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revefsreleets
10-01-2007, 06:19 PM
Every year it's the same. Every loss it's the same. Usually, when we lose, the team underperforms and doesn't look very good. But, for the love of Christ, do the fans always have to be so farging negative? It's one thing to point out obvious errors and stuff, but some of these threads are ridiculous. Questioning Ben as the QB? Questioning Tomlin as coach? What do you nattering nabobs of negativism really hope to achieve, anyway? Let's face the reality here. The Steelers had a bad game. They may have another one this season. Hell, they may even have 4 or 5 or 6. They may actually play badly and win. It happens, you know?

(I originally posted this in the blast furnace, but it seems like a good time and place to post it again)

Real and true NFL fans know that one game does not make a season, and every team has some bumps in the road. It's that exact reason that Miami's 1972 season will probably never be topped. Here are some other examples of really good teams playing poorly and losing against bad teams.

The 2006 Colts lost to both Tennessee and Houston.
The 2005 Steelers were beaten by an awful Baltimore Ravens team.
The 2004 Patriots lost to a horrible Miami team.
The 2003 Pats were blown out 31-0 in the season opener by an awful Buffalo team
The 2002 Tampa Bay Bucs lost to the Saints. Twice.
The 2001 Patriots lost to a terrible Cincy team.
The 2000 Ravens lost to a bad Redskins and an average Steelers team.

What do all these teams have in common? They all went on to win the Super Bowl that year.

Let's keep the loss in proper perspective.

rog
10-01-2007, 06:32 PM
Every year it's the same. Every loss it's the same. Usually, when we lose, the team underperforms and doesn't look very good. But, for the love of Christ, do the fans always have to be so farging negative? It's one thing to point out obvious errors and stuff, but some of these threads are ridiculous. Questioning Ben as the QB? Questioning Tomlin as coach? What do you nattering nabobs of negativism really hope to achieve, anyway? Let's face the reality here. The Steelers had a bad game. They may have another one this season. Hell, they may even have 4 or 5 or 6. They may actually play badly and win. It happens, you know?

(I originally posted this in the blast furnace, but it seems like a good time and place to post it again)

Real and true NFL fans know that one game does not make a season, and every team has some bumps in the road. It's that exact reason that Miami's 1972 season will probably never be topped. Here are some other examples of really good teams playing poorly and losing against bad teams.

The 2006 Colts lost to both Tennessee and Houston.
The 2005 Steelers were beaten by an awful Baltimore Ravens team.
The 2004 Patriots lost to a horrible Miami team.
The 2003 Pats were blown out 31-0 in the season opener by an awful Buffalo team
The 2002 Tampa Bay Bucs lost to the Saints. Twice.
The 2001 Patriots lost to a terrible Cincy team.
The 2000 Ravens lost to a bad Redskins and an average Steelers team.

What do all these teams have in common? They all went on to win the Super Bowl that year.



That is a great post! I could not agree with you more and I do not understand why fans of a team think they have all the answers if they did why are they not in the league making these tough decisions. I am a huge Steelers fan I love watching and talking about the games but I never boo or trash my team even if they might deserve it. I'm of the mindset to keep things positive and SUPPORT my team when things are going bad.

Preacher
10-01-2007, 06:35 PM
Um...

If you were referring to my thread (Tomlin Outcoached)

You would see that it was a thread started in sarcasm...

slippy
10-01-2007, 06:36 PM
all true, rev.

forums and talk radio do provide a much needed venue for venting after a loss. but isn't it a wonderful world where a mere game commands such love and attention! (sorry, my pendulum swings toward sappy optimism after a boneheaded loss).

revefsreleets
10-01-2007, 06:37 PM
Um...

If you were referring to my thread (Tomlin Outcoached)

You would see that it was a thread started in sarcasm...

Nope. Sarcasm duly noted and appreciated. But I've read a lot of posts, and I've seen just about everything questioned. Tomlin stood out as a "biggie", and I'm also remembering some of LITP's nonsensical ravings as well.

delhess
10-01-2007, 07:02 PM
good work rev, you came strong with a point and you BACKED IT UP. i think you should post more often. i love reading this stuff, not just some tool's opinion, but facts. good work!! bravo!

iloveben7
10-01-2007, 07:09 PM
I agree with your posts. My dad is one big example of a fair-weather fan. He likes them when they are good and he hates them when they are bad. The Steelers are going to lose games this season and yesterday was one of them. Are we going to fire Tomlin? Are we going to bench Ben or Willie? NO. It's one game and they are human beings, so they make mistakes. I also hate how people say the game was Ben's fault or because of the injuries. It was not any of those. The Steelers lost as a team and the Cardinals just outplayed them. I will never say anything bad about the Pittsburgh Steelers because they are the greatest team and I will support them no matter what.
Look out Seattle, cause here we come

NV STEELERS 723
10-01-2007, 07:10 PM
Great post Rev! ...

