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10-15-2007, 12:13 AM
Steelers miss Porter ... or do they?
Former Steelers LB Porter is feeling heat in Miami after signing for $32 million and lacking production in the Dolphins' 0-6 start
Monday, October 15, 2007
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

CLEVELAND -- Cleveland Browns tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. had it all wrong. Last week, in the hype that always leads up to a game in which he and Joey Porter are on the same field, he told the Cleveland media, "I think Joey Porter needs a hug. He's so angry."

But Porter wasn't angry, not even after Winslow and the Browns put a 41-31 whipping on his Miami Dolphins yesterday at Cleveland Browns Stadium.

Beaten down, maybe. Embarrassed, for sure. Humbled beyond words.

But not angry.

It's not that Porter didn't have the right. His Dolphins -- man, that still sounds strange, doesn't it -- didn't just lose, they fell to 0-6. He was beaten by Winslow -- the man he referred to last season with a homosexual slur at the cost of a $10,000 fine from the NFL -- on a 33-yard pass play. He didn't have a sack for the sixth consecutive game, 10 in a row if you go back to last season. People in Miami are calling him a $20 million bust. And, to top everything, Fox, on its pregame show yesterday, showed tape of his March casino fight with Cincinnati Bengals lineman Levi Jones, a dust-up that led him to plead no contest to a misdemeanor battery charge and pay a $1,000 fine.

It wasn't a good day for ol' No. 55.

Porter has one other reason to be angry, of course.

He no longer plays for the Steelers.

"They miss me up there," Porter said.

A bunch of the fellows -- James Farrior, Ike Taylor, Deshea Townsend and Anthony Smith among them -- told him so late last week when they visited him at South Beach to start their long bye weekend.

"But they can't be missing me too much," Porter said, quietly. "They're winning."

The Dolphins can't say the same. Their defense -- primarily their run defense -- is the No. 1 reason. They ranked 31st in the NFL against the run before the Browns, playing without injured back Jamal Lewis, gouged them for 140 yards.

"I've never played on a defense this bad," veteran linebacker Zach Thomas said. "If we don't pick it up, we won't win a game all season."

You know who's getting the blame, don't you?

The high-priced free agent who signed a $32 million deal in the offseason, $20 million guaranteed.

"That comes with the territory," Porter said. "If a guy signs for $32 million, you expect him to go out there and put up some $32 million stats ...

"Trust me, I'm trying. I know the reason they brought me here."

Porter clearly doesn't believe he's being used properly by Dolphins defensive coordinator Dom Capers even though he won't come out and say that. He plays strong-side linebacker, lining up over the tight end. It's not like his old Blitzburgh days. He's frequently asked to drop into coverage.

"I'm making the plays I'm supposed to make," Porter said. "I could cry about it, but that wouldn't do me or the team any good. I have to buy into the system. I want to be a team-guy, not a me-guy."

The other side of the story is that Porter hasn't exactly given Capers a lot of reasons to turn him loose. He rushed on 14 of the Browns' 26 pass plays, coming close to quarterback Derek Anderson just once when Anderson ran a play-fake bootleg to his side.

"I should have had that sack," Porter said. "That's a play I make 10 out of 10 times. But I slipped right before I got to him."

The one thing Porter and the Dolphins can agree on is that the team isn't getting its $20 million worth.

"I know things are going to change and get better and we'll get to the point where I can show my best assets," he said. "You just can't have all that money tied up in one player and get no production."

The Steelers are looking smart for not doing a new deal with Porter after deciding he didn't have a lot left at 30 with a game based on speed. That still stings him, but he says he understands the "business side" of football.

"Do I ask, what if? Sure, you always ask what if?" he said. "Pittsburgh was home for me. The players there are my family. I talk to a lot of them once a week. But I didn't have the opportunity to stay. It's not like I said no to a number. I didn't get an offer."

The Dolphins make Porter happy on payday, but that seems to be his only joy these days. What troubles him the most, aside from that 0-6 record, is he is not the same force in the locker room that he was in Pittsburgh. The Steelers loved him, loved his emotion, fed off his energy. They rallied around him, for instance, when he called the Indianapolis Colts "soft" before their playoff game after the 2005 season. But that hasn't happened with his new team. He guaranteed a win against the Oakland Raiders a couple of weeks ago, then was embarrassed when the Dolphins gave up 299 rushing yards in a 35-17 loss.

"I know the guys are looking at me and thinking, 'We need to see more,'" Porter said. "I understand that. You can't be the guy doing all the talking and then not produce. I know [my locker-room presence] doesn't carry the same weight. I don't like that."

Porter was largely subdued during the game yesterday. Browns fans hung the predictable signs -- "Hugs for 0-5 thugs" was the best -- and booed on the few occasions when his name was called. They had the last laugh at his expense. So did Winslow.

"There's nothing I can take away from him today," Porter said. "He had a good game and made some plays. He just beat me vertically [on the long pass]. No way I can sugarcoat that. I have to take that one on the chin."

Winslow saved his best shot for after the game.

