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10-30-2007, 05:59 PM
Former Steelers nominated for Hall
Tuesday, October 30, 2007
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Former Steelers linebackers Levon Kirkland and Hardy Nickerson are among those nominated to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in their first year of eligibility.

In all, 124 people are on the Hall's modern-era nomination list for the Class of 2008, including former Steelers nominated in previous years as well. They are center Dermontti Dawson, linebacker Kevin Greene, safety Donnie Shell, former coach Buddy Parker and former head of player personnel Art Rooney Jr.

Selectors will choose 25 candidates who will advance as semifinalist nominees from this list, then reduce it to 15 modern-era finalists.

The final list for Hall of Fame consideration will consist of those 15 modern-era nominees plus two previously announced senior nominees, Marshall Goldberg, who played at Pitt, and Emmitt Thomas. Goldberg, a multi-purpose back was a two-way star with the Chicago Cardinals from 1939-1943 and following World War II from 1946 to 1948. Thomas, an all-league cornerback, starred for 13 seasons (1966-1978) for the Kansas City Chiefs. The two senior nominees were selected this past August by the Hall of Fame's Senior Selection Committee.

The Class of 2008 will be selected from the list of 17 finalists (15 modern-era and two senior nominees). The voting will take place Feb. 2 in Phoenix, Ariz. Between four and seven new members will be selected.

To be considered for Hall of Fame election, a nominated player or coach must have been retired at least five years.

The Nominees:

Nominees in First Year of Eligibility

? WIDE RECEIVERS ' Cris Carter, Herman Moore

? RUNNING BACK ' Eric Metcalf (also WR/KR/PR)

? OFFENSIVE TACKLES ' Tony Boselli, Lomas Brown, Richmond Webb

? LINEBACKERS ' Levon Kirkland, Hardy Nickerson

? CORNERBACK ' Darrell Green (CB)

Additional Nominees for the Class of 2008

? QUARTERBACKS ' Ken Anderson, Randall Cunningham, Boomer Esiason, Jim Plunkett, Phil Simms, Ken Stabler, Joe Theismann, Danny White, Doug Williams

? RUNNING BACKS ' Ottis Anderson, Roger Craig, Terrell Davis, Herschel Walker, Ricky Watters

? WIDE RECEIVERS ' Cliff Branch, Harold Carmichael, Dwight Clark, Gary Clark, Isaac Curtis, Henry Ellard, Roy Green, *Art Monk, Drew Pearson, *Andre Reed

? TIGHT ENDS ' Mark Bavaro, Todd Christensen, Ben Coates, Russ Francis, Brent Jones, Jay Novacek

? OFFENSIVE LINEMEN ' Jim Covert (T), Dermontti Dawson (C), *Russ Grimm (G), Jay Hilgenberg (C), Kent Hill (G/T), Chris Hinton (G/T), Kent Hull (C), Joe Jacoby (T), Mike Kenn (T), *Bob Kuechenberg (G), Jim Lachey (T), Mark May (T/G/C), Randall McDaniel (G), Jeff Van Note (C), Steve Wisniewski (G), *Gary Zimmerman (T)

? DEFENSIVE LINEMEN ' Ray Childress (DT/DE), *Fred Dean (DE), *Richard Dent (DE), Chris Doleman (DE/LB), Jacob Green (DE), Charles Haley (DE/LB), Jim Jeffcoat (DE), Ed 'Too Tall' Jones (DE), Cortez Kennedy (DT), Joe Klecko (DE/DT/NT), Fred Smerlas (NT)

? LINEBACKERS ' Cornelius Bennett, Matt Blair, Robert Brazile, Randy Gradishar, Kevin Greene (LB/DE), Ken Harvey, Rickey Jackson, Wilber Marshall, Clay Matthews, Karl Mecklenburg, Sam Mills, Pat Swilling, Darryl Talley, *Derrick Thomas, *Andre Tippett

