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I-Want-Troy's-Hair
10-09-2007, 12:09 AM
Browns' Steinbach miffed by Vrabel's late rush
Tuesday, October 9, 2007

BEREA, Ohio - The New England Patriots are unbeaten, not unblemished.

At least one of them is dirty to Browns guard Eric Steinbach.

Irritated over what he thought was a cheap shot in the closing seconds of Sunday's 34-17 loss, Steinbach called Patriots linebacker Mike Vrabel "classless" on Monday and hopes the NFL fines one of New England's top players.

Steinbach felt Vrabel purposely dived at the knees of rookie tackle Joe Thomas' legs with 11 seconds remaining on a play that was stopped when Browns quarterback Derek Anderson spiked the ball.

"It was uncalled for," Steinbach said.

The Patriots were leading by 17 when Anderson took the snap and fired the ball into the ground. Most players stopped immediately, but as Thomas backpedalled, Vrabel, who may not have heard the whistle, kept rushing the quarterback and fell at the first-round draft pick's legs, knocking him back and tripping up Anderson.

Steinbach thought Vrabel's move was deliberate.

"To dive for a guy's knees like that?" he said. "And almost take out the quarterback? When the game is already over with?"

Steinbach swiftly responded to Vrabel's charge by shoving him hard with both hands to the ground. Center Hank Fraley pounced on Vrabel and a few of the other Browns linemen went after the former Ohio State star as players on both sides joined the skirmish.

Following the game, several Browns had words with Vrabel.

Vrabel declined to talk with reporters in the Patriots locker room Monday and it was unclear if he was aware of Steinbach's comments.

Patriots wide receiver Donte' Stallworth said he doesn't expect defenders to ease up when they know a quarterback plans to spike the ball.

"You've always been taught since you first started football to play 'til the whistle blows, regardless of the situation," he said. "Vrabel's a smart guy. He knows what he's doing. He's been in this league long enough."

Steinbach feels Vrabel's actions were inappropriate whether the Patriots were ahead by double-digits or trying to stop the Browns from kicking a tying field goal.

"It was too blatant for everyone to see," he said. "I don't know if the refs were kind of lackadaisical because it was the end of the game, but regardless of where it's at in the game, if you're going to allow stuff like that to go on ... I thought we're trying to clean the game up. I wasn't too fond of that."

He's also hoping the league step in and punishes Vrabel, a 10-year veteran.

"I hope so," he said. "You've got to get fined for that. If he's going to keep going on like that. Maybe he doesn't care about a $5,000 fine. But I wouldn't want that reputation."

Vrabel has a bit of a history with the Browns. With the Pittsburgh Steelers in 1999, Vrabel was penalized for a roughing Cleveland quarterback Tim Couch, a 15-yard infraction that set up a game-winning field goal for the Browns and for which he was fined $5,000.

Whether Vrabel's move on Thomas was intentional or not, to Steinbach, it's yet another spot on the Patriots' once-impeccable image, which seems to be getting more tarnished as the months pass.

Following last year's AFC title game, San Diego superstar LaDainian Tomlinson was upset with the Patriots for dancing on the Chargers logo at midfield. Last month, New England coach Bill Belichick was fined $500,000 and the Patriots $250,000 for violating a league rule that prohibits clubs from using a video camera on the sidelines.

Also, Patriots nose tackle Vince Wilfork was fined $12,500 by the league last month for his low, late hit on Bills quarterback J.P. Losman, who sustained a sprained left knee.

Steinbach was asked if Vrabel's hit changed the way he viewed the Patriots.

"That's what kind of got me," he said. "Everyone is trying to emulate the New England Patriots and everyone looks up to them in the NFL like they're the team that does everything right. Well, how are you going to have a player like that go and do that at the end of the game?

"That just doesn't show professionalism. I don't care if the game was won or lost you don't do a move like that. I wasn't too happy."

Browns return specialist Joshua Cribbs was hoping Vrabel's behavior was an accident.

"I really hope that he didn't hear the whistle," he said. "I have no doubt in my mind that he's not that type of player or athlete like that. Seeing him throughout the years, he's shown a lot of sportsmanship and not really a guy who would do something like that, especially when they're up.

"He didn't hear the whistle, I have to stick with that. I hope he didn't."

During his four seasons with Cincinnati, Steinbach, who signed with the Browns as a free agent in March, couldn't recall another such incident in games against the Patriots.

