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thebus36idf
10-01-2007, 11:10 AM
I have said it before, and I woukd say it again. I wonder why we don't give the ball to Nahj. in the goal line situations. And even at the beginning of the game. Wear down the defense, then throw some speed at them. We had success with Willie in the second quater, but by then it was too late. Our defense was pretty solid. In a game this close in the first quater with a lead I believe we shoukd have stuck to the run, and worn them out. I do however think we can learn alot from this game. We have not had a situation in which we had to come from behind to win.
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Lord Stiller
10-01-2007, 11:13 AM
We didn't really abandon the run game at all.

Our whole gameplan is to pass early and often to set up our running game

I agree that Najeh should get the ball more though and to try him inside the 5

ShutDown24
10-01-2007, 11:14 AM
Najeh isn't a huge power runner. That is why. I agree with you we abandoned the run too early, but although Davenport has the size for power running he isn't really good at the tough yarage stuff. We saw that in GB and last year when he was with us. He looks good in the fourth quarter yes but it is when the D is tired and down by 35 - 7... I agree though. We need to run better and more. The thing is though, our running schemes have been bad all year. Parker could have easily went over what he did the first three weeks of the season had the play calling been better.

rog
10-01-2007, 11:17 AM
It isn't up to us to decide if they abandoned the run or not. I believe the coaches put the players in the best possible situation to be sucssesful. It is too easy to sit here on monday and say they should have done this or they should have done that eventhough it can be fun to do. I love talking football and playing the what if game but believe me I'm no football coach and I have confidence in the Steelers coaching staff to put these players in a position to be sucssesfull after that it is up to the guys on the field to execute.

X-Terminator
10-01-2007, 11:18 AM
Say what? :jawdrop:

They kept trying to run against 8 and 9 man fronts all day long and played right into the Cards' hands. Can you name one time where the Steelers used playaction or a screen to counter it? I can't. They relied too much on the run if you asked me.

rog
10-01-2007, 11:21 AM
Najeh isn't a huge power runner. That is why. I agree with you we abandoned the run too early, but although Davenport has the size for power running he isn't really good at the tough yarage stuff. We saw that in GB and last year when he was with us. He looks good in the fourth quarter yes but it is when the D is tired and down by 35 - 7... I agree though. We need to run better and more. The thing is though, our running schemes have been bad all year. Parker could have easily went over what he did the first three weeks of the season had the play calling been better.


I'm not sure I follow you on this one. I thought the first 3 games the running game was pretty good afterall Willie was leading the league after 3 weeks.

vasteeler
10-01-2007, 11:29 AM
i could only keep track of the game on line but to me we should have abandonded the run a lot sooner than we did we couldnt run at all

Eztarget
10-01-2007, 11:47 AM
Well when you have the ball at the 4 yard line first and goal and you run Parker TWICE with the SAME exact play ... that ain't too bright.

Here's a thought ... Parker is supposed to be "FAST" Willie Parker so how about a pitch out to spread the goal line defense with Parker's speed?

To me the punt return was NOT the dagger. It was that first and goal series when they easily should have scored.

BlastFurnace
10-01-2007, 11:56 AM
We never spread the Cardinals defense out. They played a very similar scheme that the Ravens did twice last year and we didn't adjust. You can't run against 9 man fronts. Basically, they dared Ben to beat them and he couldn't do it without Ward in there.

We stuck with the same game plan too long and it cost us. It was at the point that I was wondering if this was a 2006 game plan that they dug up from somewhere.

Edman
10-01-2007, 11:57 AM
Abandon the run? What game were you watching?

The Cards set up 8-9 man fronts all game to stop Willie and dared Ben to beat them. Ben was beatign the Cards, but then Arians got brain farts. No Playaction whatsoever. Pin the loss on the O-Line all you want, but the Cards were determined to not let Willie run. 5 guys vs 8-9 defenders. Of course the Defense is going to win. I don't think you can pin that on the O-Line.

The ghost of Bill Cowher possessed Bruce Arians after the Santonio Touchdown. Run into a brick wall, "Do what we do", "Marty Ball".

BlastFurnace
10-01-2007, 11:58 AM
Well when you have the ball at the 4 yard line first and goal and you run Parker TWICE with the SAME exact play ... that ain't too bright.

Here's a thought ... Parker is supposed to be "FAST" Willie Parker so how about a pitch out to spread the goal line defense with Parker's speed?

To me the punt return was NOT the dagger. It was that first and goal series when they easily should have scored.

Agreed.

I also thought they left some points on the field in the first half. Either way, we knew a loss was eventually going to happen. If they win next week, this game will be forgotten.

I'm more concerned with the injuries we suffered than the loss yesterday.

SteelCurtain
10-01-2007, 12:15 PM
I agree that they didn't do a very good job with the game plan on offense. The Cards were definitely stacking 8 in the box...I felt the running backs weren't picking up the rush in the backfield very well either. The game should have been a lot worse if it wasn't for Ben's athleticism. I will not forget this game, this should have been a game we won. Good teams beat who they are supposed to beat and beat a few that their not.

Stlrs4Life
10-01-2007, 06:17 PM
Either give it to Najeh, or put Kreider in there to block.

Steelerstrength
10-01-2007, 06:44 PM
We need Kreider to block for a Big Back in Goal & short yardage O. Unfortunately we do not have a Big Back.

steelpride12
10-01-2007, 06:46 PM
I think we abandoned it in the first quarter, but at the same time were still getting productivity,but Parker had nothing all day long so hats off to Cards for their D!

jasonpirkle
10-01-2007, 06:50 PM
i think we needed to throw more on first and second down. The cards were stacking the box all game. The successful runs came after succesful passing. If the D is gonna overplay the run, throw until they decide to stop. Instead we ran on first and second and threw on third. At least mix in some playaction until they respect the passing game.