"I didn't even know [Porter] was out there. Was he out there? Was he even out there?" he asked.

Now that will make Porter angry.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07288/825526-87.stm

The Duke
10-15-2007, 12:27 AM
sad thing is, joey always had good games against the browns, this game was just the same he's had all this season

"But they can't be missing me too much," Porter said, quietly. "They're winning."
kinda makes me feel bad for him, maybe he'll come back someday to the burgh to play his last seasons as a backup on a winning team

"I didn't even know [Porter] was out there. Was he out there? Was he even out there?" he asked.

lol, winslow has a good sense of humor

rbryan
10-15-2007, 12:32 AM
I think most of us saw the writing on the wall. Remember the play last year when Winslow threw JP aside like a rag doll?? I feel bad for Joey, but not as bad as if he still played here. lol

klick81
10-15-2007, 12:49 AM
Ouch. Wish things weren't this bad for him.

Preacher
10-15-2007, 12:59 AM
Well...

Chalk another one up for the Rooney's.

Who knows... maybe the reason we don't trade, is because teams have learned that we only get rid of players when they no longer are at the top of their game.

fansince'76
10-15-2007, 10:08 AM
Ouch. Wish things weren't this bad for him.

Same here - I feel bad for the guy.

alittlejazzbird
10-15-2007, 10:22 AM
I take no joy in Joey's misfortunes. I know the money's great, and I'm sure he enjoys the spoils, but Joey was always such a prideful player. To be on a team as bad as the Dolphins must be extremely humbling for a guy like him.

Kudos to the Rooneys, though, who you have to admit really do have a knack for knowing when to let a player go.

I was very saddened to read the article, and still wish only good things for Joey (unless it's vs. the Steelers or we're vying for the same playoff spot).

SteelersMongol
10-15-2007, 10:40 AM
F*CK Winslow. I love Joye. In fact, I DO MISS HIM. I found that out after that NFL's last DVD on the Steelers. Reason his team is losing is that it wasn't the Steelers, it's the Dolphins. He's with different crowd now. They're not backing him as the way WE DID.

Indy_Steelers
10-15-2007, 05:48 PM
I do not. Man, it looks like Tomlin and Rooney knew what they were doing when they let him go. I am glad he is gone.

83-Steelers-43
10-15-2007, 05:53 PM
Do I feel sorry for Porter?

To a degree. I'm also keeping in mind that I'm feeling sorry for a guy who's making $32 million dollars. I tend to keep that in perspective when I'm watching a father bust his a$$ day in and day out in order to put food on the table for his family.

I'm sure Joey will survive.

Atlanta Dan
10-15-2007, 08:12 PM
Same here - I feel bad for the guy.

Why - are his paychecks bouncing?

Joey was a great Steeler and worthy of being regarded fondly for those memories. But Porter's contract griping did not help the 2006 Steelers dynamic and Joey's threat to go off throughout 2007 if he did not get a contract deal to his liking pretty much sealed the deal that he would not be back.

Joey wanted a big deal contract more than anything else once he got a ring - be careful what you wish for or you might get it, just not in the package you expected the gift to be wrapped.

revefsreleets
10-15-2007, 08:36 PM
Good point. For three hours during 16 Sundays a year Joey feels bad (and I bet his bad days are a lot better than mine), and the other 8712 hours a year, he lives a life that most of us couldn't even imagine.

Farg Joey Porter and his multi-million dollar cash grab. If he really wanted to win, he could have taken a pay cut and stayed with the Steelers.

Petesburgh66
10-15-2007, 08:42 PM
Pay cut? I think the Steelers front office realized last year his days were done. So no way they would have even offered a pay cut to him in order to stick around.

revefsreleets
10-15-2007, 08:50 PM
Pay cut? I think the Steelers front office realized last year his days were done. So no way they would have even offered a pay cut to him in order to stick around.

Another good point. There are plenty of teams that were in a better position to win then the Dolphins. I'm sure that most or all of them would have been happy to sign Joey for, oh, I don't know, say maybe 8 million?

MasterOfPuppets
10-15-2007, 09:01 PM
"Do I ask, what if? Sure, you always ask what if?" he said. "Pittsburgh was home for me. The players there are my family. I talk to a lot of them once a week. But I didn't have the opportunity to stay. It's not like I said no to a number. I didn't get an offer."i seem to remember porter saying " thier offer was a non offer" but now he's saying he was never made an offer? :scratchchin:

revefsreleets
10-15-2007, 09:10 PM
Oh, the Steelers made an offer. They said stay for what you are worth and win. He said......well, we all know what he said.

delhess
10-15-2007, 09:14 PM
remember how great the show seinfeld was? how every actor on that show was hillarious! do you remember what happened after the show ended ?? how all the (supporting) actors started their own sitcoms? it just wasn't ever gonna be as funny as the seinfeld show was it?

that's what joey porter is, and always will be. a supporting part in a great show that is now over (for him anyway)

when i hear joey guaranteeing wins for the dauphins, it sounds like michael richards swearing at the hecklers in some dark, unknown, smoke-filled comedy club.

you kinda feel bad for him, but not that much!