? DEFENSIVE BACKS ' Eric Allen (CB), Steve Atwater (S), Joey Browner (S), LeRoy Butler (S), Raymond Clayborn (CB), Nolan Cromwell (S), Kenny Easley (S), Lester Hayes (CB), Albert Lewis (CB), Ken Riley (CB), Donnie Shell (S), Louis Wright (CB)

? KICKER/PUNTERS ' *Ray Guy (P), Nick Lowery (K), Reggie Roby (P)

? SPECIAL TEAMS ' Elbert Shelley (S), Steve Tasker (WR)

? COACHES ' Don Coryell, Tom Flores, Jimmy Johnson, Chuck Knox, Buddy Parker, Clark Shaughnessy, Ernie Zampese

? CONTRIBUTORS ' K. S. 'Bud' Adams, Jr., Gil Brandt, C. O. Brocato, Leo Carlin, Ed DeBartolo, Jr., Pat Haggerty, Bob Harlan, Jerry Jones, Bucko Kilroy, Art McNally, Art Modell, Art Rooney, Jr., Ed Sabol, Steve Sabol, *Paul Tagliabue, Jim Tunney, Ralph Wilson, Jr., Ron Wolf, George Young

*On 2007 17 finalists list

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07303/829711-66.stm

Elvis
10-30-2007, 06:53 PM
I honestly dont think that Hardy or Levon will ever be Hall of Famers. They were good players, but there is better LB's out there that are not in the HOF. I think that Greg Lloyd would be in the HOF before either of these 2 former Steelers LB's. Now, as far as C Dermontti Dawson and WR Chris Carter and OT Tony Boselli and DB Darrell Greene should or could be first time in guys. Dermontti is the best all around center in Steelers history in my opinion. He could pull or stay in position and pass block or just run over you in the run blocking. I know alot of people are gonna say Webster was the best, but Dermontti is the one that I remember seeing play his whole career. I remember our team having such a hard time giving NT Joel Steed the starting job because he didnt look that good in practice, but when they put him on the field against other Centers he was very good, so that just showed how good Dawson was at Center. Anyone that dont vote for DB Darrell Green first ballot should have their vote taken away..

revefsreleets
10-30-2007, 07:33 PM
Hardy Nickerson should get in. He put up great numbers, and although he never won a ring, he was an outstanding citizen on and off the field. Him and Warrick Dunn are both great examples of outstanding people who aren't nearly as recognized as they should be because they don't do asinine TD dances and the like.

Not sure about Kirkland, but Dirt Dawson should have been enshrined last year.

JPPT1974
10-30-2007, 07:34 PM
Well we just have to take a wait and see attitude
Now don't we?!

MasterOfPuppets
10-30-2007, 07:40 PM
wow !!! i'm just shocked at some of the guys that aren't in yet.....
QUARTERBACK-Boomer Esiason,
RUNNING BACK-Ottis Anderson,
WIDE RECEIVERS -Art Monk,
TIGHT END-Mark Bavaro
OFFENSIVE LINEMEN-Dermontti Dawson
DEFENSIVE LINEMEN -Richard Dent
LINEBACKER-Derrick Thomas,
DEFENSIVE BACK-Donnie Shell
KICKER/PUNTERS -Ray Guy

fansince'76
10-30-2007, 10:49 PM
Not sure about Kirkland, but Dirt Dawson should have been enshrined last year.

Completely agree with your assessment of Dirt. But I also think Kirkland is worthy - the guy was an animal. I still remember him covering Shannon Sharpe like a blanket and picking off an Elway pass intended for Sharpe during the opening drive of the '97 AFCCG. Amazing agility and speed for his size.

