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Edman
10-28-2007, 08:08 PM
At least, that's the vibe I get whenever I hear people talk about this team's win today. Such negativity. Or maybe it's seeing the Pats dominate teams causing an inferiority/insecurity complex among Steeler fans. I thought the O-Line played decently today. The Steelers D tried a more conventional approach: They bent but didn't break. Against a potent O like Cincy, that works wonders. Cincy put up 13 points today. Compared to last week, that's an improvement. Get off the D.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68#s=68&f=1897&t=1307855

RoethlisBURGHer
10-28-2007, 08:15 PM
Some people want us blowing teams out 52-3. That's what the Patriots and Colts are doing. The Patriots and Colts are the two teams everyone thinks are gonna play for the AFC Championship. Therefore we suck because we are not the Patriots or Colts.

X-Terminator
10-28-2007, 08:23 PM
What else would you expect? We ARE talking about Steelers fans, after all. Some of them are never happy unless they're bitching about something, and can't accept that there might be another team(s) out there who is better than the Steelers.

Here's the bottom line, and I hope the team is taking this to heart - don't worry about what everyone else is doing, and only control what YOU can control. Just take care of business week in and week out, and let the chips fall where they may.

NV STEELERS 723
10-28-2007, 08:28 PM
Don't worry about what other people think, especially some dorks from another forum...

It's a "W" ... Besides Tomlin has more class than to run the score up like the Pats do...their game was well in hand at 24-0....

Atlanta Dan
10-28-2007, 08:32 PM
This team is a very good team in a season featuring one great team and one potentially legendary team.

Merrill Hoge had a good observation on ESPN this evening - the Steelers can approach elite level if Ben raises the level of his game, which Hoge says involves Ben not making the dumb turnover.

If Ben does not throw the horrible INT the Steelers go up 24-6 and today's game is over in the third quarter. That was 2 plays after Ben ran out of bounds on 1st down rather than force something - unfortunately Ben still tries to make the play when nothing is there if he thinks he needs to force something - that leads to great plays like the completion in the first half when he was falling down with a Bengal hanging on to his leg, but 3 out of the last 4 games have seen 2006 Ben making return appearances with forced INTs.

This team goes as far as Ben can take it - at his current level of play that is a first round playoff win and a not particularly close loss in indy or New England after that. Which candidly is about what should be expected with the talent level of this team, as it was for the Oilers and Bengals when they played against the Steelers in the 70s.

No shame in that, unlike what the Bengals and Bears are pulling this season.

Haiku_Dirtt
10-28-2007, 08:39 PM
At least, that's the vibe I get whenever I hear people talk about this team's win today. Such negativity.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=68#s=68&f=1897&t=1307855

Anybody who expects us to just make the playoffs and work at rebuliding a Top Tier offensive line this offseason should be seriously stoked with 5-2.

Willie Parker didn't have one rush for a loss. (But of course we were playing in Cincinatti.) Ben threw fewer than 30 times. Heath Miller is solid 20 yards downfield. Santonio Holmes is showing a sly reliability. Hines is playing like Hines. And the OC is speeding up the tempo. And it's a rebuilding year.

James Harrison battle axed Kenny Watson and stole his dream of putting 100 on our D. And then add insult to injury Levi Jones clubbing him with his knee. Classic play.

I hope we don't get caught looking beyond the Ravens for the game against the Browns.:smile:

Black@Gold Forever32
10-28-2007, 08:42 PM
I don't like looking ahead and really there is no need to do so....There is a ton of football left to crown anybody.....Yes the Steelers are far from perfect and even I lost my cool after the Broncos loss......I wasn't bad after the Cards loss...I expected a loss in that game due to the Whisenhunt factor but the Broncos loss really ate at me and I even requested that I be banned at my other Steelers site...which they did and I don't care....lol

Haiku_Dirtt
10-28-2007, 08:48 PM
If Ben does not throw the horrible INT .

And no matter how great a game he plays his history of making unthinkable mistakes at unmistakeable moments is on the record.

But since I'm hearing that we can only finish third in the AFC this season Ben has about 10 months fix history.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-28-2007, 08:55 PM
Really all this talk about Ben and the one INT he threw today has to stop...I don't think Weeb Ewbank back in the day got on Johnny Unitas case every time he threw a pick...lol He threw one INT...let it go......Now if he would have thrown multi INTs and lost the game then by all means discuss on how Ben needs to improve his decision making....lol

He is light years ahead of last year so I'm fine with Ben so far this year.....

I ask what would the Steelers record be without Ben? Yes Batch is fine backup but I don't think he can make some of the plays Ben makes week in and week out....

Preacher
10-28-2007, 08:56 PM
Funny thing...

All it takes is one bad play for either the Colts OR the Pats to lose thier single biggest player...

