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Mosca
09-09-2007, 06:46 PM
I watched the game with my Dad, and we discussed it at length afterwards.

The defense... it was Steelers defense. Swarming. How about those corners? At least two of the sacks were coverage sacks. Smartest play I saw all day? Polamalu blitzing, then pulling up short and jumping when he saw the play going over and behind him. It caused a high pass that went incomplete. A small moment in a game of big plays, but man. Heady move, Troy. Very Jack Ham-like.

The offense, it looked different, a little bit, but not that much. I think they spread it out a bit more than I'm used to seeing.

But overall, our assessment is, the Steelers are a physically stronger team, and they seem faster, quicker, as well. And they played smarter overall. They were more focused and more controlled. The attitude seemed more like the playoff stretch of '05 than it did for the first game of last year.

The offense looked good, sure, but there is still some work to do. I think that is to be expected; offense relies on timing and teamwork, and they'll get better as the season moves forward. Overall, I think they were impressive.

So, that's my call. It's not that the schemes on offense and defense look all that different; maybe they are, I can't tell. But the players themselves look more like THE STEELERS than they did last year. These guys are ready to play!


Tom

Atlanta Dan
09-09-2007, 07:16 PM
I liked one of the initial series where Frye could not complete the pass because Townsend lined up on the line of scrimmage and jumped the route at the Browns 28 or 29 to break up the 7-8 yard pass - you know the Browns thought that pass would be there based on our playing 10 yards off the receiver the last several years

tony hipchest
09-09-2007, 07:20 PM
i didnt see the game mosca, only heard it on the radio. the steelers said they were gonna have ike taylor follow b. edwards and man him up while they bookended k. winslow. is this how it played out? the statline would show clark and smith had better games. was troy used more in coverage? or was he up at the line causing deception?

Mosca
09-09-2007, 07:37 PM
i didnt see the game mosca, only heard it on the radio. the steelers said they were gonna have ike taylor follow b. edwards and man him up while they bookended k. winslow. is this how it played out? the statline would show clark and smith had better games. was troy used more in coverage? or was he up at the line causing deception?

Sometimes it's the way the game is televised that leads you to conclusions. For a DB, a great game is when they never call your name (unless it's an interception). At least that's how I read it.

Taylor's name went uncalled until the end; exactly what you'd expect when a guy does a shut-down. Winslow got open a few times and had some nice plays, but he had some drops, and at least twice he had some drops because he heard footsteps. The guy is good. I wouldn't have him on my team, but he's good. Most of his catches were medium passes that split seams.

The Browns TD was a blitz, the back got around end and was wide open. It was a play where they finally called what we were doing AND executed. Once a game, that's gonna happen.

Troy was Troy. I saw him more in the backfield on blitzes than I did down field. A couple times I saw him line up at the line, then sprint back into deep coverage while the signals were being called.

Sepulveda is what we hoped for; his kicks don't hit and die, they hit and roll sideways... which is the kind of roll that sooner or later is going to bounce off some returner's leg as he tries to get out of the way. And he did it on 4 or 5 kicks in a row, it's not random. The kid is good, really good.

The field was wet, the ball was wet. The offense looked sloppy at times, but offense relies on timing. It'll get better. If we look sloppy and hit for 30+ points, I'll take that. Even against the Browns; they showed up on every play.

And the running game did its Bettis interpretation, closing out the game with 18 straight running plays. I say we don't need the Bus to make that happen, no sir.

These guys are going to punish some people.


Tom

Preacher
09-09-2007, 08:10 PM
I liked one of the initial series where Frye could not complete the pass because Townsend lined up on the line of scrimmage and jumped the route at the Browns 28 or 29 to break up the 7-8 yard pass - you know the Browns thought that pass would be there based on our playing 10 yards off the receiver the last several years


Yeah, I notice a number of times that the short slant was taken away by scheming. It seems that our CB's are coming underneath, and allowing the Safeties to pick up the route on top. That may be way Clark is starting over Smith...