Preacher
10-01-2007, 07:11 PM
Nope. Sarcasm duly noted and appreciated. But I've read a lot of posts, and I've seen just about everything questioned. Tomlin stood out as a "biggie", and I'm also remembering some of LITP's nonsensical ravings as well.

Well... Some things just have to be assumed...!

Mosca
10-01-2007, 08:24 PM
You have to remember that the forum is open, and we get EVERYONE here. We have a lot of older people, but we have a lot of younger people, too, and sometimes very much younger people. Some are full of the impatience and impetuousness of youth.

It's easy to read a post on the internet and assume that the poster is someone much like yourself. But try this. When you read one of those posts that is instantly negative, assume that the poster is 12.

That really helps me deal with them. I ignore the ones that are flat out whines, I read the ones that try to put some logic behind their thoughts, and I answer the ones that don't have any spelling or grammatical mistakes.

Tom

revefsreleets
10-01-2007, 08:31 PM
You're right, Mosca, but that's also the reason that I waited and read for almost 24 hours before posting this.

Mosca
10-01-2007, 08:38 PM
Yeah, it's nbd, y'know? I have my own movie running. They have theirs. But my attitude? That belongs to me. NOBODY is allowed to to take my positive attitude.


Tom

SteelersMongol
10-01-2007, 08:40 PM
Nice post, rev.

stillers4me
10-01-2007, 08:40 PM
I was relieved (but disappointed of course) to get the first loss. I knew it would happen. Tomlin constantly talks about adversity. Now it's his challenge to turn things around and get them focused on Seattle. Now we see how he handles adversity.

I'm not worried.

Preacher
10-01-2007, 08:50 PM
I was relieved (but disappointed of course) to get the first loss. I knew it would happen. Tomlin constantly talks about adversity. Now it's his challenge to turn things around and get them focused on Seattle. Now we see how he handles adversity.

I'm not worried.

Exactly.

Losing now is creates more adversity then losing your first game when you only need 2 or 3 more to win the division. The way we come back from it will say a lot about who our team and coach is!

Edman
10-01-2007, 09:41 PM
I made a thread earlier about this particular subject. It's one thing to be critical, but this Chicken Little bullcrap when we lose has to stop. The Steelers are not going 16-0 every year. They are going to lose sometime. It sucks, but it's going to happen. They had a bad game, a bad day. We played our D game and we still only lost by a measly 7 points in a trap game on the road. Everyone talks about not getting ahead of ourselves when the Steelers win three early games, how about doing the same when they lose one early game.

steelforce95
10-01-2007, 10:18 PM
:dang: how many of these "fans" have been real fans or just jump on the wagon. I remember watching a guy named Bubby and was he bad, but yet here I am! Just be happy they are 3-1. Did these same people think they would win the Super Bowl! I think we have a really awesome team and coach:cheers: to many more games WIN OR LOSE!

Preacher
10-01-2007, 10:22 PM
:dang: how many of these "fans" have been real fans or just jump on the wagon. I remember watching a guy named Bubby and was he bad, but yet here I am! Just be happy they are 3-1. Did these same people think they would win the Super Bowl! I think we have a really awesome team and coach:cheers: to many more games WIN OR LOSE!

Sadly, I remember watching the game (i was excited I actually got to see the Steelers, remember I grew up on the west coast), and thought, "wow, maybe we finally have a good QB!"

OOPS!

steelforce95
10-01-2007, 10:41 PM
Yeah I rember thinking I finally get to see a game in Three Rivers and we yelled and booed Bubby just as much as we did this guy named Marshall Faulk!!!! The fans we so nasty to him. There fav was Bubby go home your mommy'salling you. My how far we have come!!!!!!!

steelforce95
10-01-2007, 10:41 PM
Sorry that was calling you!!!!!!!!