Is that what I want? No. Just saying that NO ONE knows what will happen.

jjpro11
10-28-2007, 09:00 PM
ben was on fire today.. hes' the last player anyone needs to be criticizing.

Steel Warrior
10-28-2007, 09:00 PM
I'm good, thought we'd be 6-1 after the soft part of the schedule. Thought we'd lose this game and beat the cards and broncos. We're fine. It's a long season.
:smoker:

Atlanta Dan
10-28-2007, 09:08 PM
Really all this talk about Ben and the one INT he threw today has to stop...I don't think Weeb Ewbank back in the day got on Johnny Unitas case every time he threw a pick...lol He threw one INT...let it go......Now if he would have thrown multi INTs and lost the game then by all means discuss on how Ben needs to improve his decision making....lol

He is light years ahead of last year so I'm fine with Ben so far this year.....

I ask what would the Steelers record be without Ben? Yes Batch is fine backup but I don't think he can make some of the plays Ben makes week in and week out....

I am not busting on Ben and arguing Batch should play LOL - but I agree with Hoge that for Ben to make the leap to the next level the throw it up for grabs and see what happens INT needs to quit happening on a weekly basis.

In terms of strength and mobility IMO Ben already is above Manning and Brady but lags in terms of decisionmaking - I was pleased to hear today Ben said he is studying how Manning makes the long handoff and is trying to use the same mechanics when it is a handoff to Willie P. and when it is play action - those little things are what it takes to become better.

Black@Gold Forever32
10-28-2007, 09:16 PM
I am not busting on Ben and arguing Batch should play LOL - but I agree with Hoge that for Ben to make the leap to the next level the throw it up for grabs and see what happens INT needs to quit happening on a weekly basis.

In terms of strength and mobility IMO Ben already is above Manning and Brady but lags in terms of decisionmaking - I was pleased to hear today Ben said he is studying how Manning makes the long handoff and is trying to use the same mechanics when it is a handoff to Willie P. and when it is play action - those little things are what it takes to become better.

I know Dan you're not blasting Ben at all....Trust me he drives nuts as well with those terrible INTs....But its just something I think we're going to have to get used to....Thats part of Ben....I like his gun slinging approach to the game....Yes its careless at times but in another sense Ben can turn any play into a great play....Now if Ben was on the pace of last year regarding INTs then I would be worried...lol

Hopefully Ben takes some more cues from Peyton and just adds it to his game...The guy is still only in his fourth year.....I just would like to see Ben have the time that Peyton or Tom enjoyed...I'm sure he wouldn't throw those terrible INTs....Most of them happen when he is moving in the pocket and trying to make something out of nothing....

FastWillieParker39
10-28-2007, 10:19 PM
Which candidly is about what should be expected with the talent level of this team, as it was for the Oilers and Bengals when they played against the Steelers in the 70s.

No shame in that, unlike what the Bengals and Bears are pulling this season.

I agree, espically since we were suppose to finish 3rd in the AFCN by the media accounts. Also, we have a new coach so if we win the divsion and end up 3rd in the conference, I'd call that a successful season. Some people just want 16-0 every year and I want that too but you gotta be realistic about it.

Preacher
10-28-2007, 10:26 PM
This team is a very good team in a season featuring one great team and one potentially legendary team.

Merrill Hoge had a good observation on ESPN this evening - the Steelers can approach elite level if Ben raises the level of his game, which Hoge says involves Ben not making the dumb turnover.

If Ben does not throw the horrible INT the Steelers go up 24-6 and today's game is over in the third quarter. That was 2 plays after Ben ran out of bounds on 1st down rather than force something - unfortunately Ben still tries to make the play when nothing is there if he thinks he needs to force something - that leads to great plays like the completion in the first half when he was falling down with a Bengal hanging on to his leg, but 3 out of the last 4 games have seen 2006 Ben making return appearances with forced INTs.

This team goes as far as Ben can take it - at his current level of play that is a first round playoff win and a not particularly close loss in indy or New England after that. Which candidly is about what should be expected with the talent level of this team, as it was for the Oilers and Bengals when they played against the Steelers in the 70s.

No shame in that, unlike what the Bengals and Bears are pulling this season.

As much as I would love to yell and scream, I gotta say that is a dead on post. Ben is a VERY GOOD QB right now. But once in a while, he comes up with a bad decision and costs us and INT. However, he is still learning, and I am happy with that.

FastWillieParker39
10-28-2007, 10:28 PM
As much as I would love to yell and scream, I gotta say that is a dead on post. Ben is a VERY GOOD QB right now. But once in a while, he comes up with a bad decision and costs us and INT. However, he is still learning, and I am happy with that.

