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moedap
10-22-2007, 10:20 AM
1. Our receivers arent running their routes with conviction which is attributing to Big Ben holding the ball for so long. There were 3 occasions where they showed our recievers running double move routes and the Denver CB's never bit because the fake by the reciever was half hearted. Ben needs to hit his checkdowns a lot quicker.

2. The playcalling seems to come without rhyme or reason. Like they are saying okay lets try this now. I wish they would try more slants and outs rather than looking to go 10 to 15 yards a pass.

3. Sean Mahan has problems snapping to Ben in the shotgun formation.

4. The offense only seems to show a desire to score when behind when on the road.

MasterOfPuppets
10-22-2007, 10:30 AM
there's one glaring stat , that seriously needs addressed.....70 %.... that was denvers 3rd down conversion percentage. 7 outta 10 !!! and these weren't 3rd and one...most were 3rd and 8 +.....obvious passing downs. you got 2 options. bring an all out blitz, or suffocate the recievers with db's. it seems to me,givin denvers injury riddled line the blitz should have been effective.

HometownGal
10-22-2007, 10:32 AM
it seems to me,givin denvers injury riddled line the blitz should have been effective.

What blitz? Other than late in the 3rd Q and occasionally in the 4th, I saw it, but it was virtually MIA last night.

MasterOfPuppets
10-22-2007, 10:38 AM
What blitz? Other than late in the 3rd Q and occasionally in the 4th, I saw it, but it was virtually MIA last night.
yup ,i noticed that. i just wanna know where all these innovated blitzes and schemes are, that we read about in the 100 articles during preseason.

X-Terminator
10-22-2007, 11:35 AM
1. Our receivers arent running their routes with conviction which is attributing to Big Ben holding the ball for so long. There were 3 occasions where they showed our recievers running double move routes and the Denver CB's never bit because the fake by the reciever was half hearted. Ben needs to hit his checkdowns a lot quicker.

2. The playcalling seems to come without rhyme or reason. Like they are saying okay lets try this now. I wish they would try more slants and outs rather than looking to go 10 to 15 yards a pass.

3. Sean Mahan has problems snapping to Ben in the shotgun formation.

4. The offense only seems to show a desire to score when behind when on the road.

I agree with most of your points, especially the O running more slants. One of the very few slants they attempted last night was to Cedric Wilson on their final TD drive that got them a first down on 2nd or 3rd and long. Santonio Holmes with his speed would be very effective in slant patterns - he'd have a chance to take one to the house if he got enough separation. I'd also like to see more 3-step drops from Ben, so he can get rid of the ball quicker since the OL is so porous. Making more use of the no-huddle shotgun formation in other situations than the 2:00 offense or when we're behind wouldn't hurt either. Ben obviously runs it very well - why not use it more often?

SteelerFanInCA
10-22-2007, 11:59 AM
The D definitely had an off night. I figure any time the Offense puts up 28 points we should be able to win that game.

Hopefully Tomlin will make the proper adjustments and the fix the problems this week.

DACEB
10-22-2007, 12:09 PM
yup ,i noticed that. i just wanna know where all these innovated blitzes and schemes are, that we read about in the 100 articles during preseason.

That's what I was thinking. I kept waiting for the sacks and they never came. Is it possible we're saving them for division games?!?:banging:

Rotorhead
10-22-2007, 12:12 PM
I agree with MasterOfPuppets, the third down def we had was atrocious. That and the fact that after the first half FWP was averaging 11 ypc . . . . and we didnt run it very often. I am not sure why we didnt blitz, maybe it was cause Denver whooped us with that short passing game! That is a glaring weakness we need to address or other teams will watch that film and we will be in trouble. Fortunately, that game is not of major concern, our next 2 definately are!

DACEB
10-22-2007, 12:16 PM
Too many negative plays in the running game and passing game. I refuse to believe our O-line is that bad, these guys need to be put in position to succeed.

I don't think that the team is prepared well enough for what to expect week to week, team to team. There appears to be a problem recognizing what the defense is doing and reacting with a protection audible or play audible.

Atlanta Dan
10-22-2007, 12:23 PM
yup ,i noticed that. i just wanna know where all these innovated blitzes and schemes are, that we read about in the 100 articles during preseason.

On the bright side, we will not be seeing the return of that nonsensical "best Steelers defense ever" thread.

While watching the game I was talking with someone who agreed we may see Tomlin's will being asserted with the D becoming more Cover 2 (which was apparently played a great deal in the Seattle game) and less zone blitz.

Not to be underestimated was the loss of Aaron Smith early - if Smith is out next week the Steelers are going to need to score in the 30s to win at Cincy.

