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12+88=6
09-18-2007, 12:30 AM
just about every time they throw to a back it's a screen play. you can almost sense when they are gonna do it. watching the bills game i said 3 times "it's gonna be a screen pass". i was right twice. and if i can sense it what about the other teams def? that one to parker almost backfired.

i wish they would throw more to willie but in the same way the chargers throw to l.t. or the eagles throw to westbrook. no linebacker can keep up with him. there's gotta be a way to get him 1 on 1 with a lb.

and i think they should run davenport inside the 5 yard line. willie is too small to plow into 1 or 2 guys and move them backwards. davenport runs through guys between the 20's so he should be able to do the same in close.

great start to the year so far, couldn't be more happy.

Preacher
09-18-2007, 12:35 AM
willie is too small to plow into 1 or 2 guys and move them backwards. .

Completely disagree. Willie was hitting guys up in the middle and moving a number of people. It was really nice to see. Sure, Davenport is hitting 4 and 5 people, but Willie is doing a good job moving people.

And no, screens are great. It makes defenses slow down the pass rush.

tony hipchest
09-18-2007, 12:40 AM
the steelers won 26-3 against the bills. and 34-7 the week before.

so i guess the answer is "no".

12+88=6
09-18-2007, 12:40 AM
Completely disagree. Willie was hitting guys up in the middle and moving a number of people. It was really nice to see. Sure, Davenport is hitting 4 and 5 people, but Willie is doing a good job moving people.

And no, screens are great. It makes defenses slow down the pass rush.

i just can't get the vision of willie fumbling vs the eagles in preseason at the goaline, or the way he got stoned at the goaline vs the bills on sunday out of my head.

steeler dude
09-18-2007, 01:03 AM
if it works why stop it ? they had good gains by the screen plays they ran !:tt02::cheers::jammin:

12+88=6
09-18-2007, 01:05 AM
if it works why stop it ? they had good gains by the screen plays they ran !:tt02::cheers::jammin:

i'd just like to see some new plays. whatever it takes to get the ball to willie more, especially in open space.

Steel Pit
09-18-2007, 02:57 AM
I like the screen plays. The Steelers seemed to go completely away from the screen play the past 3 or 4 years so I'm glad to see that it's back. The Steelers used the screen play quite a bit in the mid-90's with Barry Foster and it was very successful.

Galax Steeler
09-18-2007, 04:48 AM
Completely disagree. Willie was hitting guys up in the middle and moving a number of people. It was really nice to see. Sure, Davenport is hitting 4 and 5 people, but Willie is doing a good job moving people.

And no, screens are great. It makes defenses slow down the pass rush.

I have to agree with the preacher on this one screens are great to keep the deffense on there toes and I think willie is hitting harder this year.

RJC
09-18-2007, 07:59 AM
Screen plays by design are aimed at nuetralizing overly aggressive pash rushers, which Buffaloe's DEs Schoebel & Kelsay are. Have to gove credit where it's due, their LBs were having none of it....

ShutDown24
09-18-2007, 08:21 AM
My problem with the screens is this. Not that they run too many, just that they run them with Davenport. Every time I see Davenport get about 10 yards on a screen I almost cry. Why? Because Parker could have gone all the way. I don't understand why they are using Davenport on screens, when history shows Willie has been more successful at them. I am happy with the play calls this year, just not always the personnel to execute.

revefsreleets
09-18-2007, 09:17 AM
The screen pass is, in many ways, just a glorified rushing play. You move the running back out into space and hope you trap some of the defenders around the los. The Steelers also run a lot of screens to the WR which is also the same principle. One of the guys I was watching the game with commented that he hates when we run the bubble screen to Ward. But the thing is, these plays are almost always successful, sometimes remarkably successful.

Mosca
09-18-2007, 09:54 AM
i'd just like to see some new plays. whatever it takes to get the ball to willie more, especially in open space.


Almost the entire playbook is new. But there are only so many holes to go through, directions to run, places to throw, pass patterns that make sense. A play might look the same, but the blocking is completely different. And how many different ways are there to go off tackle, over the guard, or around the end?

And how many plays get run in a game? How many different formations and plays can you use that make sense for the score and the time and the down and distance?

Each tight end caught at least one pass Sunday, and 9 different receivers were utilized. Parker got his hundred yards both games; so he's definitely getting the ball plenty. We are using lots of different formations this year; we've spread, we've boxed, we even threw a touchdown pass out of the 3 tight end formation on Sunday.

People forget Bettis got stacked up at the goal line, three straight, his share of times. And Franco. And Rocky, and Bam, and Foster.