SteelerFan091472
10-01-2007, 11:18 PM
Yeah I rember thinking I finally get to see a game in Three Rivers and we yelled and booed Bubby just as much as we did this guy named Marshall Faulk!!!! The fans we so nasty to him. There fav was Bubby go home your mommy'salling you. My how far we have come!!!!!!!

Was that the game against Philadelphia in 1994?

steelforce95
10-01-2007, 11:43 PM
Was that the game against Philadelphia in 1994?

sorry I stand corrected. I saw bubby play with steelers 91 and 92 that is when we as fans would boo him. Then I saw O'Donnel in 93 and 94 and saw marshall play against the steelers. I apologize. Point is we have come a long way and I am proud to be a STEELERS fan.:helmet: all the way

WV-SteelerFan
10-02-2007, 03:46 AM
(I originally posted this in the blast furnace, but it seems like a good time and place to post it again)


Real and true NFL fans know that one game does not make a season, and every team has some bumps in the road. It's that exact reason that Miami's 1972 season will probably never be topped. Here are some other examples of really good teams playing poorly and losing against bad teams.



The 2006 Colts lost to both Tennessee and Houston.
The 2005 Steelers were beaten by an awful Baltimore Ravens team.

The 2004 Patriots lost to a horrible Miami team.

The 2003 Pats were blown out 31-0 in the season opener by an awful Buffalo team
The 2002 Tampa Bay Bucs lost to the Saints. Twice.
The 2001 Patriots lost to a terrible Cincy team.
The 2000 Ravens lost to a bad Redskins and an average Steelers team.






What do all these teams have in common? They all went on to win the Super Bowl that year.



Let's keep the loss in proper perspective.





All I can say is hear, hear...:cooldude:


:helmet::tt02:

iloveben7
10-02-2007, 10:16 PM
:dang: how many of these "fans" have been real fans or just jump on the wagon. I remember watching a guy named Bubby and was he bad, but yet here I am! Just be happy they are 3-1. Did these same people think they would win the Super Bowl! I think we have a really awesome team and coach:cheers: to many more games WIN OR LOSE!

Exactly, I bet they are all on the bandwagon. My dad is one of those and he did not believe me that the they were going to win the Superbowl in 05. I supported the Steelers that entire season through all the wins and losses and stuck by my belief that they would become world champions and I was right. My dad is a season ticket holder and chose not to be put in the raffle to get Superbowl tickets because he didn't want to waste his money if they didn't make it there.

HometownGal
10-02-2007, 11:00 PM
Great post revefsreleets (and you, too, Mosca)! :cheers::thumbsup:

Many of these naysayers are those who haven't really experienced the thrill of victory in successive seasons as we over 40's did in the 70's. They clearly didn't take the time to read into the Steelers history and weren't a twinkle in their daddys' eyes yet when the Steelers experienced their lean years in the 80's.

That being said, however, I have no tolerance for fairweather fans and boo birds - especially with the season being only 4 weeks old! There is nothing wrong with amateur critiquing, but some of the posts and threads I've read, particularly post-game on Sunday and earlier this week have me bewildered (and to be quite honest - torqued off).

Though we had a bit of a letdown in Arizona this past Sunday, the 2007 Steelers, imho, are a very exciting team with a vibrant and very capable new HC with a great football mind who doesn't accept mediocricy and are going to be right in the thick of things come early December. Of course I could be wrong and if I am, I'm still going to support the team I've supported all of my life - win, lose or draw. :tt02::tt02::tt02:

P.S. Anyone remember a coach named Charles Henry Noll who had a combined record of 12-30 in his first three seasons? :wink02:

bratsinmybelly
10-03-2007, 01:57 AM
Kudos to all who have the patience and clarity to understand that this is the NFL. This is not college. Teams can lose a few games and the sun still rises in the morning . The thought of anyone going undefeated in this age of parody is simply unrealistic. Who knows, we might even find a few positives out of this loss. Adversity is a great way to find out just how good (or bad) a team really is.
The crazy thing is: We could even *gulp* lose next week and STILL be OK.
We as fans have to keep the faith. The absolute last thing that a young team with a new head coach needs to hear is a bunch of boos and criticism. Let's spend less time wondering why we lost last week, and more time hoping that we win this week. After all, we are the reason for the season (football season , that is). The fans are what it's all about. Teams will always respond better to fans who support them, and they often lay down on fans who don't. With that in mind I say: Go Steelers!

