likes it."

"A lot of things look good to coaches," Arians said. "If a guy doesn't see it on the field and he doesn't like it, it's out. There's no sense calling a play that is cloudy or a guy doesn't like."

Roethlisberger has been involved in offensive planning "since March," Arians said.

Now, the offensive coordinator and quarterback will begin meeting on Fridays about specific situations, such as the Steelers' first 15 plays, third downs and the red zone. Roethlisberger, for the first time, will have the freedom to reject what he doesn't want to run.

"In a heartbeat," Arians said.

The Steelers have assigned Roethlisberger the added responsibility of making changes in the blocking assignments at the line of scrimmage and encouraged him to call audibles this season.

"You don't want to call a play that your quarterback doesn't like or doesn't feel comfortable with," Roethlisberger said. "Then you're just putting yourself in a bad situation.

"I think that's just being a smart coordinator."

stillers4me
09-06-2007, 07:59 PM
"We joked last year, we'd talk to 'Whiz' (former offensive coordinator Ken Whisenhunt) and tell him what we (as quarterbacks) liked and didn't like," Roethlisberger said. "And the plays we liked never got called and the plays we didn't like always were called.

hmmmmmmmmmm.....................................

Stlrs4Life
09-06-2007, 09:04 PM
You guys think that this is a good move? It's good that he has a say so.

tony hipchest
09-06-2007, 09:24 PM
You guys think that this is a good move? It's good that he has a say so. definitely. unfortunately, his motorcycle crash last year left the coaches more unsure of him mentally, than physically.

delhess
09-06-2007, 09:29 PM
i don't know yet, i'll tell you in a few weeks ...lol....lol..lol..

i'm not sure about ben's judgement yet. i think we are gonna see the reins loosened this year, and i hope he has the maturity to make good decisions. so far he has done pretty well, but he was instructed what to do by the coaches in previous years, i believe.

he should have good communication w/ arians, but i don't know how much rein they should give him. i have mixed feelings about this one. ben tries to hard to carry the team sometimes (or he has in the past) and if he gets tunnel vision and tries to make big plays, they need to pull him back. on the other hand, he's been through a lot and i think we are gonna see a new ben this year. like i said , i have mixed feelings. i'm not sure this is the right move, but you have to trust that the coaches know what they're doing.

tony hipchest
09-06-2007, 09:38 PM
i don't know yet, i'll tell you in a few weeks ...lol....lol..lol..

i'm not sure about ben's judgement yet. i think we are gonna see the reins loosened this year, and i hope he has the maturity to make good decisions. so far he has done pretty well, but he was instructed what to do by the coaches in previous years, i believe.

he should have good communication w/ arians, but i don't know how much rein they should give him. i have mixed feelings about this one. ben tries to hard to carry the team sometimes (or he has in the past) and if he gets tunnel vision and tries to make big plays, they need to pull him back. on the other hand, he's been through a lot and i think we are gonna see a new ben this year. like i said , i have mixed feelings. i'm not sure this is the right move, but you have to trust that the coaches know what they're doing.hes not riding around town, helmetless, on a motorcycle, so that in itself shows better decision making and maturity.

this is just the natural progression of ben (and any franchise qb)

if cowher were still coach, i think we mightve seen the same thing in another 5 years.

Atlanta Dan
09-06-2007, 09:48 PM
I think Tomlin shoots straight, but these comments from Arians that Ben apparently has developed the best football mind since Bill Walsh and Ben in return throwing out another zinger against that meanie Whiz are becoming laughable.

I assume someone in Arizona is compiling a clipping service for the bulletin board prior to the game in week 4.

Preacher
09-06-2007, 10:18 PM
You guys think that this is a good move? It's good that he has a say so.

Yeah, I think it is a great move.

If a QB is not comfortable with a play, why in the WORLD would you ask him to go out and execute it? If Ben sees something, he should have the ABILITY to go do it. EVEN if we have a so-so year this year, which I seriously doubt, the end result of this will be a QB that will be the engine of the offense, and a very good engine at that.

FrancosArmy09
09-06-2007, 10:25 PM
You can make the argument that Peyton Manning was never REALLY dominant until the Colts let him run the show, or at least have first say in things...not comparing ben to manning,just something to throw out there to ponder.