Exactly, QB's are allowed to make mistakes, even Joe Montana made some bad mistakes.

However, I will say this about Ben. When he's good, he's GOOD, he's right on the money every single play. But when he's bad, he's BAD, he's a turover machine and makes me want to put a bag over my head.

HometownGal
10-28-2007, 10:31 PM
Here's the bottom line, and I hope the team is taking this to heart - don't worry about what everyone else is doing, and only control what YOU can control. Just take care of business week in and week out, and let the chips fall where they may.

Most definitely. :thumbsup:

From the words of a SB winning former Steelers coach - "one game at a time." :jammin:

GBMelBlount
10-28-2007, 10:35 PM
Just take care of business week in and week out, and let the chips fall where they may.

Exactly. Look at 2004, 2005 vs. predictions. I look at our balance & I know we can hang with anyone. Play our best & let the chips fall where they may.

BozMan
10-28-2007, 10:55 PM
I am not busting on Ben and arguing Batch should play LOL - but I agree with Hoge that for Ben to make the leap to the next level the throw it up for grabs and see what happens INT needs to quit happening on a weekly basis.

In terms of strength and mobility IMO Ben already is above Manning and Brady but lags in terms of decisionmaking - I was pleased to hear today Ben said he is studying how Manning makes the long handoff and is trying to use the same mechanics when it is a handoff to Willie P. and when it is play action - those little things are what it takes to become better.

In terms of raw athletic ability, I'd put Ben up against any other QB in the league. The one department holding Ben back is definitely his decision making. It's important to remember that Ben hasn't been playing QB/football all his life like Manning or Brady. He was a multi-sport athlete throughout much of his formative years, and only gravitated towards football his senior high school year. Remember his high school coach playing his own son over Ben for several years?

So when Ben entered the NFL as rookie, he was at a disadvantage compared to someone like Manning during his rookie year. Where this comes into play is decision making. Ben simply hasn't had the same amount of coaching and training as other QBs at the same stage of their careers. That experience pays off when trying to make a split-second decision under intense pressure.

Ben will only get better and has already shown a marked improvement this year under Anderson's tutelage. Hopefully he spends a lot of time outside the game thinking about and reviewing his plays, both good and bad. That will help his ability to quickly make a decision under pressure.

Jeremy
10-28-2007, 11:01 PM
Look at the two losses, and you won't like what you see.

Two average teams on the road and two bad Steelers losses. The Arizona Cardinals, even with two healthy quaterbacks, aren't better than 8-8 and the Broncos are maybe a 9-7 team. But Pittsburgh went into both of those games and didn't look at all like themselves. In Arizona, they couldn't run the football to save their lives. In Denver, they couldn't stop an anemic Broncos offense. For a team that figures to maybe have a home game in the playoffs, that's not a good trend to have at mid season.

WisconsinSteelerMan
10-28-2007, 11:14 PM
WOW... I wish I could have watched the game... Honestly, it sounds like we LOST today...

Living in the land of cheese and Brett Favre, I can say that while he is a GREAT QB... one of the best ever, there are times that everyone questions his decision making ability. Some years are definitely worse than others, but even the great ones were laden with some sincere yelling of WTF...

My opinion, a great QB takes risks. He works on his skills at getting the ball where only our receiver can make the catch, but he still takes risks. Sometimes those risks turn out like the one INT that Ben had today... Sometimes it ends up with a TD or FD that is desparately needed.

Nope, New England and Indy, we ain't. I am going to enjoy the games I get to actually see up here in Wisconsin, and I am going to cheer our boys on in front of the computer for the games I can't see.

Sorry to rant...Just frustrated

Mike in La Crosse, WI

cubanstogie
10-28-2007, 11:44 PM
The Steelers and Pats have held Cincy to 13 points. Cincy has averaged about 30 plus in all other games. Pretty damn good defense. You guys are whinny bitches. Bens interception was on a play where he scrambled, broke a tackle and tried to make something happen. He has made more than his share of plays this year doing similar things. One mistake this game, its like running back fumbling trying to gain extra yards on a second effort. You are disappointed, but can't really complain due to effort. Thats the way I look at the interceptiontoday. Other than that he was perfect. If he doesn't make that mistake we win by even larger margin. A division win on the road is huge. No matter what you guys think. I will agree that lack of pressure is worrying me, but Carson takes a lot of 3 step drops. Quit comparing us to Colts or Pats, we are not there yet. But if you look at the Steelers so far this year, I would give us a B+, and Ben an A. Our O-line and lack of pressure on opposing QB's is our only weekness right now. Willie is still getting 100 yard games and Ben is making the plays, so even with our shaky line we are still playing great balanced offense. If we win next week 6-2, and 3-0 in division is huge. And if I hear whinning then I will puke.

fansince'76
10-28-2007, 11:48 PM
If we win next week 6-2, and 3-0 in division is huge. And if I hear whinning then I will puke.

