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Atlanta Dan
10-19-2007, 12:06 AM
Apparently having tired of behaving like a rabid dog with the rest of the league, the Pats now are turning on their own fans that scalp tickets:

The New England Patriots have won a bid to get the names of all the fans who bought or sold ? or tried to buy or sell ? tickets to home games through online ticket reseller StubHub Inc., a move one technology group sees as an invasion of privacy.

In a lawsuit against San Francisco-based StubHub, a subsidiary of eBay Inc., claiming that the Web site encourages fans to break state law and violate team policies, the Patriots said they could seek to revoke season tickets of people who use StubHub....

The Center for Democracy and Technology, a Washington D.C.-based advocacy group, said the court order to turn over the names infringes on the privacy rights of Patriots fans.

"The Patriots, just at the beginning of the season, were filming opposing teams and accused of surveillance and given a slap from the National Football League about that. Now they're turning the cameras on their fans, so clearly there is a lack of understanding about what privacy is," said Ari Schwartz, deputy director of the center.:sofunny:

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/stories/2007/10/18/Patriots_Scalping_1018.html

tony hipchest
10-19-2007, 12:34 AM
go figure. they just dont want 40% of their stadium filled with yellow towels on dec. 9.

leave it to communism kraft to say you cant sell a ticket for a profit, once you buy it. :rolleyes:

83-Steelers-43
10-19-2007, 12:49 AM
And in other Patriot news, the team plans to hand out dead kittens to the first five thousand fans attending the Redskins vs Patriots matchup on October 28. Way to go New England!!! :thumbsup:

Edman
10-19-2007, 03:54 AM
Classy.

Model franchise my ass. The Pats will do whatever it takes to win. Even if it includes cheating and breaking the rules.

Jman
10-19-2007, 09:23 AM
Classy.

:sofunny:

If you didn't say it, I would have.

Counselor
10-19-2007, 09:56 AM
In a lawsuit against San Francisco-based StubHub, a subsidiary of eBay Inc., claiming that the Web site encourages fans to break state law and violate team policies, the Patriots said they could seek to revoke season tickets of people who use StubHub....

They're not suing the fans, they're suing stubhub---a vehicle that facilitates fans ability to "break the law". This is an interesting question and one that might have ramifications across the league and sports/entertainment in general. If the Pats succeed, I can see a lot of other sporting teams not far behind. As much as I hate the Pats, and appreciate a "free market" economy---they do have a point.

As it says in the article, once the Pats have the names they don't need to sue the fans, they can just revoke the season tickets.

X-Terminator
10-19-2007, 10:11 AM
There are also a lot of teams who have partnered with StubHub - the Pirates and MLB in general do, as a matter of fact. What this could lead to down the road is the NFL perhaps doing the same thing, provided that ticket holders do not resell them way above face value. I think that's the situation with MLB, but I'm not 100% sure.

TroysBadDawg
10-19-2007, 12:17 PM
II am sorry but if I buy something, I feel if I want to turn around and sell it, that is my choice to do so, it is mine to do as I please with. I paid for the PSL and the ticket, so I should have the authority over both. That is like fans going into Cleveland stadium (paid for by taxes not learner or the Browns) but being told they can not enter if they are wearing a shirt that says "Bengal’s Suck or Steelers Suck" That is freedom of speech, freedom of expression. But it is being trampled. Sure I have one that says worse about the Steelers but since I have been here I never wear it (go figure.) Something must be wearing off on me about yinz. LOL

They now want to stop people from wanting to resell tickets, they have purchased? It has to stop somewhere. What were to happen if the fans nation wide were to say enough already! NFL you want to play that game fine, we will play also, and we aren't going to buy your tickets or merchandise, see how long the NFL and teams survive.
But I know it will never happen, because there are always those that say, I can't afford the season tickets anyway, so why should I bother, or I am just buying a shirt, hat or something else that is licensed.

RoethlisBURGHer
10-19-2007, 12:37 PM
Only the f--king Patriots would pull a dick move like this.

Once I buy a ticket to a concert, sporting event, or anything else I own that ticket. Whatever orginization I bought it from be it the NFL, MLB, NHL, NASCAR, or whoever.

Now most people when they buy a ticket to something plan on attending. However stuff comes up that keeps it from happening such as the death of someone you know, someone you know gets married that day, or work sometimes gets in the way.