Preacher
09-06-2007, 10:34 PM
You can make the argument that Peyton Manning was never REALLY dominant until the Colts let him run the show, or at least have first say in things...not comparing ben to manning,just something to throw out there to ponder.

Yep. Again, when a QB is in control, I think it helps tremendously... If the QB is ready. I think Ben is.

jjpro11
09-06-2007, 11:02 PM
i just hope ben and arians know what they are doing. this should definitely give ben's confidence and comfort level a boost though. so we'll see.

fansince'76
09-06-2007, 11:50 PM
You guys think that this is a good move?

Yes. He's going into his 4th season and it's time to take the training wheels off.

Preacher
09-06-2007, 11:55 PM
Yes. He's going into his 4th season and it's time to take the training wheels off.

I absolutely agree.

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
09-07-2007, 12:02 AM
Quoting Seabiscuit's trainer Tom Smith regarding Ben.


".....turn him loose"

Edman
09-07-2007, 12:13 AM
Ben's not some young gun rookie kid anymore. Time to unhitch him. He's now a 4 year vet. He's had good times and bad times. He's got experience. Time for him to mature as a QB. First test for "New" Ben; the Cleveland Clowns.

I really hope New Ben is up to the challenge. Gosh, I'm so nervous for Sunday.

siss
09-07-2007, 12:42 AM
If he sucks this season he will truly have no one to blame but himself!

Preacher
09-07-2007, 12:48 AM
If he sucks this season he will truly have no one to blame but himself!

Nice thing though...

He never did blame anyone else.

Edman
09-07-2007, 01:54 AM
Um...Ben never blamed anyone for 2006.

Galax Steeler
09-07-2007, 04:06 AM
I like the ideal turn him loose and lets see where it takes us.

Atlanta Dan
09-07-2007, 08:19 AM
Nice thing though...

He never did blame anyone else.

Except when he bravely carried on with "broken toes" in the playoff loss to New England:smile:

I agree Ben makes a point to put last season's failures on himself - I always assumed the maturity would come - the question is whether he has the tools to shoulder the addditional responsibilities - Peyton Manning brought his work ethic with him to the league - it reamins to be seen if Ben has developed that commitment.

rog
09-07-2007, 10:15 AM
If all the talk about how much time Ben spent at the steelers facility this offseason and how much film he has been watching this year is true...I say let him loose he has obviously grown as a football player off the field lets see how much he has grown on the field. I got alot of confidence in Ben I think last year was bad but maybe worth it in his development. It is hard to get motivated to work hard when everything seems to come easy as it did his first 2 years.

SteelDogFan
09-07-2007, 03:44 PM
I believe Ben will have a great year, But I don't know if giving him Veto power on weekly game-plan issues is a good idea. Coaches and coordinators watch defenses to find weaknesses and to see things that will work against the other team. I know other teams (with veteran QB's) may do this. But it just seams that its a bit much for a third year QB to take on.

I know Ben is a smart QB, very smart, I'm not saying he'll be manning but I do see him completely running the offense in the future. But! he's only been in the league three years. Changing the game-plan seems to be something to be left up to the coaches for now.

Jman
09-07-2007, 03:55 PM
I think there is a combined effort going on here.

Preacher
09-07-2007, 03:57 PM
I believe Ben will have a great year, But I don't know if giving him Veto power on weekly game-plan issues is a good idea. Coaches and coordinators watch defenses to find weaknesses and to see things that will work against the other team. I know other teams (with veteran QB's) may do this. But it just seams that its a bit much for a third year QB to take on.

I know Ben is a smart QB, very smart, I'm not saying he'll be manning but I do see him completely running the offense in the future. But! he's only been in the league three years. Changing the game-plan seems to be something to be left up to the coaches for now.

Actually, Ben is a fourth year QB, Now, I don't point that out to be a jerk, but to keep in mind that he has now seen virtually every defensive set in the NFL. He knows which ones he plays better against and which ones he is less comfortable with. FUrthermore, I can only imagine that he has started to be able to pick up on things during the game. He needs to have the ability to become the Field-general that all dominate, Multi-SB teams have. If we ever want to win 3 more SB's, or 4 within a timespan that will give us a second dynasty, we HAVE to let Ben develop that ability NOW. He only has another 5 to 8 years in the league, 12 at the most. It is his fourth year. Open it up and give him control.