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SteelDogFan
10-26-2007, 08:23 PM
Rushing Stats 2005 (with fullback)

Through week 7, week 4 bye >>>>>2005 competition: Tennessee, Houston, New England, San Diego and Jacksonville.

Attmps avg yards td?s

113 4.8 539 3



Rushing Stats 2007 (without fullback)

Through week 7, week 6 bye >>>>>2007 competition: Cleveland, Buffalo, San Francisco, Arizona, Seattle and Denver.

Attmps avg yards td?s

142 4.2 600 1

It took Willie only 113 carries to reach 539 yards in 2005. In contrary in took him 142 carries (approx. 29 more carries) just to reach 600 yardsin 2007. During the year 2006 he had 5 td?s by week 7 with 481 yards in 126 carries.

Also look at the teams the Steelers played in each season. If they played the same teams this year that they played in 2005 I believe the rushing yards would be even lower.

Willie may be getting more carries but 4.8 to 4.2 yards is a significant drop. When Ben throws more than 30 times the Steelers are horrible. But he only throws over 30 when the team is behind and that?s why it looks like the amount of passes cause the loss. When it?s a lack of production in the running game not having Ben throw too much. I hope Tomlin goes back to Dan Krieder or the Steelers may be in trouble when they go up against better defenses like the Pats. They will destroy a ground attack with no fullback.

I think 2006 was an wasted year because cower was leaving.

Galax Steeler
10-27-2007, 07:36 AM
I would like to see krieder back in on more plays it seemed like willie was alot better back and had better holes to hit.

delhess
10-27-2007, 07:57 AM
funny thing, i was just thinking yesterday that i should look up the stats and start the same thread. it's not overwelming, but i wish kreider was back.

HometownGal
10-27-2007, 09:33 AM
I would like to see krieder back in on more plays it seemed like willie was alot better back and had better holes to hit.

I couldn't agree with you more. I agree with Tomlin on just about every change he's made, but using Carey Davis over one of the top FBs in the league just doesn't make sense to me. :dang:

Michael Keller
10-27-2007, 09:51 AM
All week long I have been critical of our fans who have been critical of the Steeler's play selection and offensive critcisms. However I DO AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT GETTING KRIEDER BACK INTO THE BACKFIELD. This is painfully obvious to me. Our offensive line needs all the help it can get. Run blacking and plus protecting Ben. What many fans will not come to terms with is that Ben is not getting the time to throw. Good point.





It took Willie only 113 carries to reach 539 yards in 2005. In contrary in took him 142 carries (approx. 29 more carries) just to reach 600 yardsin 2007. During the year 2006 he had 5 td?s by week 7 with 481 yards in 126 carries.

Also look at the teams the Steelers played in each season. If they played the same teams this year that they played in 2005 I believe the rushing yards would be even lower.

Willie may be getting more carries but 4.8 to 4.2 yards is a significant drop. When Ben throws more than 30 times the Steelers are horrible. But he only throws over 30 when the team is behind and that?s why it looks like the amount of passes cause the loss. When it?s a lack of production in the running game not having Ben throw too much. I hope Tomlin goes back to Dan Krieder or the Steelers may be in trouble when they go up against better defenses like the Pats. They will destroy a ground attack with no fullback.

I think 2006 was an wasted year because cower was leaving.[/QUOTE]

paw-n-maul-u
10-27-2007, 11:59 AM
This is stupid.

I'm not even going to look it up, because i distinctly remember willie having like 200+ yrds, almost in back to back weeks vs. Tenn. and Houston.

Then laid three stinkers vs. NE, SD, J-ville.

How can you call willies only full year as a lone starter a "wasted year" ... if anything, its the only thing you should be comparing. And I bet the only reason you didn't do 2006, was probably because you didnt get the stats you want.

OneForTheToe
10-27-2007, 02:44 PM
Agreed with most .... I really have little problem with the multiple TE formations. I think it has made us much better in the redzone and less predictable overall. My issue is that when we use a fullback it should be Krieder and not Davis.