Would a 10 yard screen to Davenport have been a 25 yard screen to Parker? Not necessarily. Davenport's presence doesn't signal the possibility of a screen as much as Parker's, which increases the probability of success.

No matter what you do, if it's going to be successful it's going to look like football. We concentrate on putting the plays with best possibility for success on the field based on the situation, and we try to create matchups in personnel that maximize that possibility. If it seems routine, it's because it is; there are no magic bullets, no amazing undefendable plays. Sometimes you just line up your guys and they line up their guys and you hit each other and see who wins, because for that situation that's your best shot at success.


Tom

Polly
09-18-2007, 12:41 PM
They always seem to run them on 3rd and long or just hand it to the back. And the reason davenport gets them is because hes our 3rd down back. What I would like to see is more screens to wideouts, the screens to hines ward I loved, if they can get heath miller ward and holmes on one side and set up a screen for holmes, that would be lethal.

The reason you see them, by the way, is because were up such a large margin and they are high-percentage throws, so you can get the first down and if you dont, you can milk the clock, win-win situation. You would probably see them less often if we were down

Kvnfaber
09-18-2007, 12:55 PM
I think the main reason you have people that complain about screens is this:

Many times when the Steelers run a screen play, the down is 3rd and very long.

You see them throw a nice screen play for 10 yards on 3rd and 17 and you think man, why did they run a screen? I personally love the screen play, just for the fact that it gets our RB's out in the open field and able to do some things that they normally can't on a handoff. It is however a letdown when it is run on a 3rd and long play and doesn't get the job done. You have to think of the screen in different lights. It not only makes the defense think about catching FWP out on the edges, but also slows their rush up, and spreads their defense out.

If I have any beef with the Steelers and the Screen play it would be to run it on downs where it may be least expected (short yardage early downs maybe), but I'm not gonna complain when we have started out the year the way we have. I'm sure we'll see some big screen plays to Willie, and Najeh before this year is over. :smile:

CanadianSteel
09-18-2007, 12:59 PM
Agree its nice to see "screens" once again becoming an important part of the Steeler offense. The Bills actually did play them quite well for the most part .

Hopefully we will call one at the excatly right time versus the niner defense on Sunday and see a huge gainer. If Parker can get by the first wave on a screen he could be deadly !

vasteeler
09-18-2007, 04:40 PM
Almost the entire playbook is new. But there are only so many holes to go through, directions to run, places to throw, pass patterns that make sense. A play might look the same, but the blocking is completely different. And how many different ways are there to go off tackle, over the guard, or around the end?

And how many plays get run in a game? How many different formations and plays can you use that make sense for the score and the time and the down and distance?

Each tight end caught at least one pass Sunday, and 9 different receivers were utilized. Parker got his hundred yards both games; so he's definitely getting the ball plenty. We are using lots of different formations this year; we've spread, we've boxed, we even threw a touchdown pass out of the 3 tight end formation on Sunday.

People forget Bettis got stacked up at the goal line, three straight, his share of times. And Franco. And Rocky, and Bam, and Foster.

Would a 10 yard screen to Davenport have been a 25 yard screen to Parker? Not necessarily. Davenport's presence doesn't signal the possibility of a screen as much as Parker's, which increases the probability of success.

No matter what you do, if it's going to be successful it's going to look like football. We concentrate on putting the plays with best possibility for success on the field based on the situation, and we try to create matchups in personnel that maximize that possibility. If it seems routine, it's because it is; there are no magic bullets, no amazing undefendable plays. Sometimes you just line up your guys and they line up their guys and you hit each other and see who wins, because for that situation that's your best shot at success.


Tom

B...E...A utiful

LVSteelersfan
09-18-2007, 04:48 PM
I like the idea of the screen pass but I did not think they were that successful with it for big yardage. It just seems that we are always out of sync on the screen plays. I would love to see them get the ball to Parker in space as he will torch other teams. But it seems like the screens are too easy for the other team to decipher so far.

revefsreleets
09-18-2007, 06:52 PM
Great points all. It's also important to realize that along with the draw out of a spread formation, the screen on 3rd and long is a conservative way to legitimately try to pick up a big chuck of yardage with little risk of turning the ball over. If you notice, these calls are always made when we are on our own side of the field. Since the Steelers are always going to play conservatively and depend on superior defense, it makes sense to stick to this gameplan.

SteelerManiacXLII
09-19-2007, 12:18 AM
2-0! If it aint broke dont fix it.

Here we go Steelers here we go!!!!!!!!!