Great job Steelers!!

revefsreleets
09-09-2007, 08:11 PM
Just a couple other things that need addressing. Punting game was outstanding. 5 punts inside the 20? Jeff Reed was almost perfect, and I've never seen multiple touchbacks in one game. The kick coverage was great, too.

The Duke
09-09-2007, 08:25 PM
Just a couple other things that need addressing. Punting game was outstanding. 5 punts inside the 20? Jeff Reed was almost perfect, and I've never seen multiple touchbacks in one game. The kick coverage was great, too.

And I think one of Jeff's kicks got to the end zone and Cribbs ran it anyway, so that one could have been a touchback too.

I think the best thing of the game for me was seeing Ike intercepting anderson. He's ready to establish himself as the #1 CB in the team and a potential shutdown corner.

alittlejazzbird
09-09-2007, 08:26 PM
Just a couple other things that need addressing. Punting game was outstanding. 5 punts inside the 20?

That's our Dan - the Steelers were kind enough to provide us with a monster talent AND some gorgeous eye candy, all in one yummy package! :wink02:

Seriously though, how awesome was pinning them inside the 20 FIVE times?????

alittlejazzbird
09-09-2007, 08:33 PM
I think the best thing of the game for me was seeing Ike intercepting anderson. He's ready to establish himself as the #1 CB in the team and a potential shutdown corner.

Here's a perfect example of what Mike Tomlin is going to mean to this team. Ike was relegated to the bench last year and all but written off. Tomlin comes in and says basically, I like what I see of you on film and I think you're better than you played last season, now show me that you deserve the job. Ike was inspired to work hard, Tomlin's sang Ike's praises to the media, and today's performance is the beginning of the payoff.

Im not implying that Ike will be perfect, or even that he won't struggle at times, but when you understand how to build up your talented players like Tomlin does, wonderful things are going to happen.

Preacher
09-09-2007, 08:47 PM
Just a couple other things that need addressing. Punting game was outstanding. 5 punts inside the 20? Jeff Reed was almost perfect, and I've never seen multiple touchbacks in one game. The kick coverage was great, too.


Punting was amazing... He KILLED the ball at the five... How in the world do you get an oblong ball to bounce STRAIGHT UP and down...and then die?

GBMelBlount
09-09-2007, 08:57 PM
I think the best thing of the game for me was seeing Ike intercepting anderson. He's ready to establish himself as the #1 CB in the team and a potential shutdown corner.

Agree with both you & jazz. He is physically a perfect cornerback. With Tomlin's good coaching & renewed focus, I agree he could be "shutdown."

Mosca
09-09-2007, 09:00 PM
Punting was amazing... He KILLED the ball at the five... How in the world do you get an oblong ball to bounce STRAIGHT UP and down...and then die?

I like the one where the ball hits and rolls sideways; he did that at least twice. Sooner or later that kick is going to bounce off some returner's leg as he tries to get out of the way. Usually, at the 5 yard line that's what the guy is trying to do, after all.

Not only was the win impressive, but it also gave the team something to build on and get better at.


Tom

tony hipchest
09-09-2007, 09:01 PM
Punting was amazing... He KILLED the ball at the five... How in the world do you get an oblong ball to bounce STRAIGHT UP and down...and then die? its the mythical "aussie roll".

just wait til he perfects the newly learned technique.

Preacher
09-09-2007, 09:02 PM
I like the one where the ball hits and rolls sideways; he did that at least twice. Sooner or later that kick is going to bounce off some returner's leg as he tries to get out of the way. Usually, at the 5 yard line that's what the guy is trying to do, after all.

Not only was the win impressive, but it also gave the team something to build on and get better at.


Tom

yeah...

that is what impresses me. That score, and they STILL have some building to do?

:jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop:

Edman
09-09-2007, 10:24 PM
-Sepulveda was a great as advertised today.
-Jeff Reed was impressive pinning Cribbs deep.
-For the first time in ever, I didn't have to hold my breath on punt/kick returns. I already love Rossum.
-The D was just awesome. Farrior was all over the field. 6 sacks, forced fumble, 2 INT's. Once again the vaunted Jamal Lewis did squat against the Steelers D.