As for the long term, the Steelers still are probable to win the division and highly unlikely to finish ahead of New England or Indy, so the greatest effect of last night probably is to confirm that if the Steelers are going to make any noise in the playoffs it will be on the road after the first weekend.

Virginia Steeler
10-22-2007, 12:24 PM
4-2 --It seems to me like in the 2 losses the team didn't show up until the second half, and TURNOVERS!!!!

AZ - Ben throws an INT in the endzone

Denver - Ben fumbles (1/2 ben's fault, 1/2 o-line's fault) and it's run back for a TD.
Possible 14 point swing, Denver goes up 21-7 instead of Pittsburgh con'ting the drive tying the game 14-14 or making it 14-10.

I'm not as po'd as I thought I would be....you're not going to win every game and Baltimore's loss means they're still in first. However, I will be mad if they lay an egg in Cincy. This next game is now must win in my opinion.

Atlanta Dan
10-22-2007, 12:45 PM
Before I got my hopes up in September, my preseason guess had the Steelers 4-1 at the bye and finishing up 10-6 (with road losses to Denver and Cincy).

That may be about right - this team has definite problems on the road the past 2 seasons

moedap
10-22-2007, 02:16 PM
That may be about right - this team has definite problems on the road the past 2 seasons

I bet the home team is sending call girls to the hotel. Tomlin needs to ensure everyone is in bed the night before.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
10-22-2007, 05:50 PM
I really want to know what is up with the screen plays. They are completely unseccessful yet Arians insists on running them time and time again. I don't know how many times we tried a screen and Denver had the thing read from the start.

stillers4me
10-22-2007, 05:51 PM
I don't know how many times we tried a screen and Denver had the thing read from the start.

Videocameras??????

Preacher
10-22-2007, 06:07 PM
Videocameras??????

:sofunny::sofunny:

My guess is that we are telecasting our plays somehow. I would be interested in seeing the tapes to find out how.

MasterOfPuppets
10-22-2007, 06:23 PM
anyone else wonder where davenport was? 2 carries 6 yds...0 rec

The Duke
10-22-2007, 06:33 PM
anyone else wonder where davenport was? 2 carries 6 yds...0 rec

just like willie, if they would have used him more he would have had a better game

ChronoCross
10-22-2007, 08:25 PM
Before I got my hopes up in September, my preseason guess had the Steelers 4-1 at the bye and finishing up 10-6 (with road losses to Denver and Cincy).

That may be about right - this team has definite problems on the road the past 2 seasons

Why would you go road loss vers Cincy when the last two seasons we won at there house and they won at our house.. It could be the same this year if we split..


Far as the Denver game can you say, Run Ben Run. Ben runs for his life every game. Ya great offensive line.
Were playing the 32 run defense in the NFL and what do we do come out passing. Pound that rock.
Defense first half, were was the pressure.
Defense last drive, were was the pressure and anyone who plays prevent should be thrown off the mountain.
Why wait till later in the game to get dump offs to willie are screens. Willie is dangerous in open field. Willie has 8 catches for 43 yards. Ya that number should be higher. Ben should use his check down more.
Starting in Cincy we will start to make are push for the playoffs. So now we will see what tomlin is made of.

And remember peeps, when was the last time we went 3-0 to start a season. What do we normally do in the first 6 games of the season in the last 20 years. Some of us old time fans know we take bumps in the first 6 games. We have not started off 4-0 since the 70s, and last time we started off 3-0 was 92. So the world is not fallen over a couple losses. We have to play are best ball down the stretch.
Ben did what he had to do the last part of the game without a mistake. That is the most important. It was another game we let slip by.

MasterOfPuppets
10-22-2007, 08:32 PM
just like willie, if they would have used him more he would have had a better game
you do realize that willie did have 21 carries? 11 of which was for 1 yd or less. 51 of his 93 yds were on 2 runs of 27 and 24 yds.

Atlanta Dan
10-22-2007, 08:50 PM
Why would you go road loss vers Cincy when the last two seasons we won at there house and they won at our house.. It could be the same this year if we split..
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I figured they would go 4-2 in the division by splitting with the Ravens and Cincy while sweeping the.Browns. Since a team is less likely to win on the road (this year's team certainly is) I assumed the division losses would be road losses.

FWIW my other predicted losses were Pats and Jags.

Galax Steeler
10-23-2007, 04:13 AM
This game against the bengals could be a trap game just like denver they are hungry for a win also.

steelpride12
10-23-2007, 06:03 AM
This game against the bengals could be a trap game just like denver they are hungry for a win also.

I actually feel really good about both Cincy games this year i feel we have a real edge with the run game and also pass game against the defense, and also without Chris Henry and Rudi being out there high octane offense is containable!