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Atlanta Dan
10-31-2007, 01:37 PM
With Pats-Colts hype firing away, ESPN.com has a good read on the top 5 "modern" (post-1970 merger) NFL rivalries

Cowboys-Redskins 1970-83 is #1 and Raiders-Steelers 1972-77 is #2

Cowboys-Redskins got more media hype, but the Raiders-Steelers wars were noteworthy for both the level of violence and the amount of talent on the field:

It's an understatement to call this a rivalry. These games were so vicious that they easily could've been staged in a back alley. On one side stood the Raiders, a team that openly embraced a desire to intimidate any opponent that lined up across from it. On the other side were the Steelers, the most dominant team of the 1970s, a blue-collar bunch that backed down to nobody. When it came down to it, these two squads couldn't stand each other. ...

The main reason there was so much bitterness is that these teams were both blessed with insane talent (19 players who competed in these games have been inducted into the Hall of Fame) and they were constantly battling for the right to reach the Super Bowl.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=3086647

Good read

Indy_Steelers
10-31-2007, 03:08 PM
Just because some one has played another team 4 or 5 times does not mean that they are a rival. The Colts have only been good for the last 3 or 4 years and I do not think they have a big rivalry. The closet think that they had in the past was Miami but they switched divisions, so maybe now it might be the Titans for the simple reason that they are the toughest team for Indy to beat. But A rivalry like Steelers v. Browns or Steelers v. Raiders or Steelers v. Cowboys or Cowboys v. Redskins, I do not think so. It is just media hype.

HometownGal
10-31-2007, 04:25 PM
Nice read, Dan. Thanks. :thumbsup:

Ahhhhhh - that article brings back a lot of memories of the Steelers/Raiders hate filled rivalry. I was just a young teenager when the rivalry began, but it's something as a Steelers fan, I've never forgotten. Sitting in our seats at TRS, you could just feel the intensity even before the opening coin toss. I loathed that Raiders team even more than I loathe the Bungles and Pats of today. Dirty, rotten scoundrels or - as Coach Noll called them - a criminal element. :thumbsup:

Edman
10-31-2007, 04:41 PM
Pats/Colts shouldn't be on that list. Until one of the Pats players/coaches ribs the Colts on or off the field or vice versa, It can't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Steelers/Raiders, Packers/Bears, or Cowboys/Redskins in terms of nastiness and prestige. This list is a joke.

rbryan
10-31-2007, 04:53 PM
Anything coming out of ESPN is a joke. Huge surprise they consider the patsies and Indy something other than what it really is.

For every game these two have played that meant anything there are 10 that decided who finished in last place, going back to the days when they were in the same division.

TroysBadDawg
10-31-2007, 10:00 PM
Well I guess the Steelrs and Browns never had one a rivalry according to them. I say we still do , Who hates the Ratbirds the most. And When , the browns get a great coach again the GReat rivalry will again happen between the two great team like before, if the No Fun League and the Mayor of Cleveland allows it.

Rhee Rhee
11-01-2007, 02:00 AM
hehe too bad lately isnt hasn't been as close... (except for last year.. that was just a speed bump)

TroysBadDawg
11-01-2007, 07:39 AM
It will happen again, it is like a pedulum, it swings both ways, I don't.

Lord Stiller
11-01-2007, 09:03 AM
Colts/Pats today is a good rivalry, reminds me of a pussier version of the Raiders/Steelers

Speaking of Raiders vs Steelers, one of my all-time favorite highlights is one of Mel Blount total jacking up a Raiders reciever (maybe Cliff Branch?) Anyhow, he pretty much DDT's the Raiders player. Anyone else remember the play I'm talking about?

onthebus36
11-01-2007, 10:35 AM
Pats/Colts shouldn't be on that list. Until one of the Pats players/coaches ribs the Colts on or off the field or vice versa, It can't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Steelers/Raiders, Packers/Bears, or Cowboys/Redskins in terms of nastiness and prestige. This list is a joke.

I agree 100%. Just because two teams are good at the same time doesn't make it a rivalry. To me, a great rivalry includes history, bad blood, and big games. Colts/Pats are just two teams who happen to be competitive right now. The day to day rivalry between teams in the AFC North, NFC East, and NFC North are way more intense than the Colts/Pats rivalry.

Atlanta Dan
11-01-2007, 10:36 AM
Colts/Pats today is a good rivalry, reminds me of a pussier version of the Raiders/Steelers

Speaking of Raiders vs Steelers, one of my all-time favorite highlights is one of Mel Blount total jacking up a Raiders reciever (maybe Cliff Branch?) Anyhow, he pretty much DDT's the Raiders player. Anyone else remember the play I'm talking about?