Some issues....

-Willie... you gotta hold on the ball...
-Recievers gotta catch the ball.
-Ben's 8 straight incompletions in the 2nd Quarter, Though most were drops by recievers.


But overall I was encouraged by the Steelers performance today. They played with more intensity than last year, they played with more heart, and almost everything they lacked last year. As soon as Ben and the offense gets it's stuff into gear, this is gonna be a scary team.

Preacher
09-09-2007, 10:40 PM
-Sepulveda was a great as advertised today.
-Jeff Reed was impressive pinning Cribbs deep.
-For the first time in ever, I didn't have to hold my breath on punt/kick returns. I already love Rossum.
-The D was just awesome. Farrior was all over the field. 6 sacks, forced fumble, 2 INT's. Once again the vaunted Jamal Lewis did squat against the Steelers D.

Some issues....

-Willie... you gotta hold on the ball...
-Recievers gotta catch the ball.
-Ben's 8 straight incompletions in the 2nd Quarter, Though most were drops by recievers.


But overall I was encouraged by the Steelers performance today. They played with more intensity than last year, they played with more heart, and almost everything they lacked last year. As soon as Ben and the offense gets it's stuff into gear, this is gonna be a scary team.

funny how the trade for Rossum now seems a good trade! No fumbles AT ALL!! Like everyone is saying... the drops and fumble kill me. We gotta clean them up. But hey.. its a first game.

MACH1
09-10-2007, 12:24 AM
I feel a whole lot more comfortable with Rossum back there on the returns.

Preacher
09-10-2007, 12:26 AM
I feel a whole lot more comfortable with Rossum back there on the returns.

Abso-cotton-picken-lutely

steelegg
09-10-2007, 01:30 AM
it is nice to not have to skip heartbeats on every punt waiting for the ball to inevitably hit the ground, its been a while

Haiku_Dirtt
09-10-2007, 01:40 AM
Agree with both you & jazz. He is physically a perfect cornerback. With Tomlin's good coaching & renewed focus, I agree he could be "shutdown."

There is still a gulf between "could be" and "will be" and what agree with is that Tomlin is a better sorcerer to gravitate (or guide or whatever) Ike towards the latter.

Preacher
09-10-2007, 01:50 AM
There is still a gulf between "could be" and "will be" and what agree with is that Tomlin is a better sorcerer to gravitate (or guide or whatever) Ike towards the latter.


yeah. I sure hope so. Ike did look ok today.. But I think a big part of that is scheming....

Haiku_Dirtt
09-10-2007, 03:11 AM
Who isn't happy with the win. A win is a win. Right? But...

What seemed highly unusual is that we had a 17 point lead in the first quarter and the Browns had more rushing yards. Uneasy.

Harrison was strong and delivered big numbers but I thought early on Haggans and Farrior (not alone mind you) revealed a quality that I can only describe as HUNGRY. Yes the Vikings "only" played the Falcons but the defense Tomlin left behind allowed only 3 points today. A young Tomlin working with the Godfather LeBeau really is a synergy with atomic potential.

I can't describe how it felt NOT seeing Starks tripping over his feet to allow deep pocket penetration. His days in the NFL are numbered or already over. Willie Colon proved that - at the very least - his growing up in the Bronx means he ain't takin' any s**t - and cnly one false start.:thumbsup: sort of...

If my old thinking of waiting for Santonio Holmes to prove me right by melting down weren't dispelled at the end of last season...Damn this cat has a style that seems truly unique - sly and opportunistic is what pops out. And the love for Hinds Ward, I'm out of words.

THE UGLY. The numbers looked far better than the performance. Cleveland is possibly the worst team in the NFL thanks to KC's loss to the Texans. Will someone please make a case to show that our offensive line is not straddling the line in between "boot strapped" and "demise?" Seeing Alan Faneca sprinting 30 yards downfield late in the 3rd quarter to pummel anyone stirred up those football emotions. Why are he and Marvel even playing with this kind of lead? ("Well self errr stupid just look at the roster") Steve Hutchinson set a bar that the Rooney's will never chase. The backups are shadows.