"We played them in Cincinnati three years in a row and didn't see any dirty play, so that was a first," he said. "It was just one guy."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_531656.html

MasterOfPuppets
10-09-2007, 12:51 AM
as my momma used to say " your only as good as the company you keep "....:shake02:

TroysBadDawg
10-09-2007, 02:26 AM
Do you really believe he is going to admit it was a cheap shot? come on now. I can really hear him admit it. "Yes I tried to to hurt him, I wanted to put him down, to heck with the rules, I am playing for keeps." Dream on.

RoethlisBURGHer
10-09-2007, 10:46 AM
The Patriot Way is to cheat the rules, lie about not knowing you were cheating, and stealing signals via videotape.

I love how people try to emulate the Patriots who "do everything the right way"...it's such a crock of crap. I remember when we were making our Super Bowl run, people were saying that the Steelers were following the Patriots model. How the hell were we doing that? We have our own model, one the Patriots copied and then threw out when they decided to cheat isntead of do it the right way.

Screw the Patriots, I hope they lose to the Steelers in the AFC Championship Game and then never win another game again for their entire history. Peices of garbage.

Atlanta Dan
10-09-2007, 11:13 AM
Rabid Pats fan Bill Simmons has an interesting theory that the Pats know they are regarded as the Darth Vaders of the NFL and have decided to revel in the image since they can no longer fight it.

Vrabel's conduct fits with that.

Let's see how the Pats react when Brady goes down.

fansince'76
10-09-2007, 11:18 AM
Let's see how the Pats react when Brady goes down.

They'll scream bloody murder, and rule(s) will be changed over it.

Jman
10-09-2007, 11:21 AM
They'll scream bloody murder, and rule(s) will be changed over it.

:sofunny::sofunny::sofunny:

so true...

onthebus36
10-09-2007, 12:02 PM
I agree. It's frustrating that they are presented as the clean-cut team and they are convicted cheaters and cheap shot artists.

In 2006, SI did a survey of NFL players asking who was the dirtiest player in the NFL. Rodney Harrison was named by 23% of the players surveyed as the dirtiest player in the NFL. He was also voted dirtiest in 2004. Now, here we are in 2007 and the same guy just came back from a suspension for using performance-enhancing drugs. But somehow, he's part of that "model organization."

Here's a link to the 2006 article. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2631666 In fairness, Joey Porter and Hines Ward were also listed as dirty players but with only 8% and 6% of the vote respectively. The list also names consistently hard hitters so you have to take some of this with a grain of salt.

revefsreleets
10-09-2007, 04:41 PM
If Vrabel committed a cheap shot, that doubly sucks. He wasn't like that at OSU, and he wasn't like that when he played in Pittsburgh.

RoethlisBURGHer
10-09-2007, 06:32 PM
Hines Ward is considered a cheap shot artist because he takes pride in blocking.

Joey Porter, though not a cheap shot artist, is thought of one for his shot on Todd Heap. But hey, if your hurt, don't line up.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
10-09-2007, 06:40 PM
I heard about this but I didn't acually see it. Does anyone have a link to the video that they'd be willing to post.

tony hipchest
10-09-2007, 06:45 PM
If Vrabel committed a cheap shot, that doubly sucks. He wasn't like that at OSU, and he wasn't like that when he played in Pittsburgh.there are certain codes that must be upheld in order to remain a patriot. one of those is the willingness to cheat. now i dont know about osu but the steelers dont have those codes in place. :hunch:

off topic, but old man seau sure looks great. almost harrisonesque.

BozMan
10-10-2007, 06:57 PM
Is there any team whose image is more divergent from their real character than the Patriots?

j-dawg
10-10-2007, 10:08 PM
If Vrabel committed a cheap shot, that doubly sucks. He wasn't like that at OSU, and he wasn't like that when he played in Pittsburgh.

i remember when vrabel played for the steelers and got a 15 yard penalty for a cheap shot to tim couch... set up the winning field goal.

tony hipchest
10-10-2007, 10:38 PM
i remember when vrabel played for the steelers and got a 15 yard penalty for a cheap shot to tim couch... set up the winning field goal.

:yep:

that bonehead move probably is the one that had him shipped off to the pacheatriots.

revefsreleets
10-11-2007, 09:27 AM
Cheap shot against Tim Couch? C'mon! That team was so bad you had to almost run away from the offense to avoid hitting the QB from his blindside. And if I recall, that was a late hit, which doesn't count as nearly as dirty in my book. If you have to go back 8 years between shots, that actually works in his favor.