Get your barf bag ready, then.

steelpride12
10-29-2007, 12:12 AM
Ha no matter what were still gonna be frowned apon or overlooked due to the success of New England and Indy, but were used to it and just need to prove ourselves in the playoffs that were a very good team and we can go all the way again.

WisconsinSteelerMan
10-29-2007, 12:23 AM
I am not particularly looking to go to or win the Superbowl this year. Our team is too green with our new-look coach. I look at this year as a learning year...learning what we do well and what we need to improve. All that being said, I kind of like being the "underdog" and team that everyone says is an "also ran" with the big boys out there in the spotlight (NE and Indy)....

I do have to say that no matter how classless they are, the Patsies are freakin amazing this year... going to be a tough game!

Mike in La Crosse, WI

Preacher
10-29-2007, 01:03 AM
Get your barf bag ready, then.

Way too true!

Galax Steeler
10-29-2007, 04:50 AM
I would love to see this team in the superbowl but realisticly I would justs like to see a good playoff run this year and be ready next year.

Aussie_steeler
10-29-2007, 05:39 AM
We are 5 - 2 and look like we are heading in the right direction to make the playoffs. Let the team get to the playoffs and then anything can happen once they start.

We wont win superbowl 41&1/2 next week but then again I cant remember who won superbowl 40 & 1/2 or any other half bowl.

Our coaching staff and roster are working well together. Looks good for the future.

I am glad to be a steeler fan and thankful not to be a dolphin or ram fan.

What reason is there to be negative at the moment? I sure am glad that we have BIg Ben and not Rivers or ELI.

Lets enjoy the victory today.:tt02:

DACEB
10-29-2007, 10:30 AM
In terms of raw athletic ability, I'd put Ben up against any other QB in the league. The one department holding Ben back is definitely his decision making. It's important to remember that Ben hasn't been playing QB/football all his life like Manning or Brady. He was a multi-sport athlete throughout much of his formative years, and only gravitated towards football his senior high school year. Remember his high school coach playing his own son over Ben for several years?

So when Ben entered the NFL as rookie, he was at a disadvantage compared to someone like Manning during his rookie year. Where this comes into play is decision making. Ben simply hasn't had the same amount of coaching and training as other QBs at the same stage of their careers. That experience pays off when trying to make a split-second decision under intense pressure.

Ben will only get better and has already shown a marked improvement this year under Anderson's tutelage. Hopefully he spends a lot of time outside the game thinking about and reviewing his plays, both good and bad. That will help his ability to quickly make a decision under pressure.

Excellent post in my opinion BozMan!!

I love Ben, but he absolutely has to work on the mental aspect of his game. Don't get me wrong I believe he has, but he still has a way to go and alot has to do with the points brought up by BozMan (limited amatuer experience). I like the fact that Ben is studying other successful QB's and continually working on his game. Ben won't always be able to shake and shrug off defenders as he does now so his decision making must improve, and I'm sure will, with time.

As many have pointed out, this is the first year with this coaching staff and the team can only improve with each game played. As BozMan pointed out, and I believe also, Andersons tutelage will be huge for Ben and his understanding of what opposing D's are trying to do. Given the fact that Ben is years behind Manning and Brady in terms of experience his future looks extremely bright. Give this offense this year to get going and the combo of Arians, Ben and Anderson could potentially be one of the most consistently potent and balanced offenses for years to come.

DACEB
10-29-2007, 10:33 AM
Ha no matter what were still gonna be frowned apon or overlooked due to the success of New England and Indy, but were used to it and just need to prove ourselves in the playoffs that were a very good team and we can go all the way again.

Is'nt that the way we like it though!! Let them discount us, we'll come back to bite them in the a$$ later!!

DACEB
10-29-2007, 12:00 PM
For those that don't like the criticizm put forth by some of the posters and for those that are 'realists' (those that accept the reality that we're not as good as the Pats and Colts) here is my message to y'all.

The Steelers are just as good as the Pats and Colts, if they eliminate the mistakes that all of us 'critics' point out.

The Steelers are 1 of 5 teams at this point in the season that are top ten both offense and defense. If the mental mistakes can be eliminated this team CAN win it all THIS year.

Perfection is near impossible but if you don't strive for it you will never even come close.

Virginia Steeler
10-29-2007, 12:10 PM
the Steelers were not supposed to be better than the Colts in 2005 either. The regular season records all reset to 0-0 when the playoffs start.

BlastFurnace
10-29-2007, 12:47 PM
The worst team I have seen at 5-2 this season is Tennessee. Vince Young is a terrible QB. How they win with him is beyond me.