Before I'm terminated for being too critical allow praise for Davenport and Miller for YAC. Najeh took six hits on one run before he went down. Sepulveda has a nose for inside the five yard line. The Carolina pre-season game left two in the endzone. Tonight the coverage caught up to his targeting once. More to come. And someone knew something about the new dude from the ATL returning kicks. Don't be a hero just be smart.

Preacher
09-10-2007, 03:29 AM
H-D

That is a VERY smart post.

Only a couple things I can disagree with.

WHy did willie get over a hundred yards today? Because he had a couple big yard pickups. WHy? Because as they kept spreading out the offense... holes started opening up for Willie!

We have to get over the idea of a lot of running yards early in a game. I think that kind of game is gone from Pittsburgh.

Galax Steeler
09-10-2007, 04:45 AM
I liked the fact our tight ends are back in the game both had touchdowns.

lamberts-lost-tooth
09-10-2007, 05:14 AM
Excellent breakdown Mosca..just some facts that I found telling:

5 out of our 12 completed passes were to Tight Ends...

Tomlin may have "tweeked" our CB's into a team strength... Gay and McFadden both had fumble recoveries, Ike and Deshea both had Interceptions.

Our O-Line held up and allowed only one sack.

Both of our OLB's had sacks..which is what a 3-4 Defense is predicated on. (anyone else think Harrison looked like he was set to dispel any notion that he cant replace Joey?)

In the immortal words of Dennis Green...Rossum "is exactly what we though he was"..solid, consistent, and reliable. (Based on last years fiasco...I will take that over flashy anyday)

7/17 third down attempts (41.2%) though respectable..will need worked on...that may not be good enough against stronger teams

We may not have had any WR with over 60 yards recieving..BUT Burress & Randle El had 306 yards between them. Do we get any type of residual yardage from past players?

Preacher
09-11-2007, 01:20 AM
Excellent breakdown Mosca..just some facts that I found telling:

5 out of our 12 completed passes were to Tight Ends...

Tomlin may have "tweeked" our CB's into a team strength... Gay and McFadden both had fumble recoveries, Ike and Deshea both had Interceptions.

Our O-Line held up and allowed only one sack.

Both of our OLB's had sacks..which is what a 3-4 Defense is predicated on. (anyone else think Harrison looked like he was set to dispel any notion that he cant replace Joey?)

In the immortal words of Dennis Green...Rossum "is exactly what we though he was"..solid, consistent, and reliable. (Based on last years fiasco...I will take that over flashy anyday)

7/17 third down attempts (41.2%) though respectable..will need worked on...that may not be good enough against stronger teams

We may not have had any WR with over 60 yards recieving..BUT Burress & Randle El had 306 yards between them. Do we get any type of residual yardage from past players?


:sofunny:

Notice Spaeth, that TE pick that very few people liked, got a TD! Good for him.

Haiku_Dirtt
09-11-2007, 02:49 AM
We may not have had any WR with over 60 yards recieving..BUT Burress & Randle El had 306 yards between them. Do we get any type of residual yardage from past players?

This is exactly why I was unhappy with the Holmes pick at the time. Bootstrapping the running game can only help increase Pepto Bismol sales. Pointing to the Saints seventh round pick last year is ridiculous because that falls under the "lighting strikes" category. But great scouting should translate into better value at that position.

I can't take the positive stats seriously because it's week one against the 32nd team in the NFL. I'm just not sold on our o-line unless we remain injury-free. Completely injury free. GULP.

If we don't load up on wins on the front half of the schedule...

Haiku_Dirtt
09-11-2007, 03:00 AM
[QUOTE=lamberts-lost-tooth;291283]anyone else think Harrison looked like he was set to dispel any notion that he cant replace Joey?)QUOTE]

And the timing of his contract extension was pure genius. KC closed the deal that maxs out around $8 million for 4 years. You could feed a small third world country for a year with the difference between keeping Joey vs. giving Harrison the chance that he should get. Win Win.