SteelersMongol
10-11-2007, 09:56 AM
Just a little bit of the topic, was LITP upset because of Britney Spears has lost the custody of her kids to Federline? :flap: Cuz the news breakup and his explosion dates were matching.:flap: Boy, the man was really upset about something and started acting weird on our board. :dang:

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
10-11-2007, 09:55 PM
Boy, the man was really upset about something and started acting weird on our board. :dang:

So does that mean he left the boards? Really couldn't see the point of a Bill Belicheat/Patriots butt kissing fan spending so much time in enemy territory. I'm sure there are a gazillion Cheater boards he could spend time on but he picks a Steeler board that type of conduct verges on bi-polar disorder. :toofunny:

Atlanta Dan
10-11-2007, 10:00 PM
So does that mean he left the boards? Really couldn't see the point of a Bill Belicheat/Patriots butt kissing fan spending so much time in enemy territory. I'm sure there are a gazillion Cheater boards he could spend time on but he picks a Steeler board that type of conduct verges on bi-polar disorder. :toofunny:

LITP "left" the boards in about the same manner Saddam Hussein "left" Iraq.

Crushzilla
10-11-2007, 10:06 PM
I'm not shocked to hear this.

I already talked about the Patriots DLines work on Philip Rivers after the Chargers game was well in hand. Then J.P. Losman being taken out, now this.

As I also said before. This isn't going to change until someone rams it right down their throat.

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
10-11-2007, 10:06 PM
LITP "left" the boards in about the same manner Saddam Hussein "left" Iraq.


WOO HOO!!!! Ahhh errrr hmmm Is it okay to be happy about it? I was getting rather sick of hearing how the whole patsie cheating thing was no "big deal" and their not cheap shot artists.

two words - See ya :salute:

Haiku_Dirtt
10-11-2007, 11:22 PM
emulate the Patriots who "do everything the right way"...it's such a crock of crap.

They kept building the dam wall higher and higher and higher to hold in all the crap. But the pressure builds from the inside so that any little crack is like opening the floodgate.

:egg: The polish is off and the luster is getting greasy.

Tankus_Maximus
10-12-2007, 10:07 AM
Cheatin ass Pats.

Atlanta Dan
10-12-2007, 12:52 PM
Wade Phillips apparently agrees:

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips denied Thursday that he made comments attributed to him saying the Patriots' spying scandal earlier this season taints New England's three Super Bowl titles.

As part of the latest episode of HBO's "Inside The NFL," reporter Peter King said "the league, the Patriots, everybody, they just want this Spygate thing to go away, but Wade Phillips this week told me something that I think a lot of coaches around the league and a lot of people around the league are still thinking, and that is, 'Hey, New England was caught cheating, and it is a black mark on their success.' "

King told ESPN's Ed Werder on Friday that he talked to Phillips by phone Tuesday night.

Phillips said he was not aware of King's remarks until a reporter told him.

"No, I didn't say that at all," Phillips told The Dallas Morning News after the Cowboys' Thursday practice. "I think they would have won no matter what. I don't know. I have no idea if it even helped them. But they were a great football team, well-coached. I don't see any way that they wouldn't have won what they did.

"I don't think that at all. I don't know why Peter would say that."

King also told Werder on Friday that he stands by his report.
:sofunny:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3060040

After reading this story Belicheat will probably take out Romo with a cheap shot to the knees himself rather than tell one of his players to do the deed.

j-dawg
10-13-2007, 09:39 AM
looks like the NFL agrees Vrabel is a cheap shot punk a$$...

The NFL has fined New England Patriots linebacker Mike Vrabel $5,000 for an incident late in Sunday's game against the Cleveland Browns


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3061661&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Atlanta Dan
10-13-2007, 10:38 AM
looks like the NFL agrees Vrabel is a cheap shot punk a$$...

The NFL has fined New England Patriots linebacker Mike Vrabel $5,000 for an incident late in Sunday's game against the Cleveland Browns


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3061661&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

Vrabel and the league just have a differing interpretation of the rules - has Vrabel apologized to the Pats organization and their fans (but not the Browns) yet for the league office seeing it a different way from his own view that he was not cheating?

What a hateful team

TroysBadDawg
10-13-2007, 11:25 AM
Like I said earlier, did you actualy think he would admit it?