SteelDogFan
10-27-2007, 04:24 PM
One more item that makes me believe having Krieder in the backfield at times would be a plus. During play-action plays Ben fakes a hand-off to Willie then Wiliie flares out for a pass. As soon as a d-linemen gets past the o-line thats it. But with Dan in the game, who is the best blocking back on the steelers Ben has a extra blocker to stop the blitz or what-have-you.

The play action game is also suffering because when your in a semi-run or semi-pass formation and your ground game is not producing in a game the play-action is less effective. The way the offense is now teams are starting to play the pass and then the run when thats usually the other way around with the Steelers.

I think Arians is doing a good job this year and I do think the offense is improving. I may be an old school Steelers fan who does not see going into more passing formations on first downs as a plus. If thats the case the so-be-it. But I still believe that putting a Dan back in the game would be a plus.

The last time the Steelers tried to go to more of a passing offense It did not work. The only reason the passing game went so well with Tommy Maddox in the first year is because no teams were prepared for the Steelers to pass so much. But the following year it crashed because teams were preparing for them to pass first and the Steelers were built for running game first to set up the pass.

Maybe they are trying to go to a Colts or Pats game plan where you pass to set up the run. I dont know but I still think Tomlin is in his learning year and he will use what works the best.

Go Steelers whip the Bunjgles

Stlrs4Life
10-27-2007, 04:51 PM
Not only are we missing Kreider, we are missing an OL.

delhess
10-30-2007, 01:56 PM
well, tomlin must have read this thread, cause they started kreider on sunday (althought he got injured early) it sounds like he is recovering well, do you think he'll get started against baltimore?

Lord Stiller
10-30-2007, 02:03 PM
do you think he'll get started against baltimore?

I doubt it. We need to come out throwing anyways. Ravens are #1 in the NFL giving up 2.9 yards per carry.

I definitely hope Kreider can play though. After we get a lead we will definitely need him to get any kind of effective running game going on this stout defense

steelpride12
10-30-2007, 02:11 PM
Its funny because for everything that is changed there is always a reason for it.

Kreider job lost to Carey Davis-No Reason!

GeneralRobinson
10-30-2007, 02:26 PM
Its funny because for everything that is changed there is always a reason for it.

Kreider job lost to Carey Davis-No Reason!

Maybe this quote from Coach Tomlin's 9/11/07 press conference will shed some light on the fullback position:

Specifically on Carey, he did exactly what we anticipated him doing. He?s a very athletic guy from a fullback standpoint. He can get hats on people in space. He?s a great perimeter lead blocker. He showed up big time for us in the special teams game. He emerged in that area before he emerged as a runner and as a fullback specifically. He made a big play for us in the kicking game. What we do offensively in terms of who starts, I think, at times that can be overblown. It depends on how we want to attack people. We can start in two tight ends; we can start in three wides; we can start out with Carey or we can start out with Dan (Kreider). Dan is still a great isolation, short-yardage blocker. When we had some time consuming drives in the second half, it was because Dan was playing fullback. We just want to be multiple. We have what we believe to be a lot of weapons. We want to use them all. Of course we can?t use them all at the same time. Last week?s game plan dictated that Carey got the start. Maybe next week?s game plan dictates that (Matt) Spaeth gets the start, or maybe Dan gets the start. We?re not worried about who starts. Everybody has got to be ready to contribute and that?s our mentality in regards to those men.

http://news.steelers.com/MediaContent/2007/09/11/13/Coach_Tomlin_9-11-07_81325.pdf

SteelDogFan
10-30-2007, 03:50 PM
I was thinking the same thing about Tomlin starting Dan on Sunday. He may not have read this thread but you can tell when he sees something that might help the offense or defense nothing is set in stone. He will make the change.

Also I agree we will probably pass more against the Ravens but must establish the run to set up play action.

delhess
10-30-2007, 09:31 PM
i was glad to see dan get a start anyway. hopefully more are in store. boy do i hate to see him go. i always look for him in that low crouch in the backfield.

what do you guys think the odds are that he gets another year?