MasterOfPuppets
10-30-2007, 11:11 PM
Completely agree with your assessment of Dirt. But I also think Kirkland is worthy - the guy was an animal. I still remember him covering Shannon Sharpe like a blanket and picking off an Elway pass intended for Sharpe during the opening drive of the '97 AFCCG. Amazing agility and speed for his size.
kirkland was a great linebacker,but look at some of the other linebackers on the list that were, just as, or even more so worthy, and they've been passed over for quite some time.( brazile)

GBMelBlount
10-30-2007, 11:13 PM
wow !!! i'm just shocked at some of the guys that aren't in yet.....
QUARTERBACK-Boomer Esiason,
RUNNING BACK-Ottis Anderson,
WIDE RECEIVERS -Art Monk,
TIGHT END-Mark Bavaro
OFFENSIVE LINEMEN-Dermontti Dawson
DEFENSIVE LINEMEN -Richard Dent
LINEBACKER-Derrick Thomas,
DEFENSIVE BACK-Donnie Shell
KICKER/PUNTERS -Ray Guy

I'll vote for Dawson & Guy.

fansince'76
10-30-2007, 11:22 PM
kirkland was a great linebacker,but look at some of the other linebackers on the list that were, just as, or even more so worthy, and they've been passed over for quite some time.( brazile)

Good point - Kirkland was a lot more recent than Brazile and Gradishar, for that matter. On top of that, he was a Steeler, so some of the things he did are more in the front of my mind than the things Brazile and Gradishar did. There's a reason I'm not a HoF voter. :chuckle:

tony hipchest
10-30-2007, 11:39 PM
wow !!! i'm just shocked at some of the guys that aren't in yet.....
QUARTERBACK-Boomer Esiason,
RUNNING BACK-Ottis Anderson,
WIDE RECEIVERS -Art Monk,
TIGHT END-Mark Bavaro
OFFENSIVE LINEMEN-Dermontti Dawson
DEFENSIVE LINEMEN -Richard Dent
LINEBACKER-Derrick Thomas,
DEFENSIVE BACK-Donnie Shell
KICKER/PUNTERS -Ray Guy

Hardy Nickerson should get in. He put up great numbers, and although he never won a ring, he was an outstanding citizen on and off the field. Him and Warrick Dunn are both great examples of outstanding people who aren't nearly as recognized as they should be because they don't do asinine TD dances and the like.

Not sure about Kirkland, but Dirt Dawson should have been enshrined last year.


kevin greene???

a big part of hall of fame voting is how you measure up to the peers of your time. if thats criteria, the only player more dominant at greenes position was lawrence taylor.

he put sack numbers up there with bruce smith and reggie white.

kevins stats and character speak for themselves. i thought he deserved 1st ballot and think it will be a travesty if he doesnt go in this year.

:jammin:

jjpro11
10-30-2007, 11:49 PM
I'll vote for Dawson & Guy.

derrick thomas deserves to go in immediately as well.

shutdown
10-31-2007, 12:35 AM
derrick thomas deserves to go in immediately as well.

ya he was a definite snub last year.

Lord Stiller
10-31-2007, 09:08 AM
I doubt Kirkland or Nickerson ever make it in

Dawson and Greene will definitely make it, hopefully sooner than later

revefsreleets
10-31-2007, 06:06 PM
Greene was a bit one-dimensional though. Nickerson was a pretty complete player.

Lord Stiller
10-31-2007, 08:49 PM
Greene was a bit one-dimensional though. Nickerson was a pretty complete player.

I agree but Greene is ranked 3rd on the NFL's all-time sack leaders list and I think he won defensive player of the year one time (not sure)

Fact is, it is very hard for a defensive player to make it into the Hall. The Hall heavily favors offensive players

MasterOfPuppets
10-31-2007, 08:59 PM
here's the entire list of defensive players....