If you are referring to where Mel pretty much flips Branch and spikes him helmet first into the ground I definitely remember it - I do not recall if that was in the 1974 AFC Championship or the 1976 regular season opener (the "criminal element" game where Atkinson clubbed Swann in the back of the head) - Blount's play pretty much reflected how those games were played - those were the days.:sofunny:

warddj86
11-01-2007, 11:16 AM
according to sports illustrated last year, steelers-bengals is the biggest rivalry in the nfl

Lord Stiller
11-01-2007, 11:50 AM
If you are referring to where Mel pretty much flips Branch and spikes him helmet first into the ground I definitely remember it - I do not recall if that was in the 1974 AFC Championship or the 1976 regular season opener (the "criminal element" game where Atkinson clubbed Swann in the back of the head) - Blount's play pretty much reflected how those games were played - those were the days.:sofunny:

Yep, that's the one. I dont recall what the hit on Swann looked like but Blount's retaliation was brutal, probably the most vicious play I've ever seen (that's what you get when you mess with the Steelers :tt02:)

September 12, 1976 at Oakland Raiders, Season Opener

In what was becoming a heated rivalry for dominance of the AFC in the 1970s, this game brought tensions to a boiling point. Coming off of a freshly minted dynasty, the Steelers opened the quest for three championships in a row at the home of the eventual Super Bowl XI Champion Oakland Raiders. Pittsburgh was up late 28-14, but the Raiders came back with a vengeance. George Atkinson got in a cheap shot against Super Bowl MVP Swann with a blow to the head. Mel Blount retaliated later by driving Raider Cliff Branch head-first into the turf. Chuck Noll later fumed that Atkinson's hit on Swann was part of the "criminal element of the NFL" prompting the Raider to sue Noll in California court. Oakland won the slugfest 31-28.

Atlanta Dan
11-01-2007, 11:56 AM
Yep, that's the one. I dont recall what the hit on Swann looked like but Blount's retaliation was brutal, probably the most vicious play I've ever seen (that's what you get when you mess with the Steelers :tt02:)

4 weeks later Turkey Jones spiked Bradshaw into the turf at Cleveland in a manner similar to how Blount drilled Branch - for those of us old enough to remember watching those games there were vicious shots like that all the time in the 70s.

silver & black
11-03-2007, 07:39 PM
Nice read, Dan. Thanks. :thumbsup:

Ahhhhhh - that article brings back a lot of memories of the Steelers/Raiders hate filled rivalry. I was just a young teenager when the rivalry began, but it's something as a Steelers fan, I've never forgotten. Sitting in our seats at TRS, you could just feel the intensity even before the opening coin toss. I loathed that Raiders team even more than I loathe the Bungles and Pats of today. Dirty, rotten scoundrels or - as Coach Noll called them - a criminal element. :thumbsup:

Thats great! Thats why I come here! I feel the same way about the Steelers... in a good way, if that makes sense?

I have always said that there has never been a rivalry that was so equal on both sides of the ball, or filled with so much desire by both teams to beat the living s**t out of each other, before or since... I would love to see that rekindled some day! :cheers:

silver & black
11-03-2007, 07:42 PM
Colts/Pats today is a good rivalry, reminds me of a pussier version of the Raiders/Steelers

Speaking of Raiders vs Steelers, one of my all-time favorite highlights is one of Mel Blount total jacking up a Raiders reciever (maybe Cliff Branch?) Anyhow, he pretty much DDT's the Raiders player. Anyone else remember the play I'm talking about?

Yep, it was Cliff Branch. Drove his head into the ground. That was football! :thumbsup:

silver & black
11-03-2007, 07:49 PM
4 weeks later Turkey Jones spiked Bradshaw into the turf at Cleveland in a manner similar to how Blount drilled Branch - for those of us old enough to remember watching those games there were vicious shots like that all the time in the 70s.

Yes sir, that was typical 70's football. I remember the Turkey Jones play too. I really miss the 70's... :jammin:

rbryan
11-03-2007, 08:37 PM
I'd like to see a "Turkey Jones" during the Patsie game tomorrow

Atlanta Dan
11-04-2007, 07:02 AM
I'd like to see a "Turkey Jones" during the Patsie game tomorrow

If anyone does that to Peyton or Brady today they will be banned for life by Goodell

If you ever have a chance to see the NFL Films "America's Game" for the 1975 Steelers and look at the hits with no flags in the Raiders-AFC championship game that year (Lambert takes Branch's helmet off with one tackle, Atkinson knocks Swann out of the game with a clothesline tackle (this is the game before the infamous "criminal element" game), Marv Hubbard smashes Wagner's face into the ice 5 yards out of bounds after Wagner returns an INT)) you will get a flavor as to how much leeway players were given back then - as Silver & Black said, that was football.

And the Steelers-Raiders rivalry went up to the owners. The P-G has this story from Dan Rooney's new book:

He makes no secret of the fact he detests fellow Pro Football Hall of Fame member Al Davis. He writes of Davis' antics several times, including one from 1977 when he believed Davis was behind Oakland defensive back George Atkinson's disruptive lawsuit against Noll.

But the best Davis story spun by Rooney occurred when the NFL merged with the AFL, and then realigned when Cleveland, Baltimore and the Steelers moved to the AFC and divisions were formed.

The negotiations were long, hard and often contentious, but after they finally agreed on alignment, Al Davis tried to challenge the AFC Central makeup of the Browns, Steelers, Bengals and Oilers. Rooney told him it was "untouchable.'' Davis shot back, "No, it isn't.''

Finally, Davis walked out of the room, where he was confronted by Vince Lombardi.

"In the hallway, Vince grabbed Al by the collar, lifted him up, and pressed him against the wall, hard. 'If you're going to cause people trouble,' he warned, 'you'll be run out of here. You're getting the best teams. Dan Rooney came a long way for this, so settle down or we'll throw you out. We don't need you!' "

I would love to have a photo of Saint Vince putting Oakland Al up against the wall

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07308/830795-66.stm

GBMelBlount
11-04-2007, 07:35 AM
Does anyone know where I can get a pic of the Blount hit?