Hawkeye
10-15-2007, 10:09 PM
Joey has one thing the Winslow can only dream about...

a superbowl ring, it put's it all in perspective.

Counselor
10-16-2007, 09:50 AM
i seem to remember porter saying " thier offer was a non offer" but now he's saying he was never made an offer? :scratchchin:

No, I think it was Faneca that said "the offer" was a "non offer". I don't think Porter was given a shot at coming back.

Lord Stiller
10-16-2007, 10:08 AM
Why - are his paychecks bouncing?

Joey was a great Steeler and worthy of being regarded fondly for those memories. But Porter's contract griping did not help the 2006 Steelers dynamic and Joey's threat to go off throughout 2007 if he did not get a contract deal to his liking pretty much sealed the deal that he would not be back.

Joey wanted a big deal contract more than anything else once he got a ring - be careful what you wish for or you might get it, just not in the package you expected the gift to be wrapped.

I liked Porter when he was here but am also glad he is gone. His play has greatly diminished.

Porter never griped about his contract which I give him credit for unlike Hines Ward and Faneca. Porter played out his contract and moved on like a man. He could have held out like Ward or publicly whined like Faneca but he didn't. I don't know what you are talking about?????????

klick81
10-16-2007, 10:45 AM
Do I feel sorry for Porter?

To a degree. I'm also keeping in mind that I'm feeling sorry for a guy who's making $32 million dollars. I tend to keep that in perspective when I'm watching a father bust his a$$ day in and day out in order to put food on the table for his family.

I'm sure Joey will survive.

Well said.

Atlanta Dan
10-16-2007, 11:19 AM
Porter never griped about his contract which I give him credit for unlike Hines Ward and Faneca. Porter played out his contract and moved on like a man. He could have held out like Ward or publicly whined like Faneca but he didn't. I don't know what you are talking about?????????

I am talking about this - there is a lot more but this is just a sample

May 24, 2006 KDKA story

It might be more than knee surgery that’s keeping Steelers linebacker Joey Porter from practicing with the team.

Our news partners at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette report that sources say Porter may be unhappy with his contract.

Tuesday, Porter worked out at the Steelers’ practice facility on the South Side, but did not practice with the team.

He hasn’t attended any of the voluntary spring drills since mini-camp.

August 18, 2006 Post-Gazette story

Steelers linebacker Joey Porter told the NFL Network last night that he almost did not show up at camp this summer, and the main reason he did was because of his close relationship with coach Bill Cowher.

"He's one of the main reasons why I'm back here at camp," Porter said. "Contract-wise I wasn't too happy with the situation that we [had] going into the season. But I talked to coach Cowher, and after me and him had our words ... he said he's going to be here, so he had a big impact on me being here in camp this year."

Co-host Marshall Faulk then asked a follow-up question about holding out of camp and whether Porter felt like he was underpaid.

"Definitely," Porter said. "I definitely feel that I have outplayed the contract that I am under. What I bring to the team ... It's not just me out there playing football. Me being the leader I am and the response I get from my team ... The whole city of Pittsburgh knows what I bring. Coach Cowher knows what I bring.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06230/714492-66.stm

November 15, 2006 Tribune Review interview

Trib: There's one more year on your contract after this season. Are you still seeking an extension on this current deal?

Porter: I'm just trying to concentrate on playing football. I try to not even worry about my contract situation because I'm here. I've always been happy.

I've never had a day with me playing football for the Steelers, being unhappy. At that point in time, I just wanted some assurance of where I was going to be. My kids go to school here. They're getting older.

My philosophy is, I didn't see the difference. You know I'm going to be here. As far as my play, my level of play is not going to drop. I feel like I'm in my prime of playing football. Lock me in so I don't have to think, ''What am I going to do next year? Am I going to be here, or am I not going to be here?'' I don't want to have that stress on my mind. If we're all in this thing together, if we're a team, it's tough to tell a person we want to make a rule for this person, but everybody else has to go by this. That was the big thing. It wasn't that "Joey, we don't want to give you the deal."

It's the whole point why are you going to make one person better than the rest of the team? You're creating separation on the team and don't even know it.

You can't say that the quarterback is the only person that can do a deal with two years left; everybody else has to wait.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_479373.html

January 9, 2007 Post-Gazette columm

The Porter issue will be the sexiest of the offseason. He wasn't happy with his contract this season and considered holding out before being talked out of it by then-coach Bill Cowher. "I definitely feel that I have outplayed the contract that I am under," Porter told the NFL Network at the time. "What I bring to the team ... it's not just me out there playing football. Me being the leader I am and the response I get from my team."

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07009/752284-87.stm

ShutDown24
10-16-2007, 12:36 PM
I still remember when it was so obvious we were going to release him and people were mad... It was the right decision then and is now... I wish the Dolphins would cut him in the off-season, no one would want him and we could sign Joey as a back up for cheap lol... That's really out there though, but with the Dolphins who knows.

Joey Misses the Steelers - The Steelers don't miss him. (Play wise not emotionally)