Modern Era: Defensive Linemen (25)

Doug Atkins (DE) 1953-1969
Elvin Bethea (DE) 1968-1983
Junious (Buck) Buchanan (DT) 1963-1975
Willie Davis (DE) 1958-1969
Art Donovan (DT) 1950-1961
Carl Eller (DE) 1964-1979
Len Ford (DE) 1948-1958
Joe Greene (DT) 1969-1981
Dan Hampton (DT-DE) 1979-1990
David (Deacon) Jones (DE) 1961-1974
Henry Jordan (DT) 1957-1969
Bob Lilly (DT) 1961-1974 Howie Long (DE) 1981-1993
Gino Marchetti (DE) 1952-1964, 1966
Leo Nomellini (DT) 1950-1963
Merlin Olsen (DT) 1962-1976
Alan Page (DT) 1967-1981
Andy Robustelli (DE) 1951-1964
Lee Roy Selmon (DE) 1976-1984
Ernie Stautner (DT) 1950-1963
Arnie Weinmeister (DT) 1948-1953
Randy White (DT) 1975-1988
Reggie White (DT-DE) 1985-1998, 2000
Bill Willis (MG) 1946-1953
Jack Youngblood (DE) 1971-1984

LINEBACKERS (16)

Bobby Bell (also DE) 1963-1974
Nick Buoniconti 1962-1974, 1976
Dick Butkus 1965-1973
Harry Carson 1976-1988
George Connor (also DT, OT) 1948-1955
Bill George 1952-1966
Jack Ham 1971-1982
Ted Hendricks 1969-1983 Sam Huff 1956-1967, 1969
Jack Lambert 1974-1984
Willie Lanier 1967-1977
Ray Nitschke 1958-1972
Joe Schmidt 1953-1965
Mike Singletary 1981-1992
Lawrence Taylor 1981-1993
Dave Wilcox 1964-1974

DEFENSIVE BACKS (17)

Herb Adderley (CB) 1961-1972
Lem Barney (CB) 1967-1977
Mel Blount (CB) 1970-1983
Willie Brown (CB) 1963-1978
Jack Christiansen (S) 1951-1958
Mike Haynes (CB) 1976-1989
Ken Houston (S) 1967-1980
Jimmy Johnson (CB) 1961-1976 Paul Krause (S) 1964-1979
Dick (Night Train) Lane (CB) 1952-1965
Yale Lary (S) 1952-1953, 1956-1964
Ronnie Lott (CB-S) 1981-1994
Mel Renfro (S-CB) 1964-1977
Emlen Tunnell (S) 1948-1961
Roger Wehrli 1969-1982
Larry Wilson (S) 1960-1972
Willie Wood (S) 1960-1971

Godfather
11-01-2007, 12:04 AM
My ballot would be:

Dermontti Dawson
Donnie Shell
Ed 'Too Tall' Jones
Art Monk
Richard Dent
Art Rooney Jr.
LC |Greenwood (travesty that he isn't in)

Too many Steelers? Tough, call the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmbulance.

Lord Stiller
11-01-2007, 08:18 AM
forgot about Donnie Shell

how the heck isn't he in yet????

Indy_Steelers
11-01-2007, 04:58 PM
WHERE IS L.C. GREENWOOD?????:banging:

revefsreleets
11-01-2007, 06:52 PM
I think Shell and Greenwood are victims of "Toomuchsteelerhofitis". They are probably only going to get in on the old timer ballot.

CantStop85
11-01-2007, 07:03 PM
I'm telling ya, this is the year Ken Anderson makes it into the Hall. :flap:

The Duke
11-01-2007, 08:17 PM
I'm telling ya, this is the year Ken Anderson makes it into the Hall. :flap:

soon it will also be Palmer's time :toofunny:

Indy_Steelers
11-04-2007, 02:11 PM
Shell and Greenwood will not the only Steelers that will not go into the HOF becasue of to many Steelers. Ward will not get in because of the same reason, Kevin Green and maybe Lloyd. Right now the only two Steelers that are shoe ins are Woodson and Bettis and these days, the way the idiot voters are, I am not sure about Woodson. I wonder how many voters today have even seen Shell and Grenwood play.

Lord Stiller
11-04-2007, 04:30 PM
the way the idiot voters are, I am not sure about Woodson.

Woodson is a LOCK even more so than Bettis

He will likely be in on the first ballot, Bettis will probably have to wait awhile. Woodson was the best DB in the NFL for several years and made the 75th year anniversary team. Bettis was never the best RB in the NFL