memphissteelergirl
10-03-2007, 08:26 AM
Kudos to all who have the patience and clarity to understand that this is the NFL. This is not college. Teams can lose a few games and the sun still rises in the morning . The thought of anyone going undefeated in this age of parody is simply unrealistic. Who knows, we might even find a few positives out of this loss. Adversity is a great way to find out just how good (or bad) a team really is.
The crazy thing is: We could even *gulp* lose next week and STILL be OK.
We as fans have to keep the faith. The absolute last thing that a young team with a new head coach needs to hear is a bunch of boos and criticism. Let's spend less time wondering why we lost last week, and more time hoping that we win this week. After all, we are the reason for the season (football season , that is). The fans are what it's all about. Teams will always respond better to fans who support them, and they often lay down on fans who don't. With that in mind I say: Go Steelers!


Well said! :thumbsup:

And props to you as well, revefsreleets!!

BurghZ0n3
10-03-2007, 08:33 AM
yeah,...been keeping the faith since O'Donnell was on the saddle, although we didn't make it as the victor against d BOYZ way back when! But heck, losing games is inevitable...even for the best team in the league. Go B&G till the river runs dry....:helmet::banging:

Dragonrider
10-03-2007, 10:43 AM
rev keep posting. I totally agree with you. I am listening to sirius nfl radio as I post this. I like hearing some of the fans talk about various teams and jump on and off of the bandwagons. One thing I can say is that we are passionate and informed for the most part. But you will always get fair weather fans posting the loudest. They tend not to have a clue about what is really going on. Don't take them personal, they are just comedy. MT's postgame interview should tell anyone with brains that we will be fine.

Mosca
10-03-2007, 11:47 AM
You know, even with our bad start last year, every fan I know stayed a fan. Compare that to the Bengals fans jumping ship all over the lower Ohio Valley these days.


Tom

BurghZ0n3
10-03-2007, 01:09 PM
...or d DAWG fans who hugging Johnson when d BUNGOS came to Cleveland, but turned out d DAWG won anyways. What the heck was that??? PATHETIC to say the least...!!! :tt02::tt02::tt02:

SteelerFanInCA
10-03-2007, 01:39 PM
Great post rev. It's a long season and anything can happen. At this point I like our chances the rest of the way. We mess up, we learn, we move on hoping to improve.

Haiku_Dirtt
10-03-2007, 04:10 PM
Every year it's the same. Every loss it's the same. Usually, when we lose, the team underperforms and doesn't look very good. But, for the love of Christ, do the fans always have to be so farging negative? It's one thing to point out obvious errors and stuff, but some of these threads are ridiculous. Questioning Ben as the QB? Questioning Tomlin as coach? What do you nattering nabobs of negativism really hope to achieve, anyway? Let's face the reality here. The Steelers had a bad game. They may have another one this season. Hell, they may even have 4 or 5 or 6. They may actually play badly and win. It happens, you know?

(I originally posted this in the blast furnace, but it seems like a good time and place to post it again)

Real and true NFL fans know that one game does not make a season, and every team has some bumps in the road. It's that exact reason that Miami's 1972 season will probably never be topped. Here are some other examples of really good teams playing poorly and losing against bad teams.

The 2006 Colts lost to both Tennessee and Houston.
The 2005 Steelers were beaten by an awful Baltimore Ravens team.
The 2004 Patriots lost to a horrible Miami team.
The 2003 Pats were blown out 31-0 in the season opener by an awful Buffalo team
The 2002 Tampa Bay Bucs lost to the Saints. Twice.
The 2001 Patriots lost to a terrible Cincy team.
The 2000 Ravens lost to a bad Redskins and an average Steelers team.

What do all these teams have in common? They all went on to win the Super Bowl that year.

Let's keep the loss in proper perspective.

But isn't this what makes sports entertaining?

Or social? Socialism is an important part of our culture. And if I rolled into any number of social establishments in PGH on any given Monday would it be fair to say that the Steelers would be a topic of discussion? People who would normally have little in common have something to discuss in common.

Especially in PGH people invest in the Steelers. Yes I say invest. Steeler season tickets are asset instruments listed in estates and passed on via wills. This isn't news to anyone in this forum.

I have to travel 5 time zones to get to Heinz Field. Praise and disappointment are emotions that I don't mind getting off my chest. So until I can get my Golden, named Rooney, to understand English I'm thankful that Steelers Forum is available.

If you want to talk about meaningless debate then LET'S TALK POLITICS.

aries4972
10-03-2007, 06:21 PM
$MONEY POST$
hank you voice of reason!!