Now I know whenever I buy a ticket to an NFL or MLB game, they are non-refundable. So the only way for me to at least get my money back is to sell the tickets to someone else. Now if someone wants to pay more than face value for them, that is not my fault.

If the NFL truly wants this to stop, then maybe they should make the tickets they sell refundable.

KYSteelersfan
10-19-2007, 12:46 PM
If the NFL truly wants this to stop, then maybe they should make the tickets they sell refundable.

Excellent point. And 100% agree.

Atlanta Dan
10-19-2007, 01:32 PM
It is all about the Benjamins - the Pats apparently have their designated resale service (TeamExchange) that any reseller needs to go through. So they sued StubHub and ticketholders who would not play Kraft's game by Kraft's rules.

Just before Thanksgiving, the New England Patriots sued online ticket reseller StubHub.com, a former season ticket holder and former wait list member and other season ticket holders for reselling their tickets online

The Complaint alleges that StubHub and the sellers interfere with the Patriots' advantageous relations with its fan base, misappropriate the Patriots' name and violate Massachusetts law.

http://sports-law.blogspot.com/2006/12/patriots-sue-stubhub.html

The Stelers also have a designated resale service but I do not think the Rooneys are seeking to get the names and revoke the ticket licenses of anyone who goes through StubHub (and Steelers tickets certainly are on there).

With the Internet scalping works a lot more efficiently and the teams want their cut - some work with StubHub and other ticket brokers to split the take, as stated in this article on the case:

In most other states, fans are allowed to resell tickets for any price and professional sports teams have jumped into the business to earn money by facilitating the resales.

The Phoenix Suns basketball team and the San Francisco Giants baseball team are two teams that operate marketplaces where season ticket holders can resell tickets at any price, with the teams taking a percentage of each sale. Major League Baseball this summer signed a deal with StubHub making the San Francisco company the league's official marketplace for ticket resales.

http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/10/19/patriots_get_stubhub_users_names/?page=1

Not surprisingly, the Kraft/Belicheat mindset of "what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable" results in a different approach.

BeuffordLTD
10-19-2007, 03:06 PM
StubHub filed a countersuit against the Pats basically saying the Pats are breaking MA law.

Ticketmaster's ticket exchange charges 10% of a ticket's face value as a "transaction fee." Furthermore, the only people that can purchase tickets via the ticket exchange are those that are already season ticket holders or those that put $100 down to be on a waiting list.

Those "fees" are definitely more than the $2 markup allowed by MA law.

The thing about the court ruling that most Pats fans don't under stand is that the names of anyone trying to buy, sell, or bid on Pats tickets via StubHub between November 2002 and this year was turned over to the Pats. If a name comes up that is a current season ticket holder or on a waiting, their tickets could be revoked and also be banned from holding tickets ever again.

fansince'76
10-19-2007, 03:08 PM
The thing about the court ruling that most Pats fans don't under stand is that the names of anyone trying to buy, sell, or bid on Pats tickets via StubHub between November 2002 and this year was turned over to the Pats. If a name comes up that is a current season ticket holder or on a waiting, their tickets could be revoked and also be banned from holding tickets ever again.

And my heart bleeds for those frontrunning, red, white and blue Kool-Aid sipping, bandwagon asshats. Can't you tell? :violin:

revefsreleets
10-19-2007, 05:40 PM
This is a really interesting story, because there are no good guys.

Evil franchise sues company that encourages gouging fans of evil franchise (and since they support evil, they are evil themselves) by other fans of evil franchise. I'd like to sue them all into bankruptcy, then resurrect the debtors prison and throw them all in it.

Steeler in Carolina
10-19-2007, 08:44 PM
It boils down to the fact that they want the extra money. They bleed the fans with all they can, they sell PSL's, they build as many luxury boxes as possible, and they charge outrageous prices for food and drinks. Yet, if someone wants to make a profit on the ticket, they sue over it.

Indy_Steelers
10-19-2007, 09:42 PM
That confirms the fact that Kraft is a complete jerk.

TroysBadDawg
10-20-2007, 08:15 AM
It makes the dislike for Kraft, the Pats, BelliCheat and the entire kit and cabootle even more now and thier mis-informed fans.

Kraft and crew has to pay the spies somehow don't they?

RoethlisBURGHer
10-20-2007, 02:28 PM
And my heart bleeds for those frontrunning, red, white and blue Kool-Aid sipping, bandwagon asshats. Can't you tell? :violin:

:violin: This is the worlds smallest violin playing those jerkoffs a sad song.