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SteelDogFan
11-03-2007, 10:55 AM
The reason for this post is to say that any negative things said about Bill C. is just plain stupid. That is not a personal attack on anyones character but to think that any real Steelers fan would have a negative mindset towards a coach that kept the Steelers winning tradition going for over ten years is just plain sad. Also to say we could have won more SBs with another coach, any team in the NFL can make that statement, but most of them would take Cower in a heart beat.

I know that we had bad years and i also know that there were some times where his coaching decisions seemed wrong or not right for the situation, But so what, No-one can name a NFL, forget just NFL lets say any professional sporting franchise that has had the same coach, general manager, leader ect, that has kept their team at the top of their league for that amount of time. In the past yes but not at this day and age. You may find one or two but you wont find over five. The Steelers have been at the top in or actually in 1st place in rushing and rushing defense the entire time he was the coach.

Some are actually going as far as to say ALREADY!. That Tomlin is better than Cower.
That doesn't make any sense. Don't misunderstand I think Tomlin is a great coach and believe he will keep the Steelers tradition going strong. Heck I actually believe he will win a Superbowl if he does not change his style.

But to compare him to a Hall Of Fame Coach doesn't make sense. Lets put it like this
Not to put down Tomlin but, he is like George Siefert, Barry Switzer or John Gruden to which he inherited a great team with a lot of talent and everyone is screaming how great his coaching is. I love his style but he hasn't even been through a year of coaching.

If Cower had went to the Cleveland Browns and not the Steelers they may have been the Team with the Superbowl in the last ten years and not us.

I'm going to stop their because I could go on for ever. The next time any Steelers fan reads or hears something negative about a coach that kept you positive and looking forward to Sundays for over t tens years tell them they could go be a Detroit or Arizona fan.

HometownGal
11-03-2007, 11:22 AM
I'm the type of person who appreciates every contribution made by those who currently wear or formerly wore the black and gold - no matter how much I may like or dislike them (Kordumbell is a prime example).

Having lived in the Burgh all but 2 years of my life, I've become quite accustomed to the breed of "what have you done for me lately" Steelers "fans". I hate to segregate here, but I see this attitude more in the younger crowd than those of us who experienced the highs of the 70's and the lows of the 80's. That being said, I have nothing negative to say about Bill Cowher - he is a legendary Steelers coach and future HOF'er who came here and made a huge difference. He gave us far more good seasons than bad and motivated a 2005 team that was "left for dead", taking them all the way to and winning SB XL. His accomplishments in 15 years as our HC speak for themselves. When I see an anti-Cowher post, I have myself a good laugh and just shake my head in utter amazement. Did the man have faults? Hell yes he did, but don't we all?

Appreciate Coach Cowher for his accomplishments as the HC of the team we all love, wish him well and move on. The Steelers have begun a new era under Coach Tomlin and his staff and thus far, it's looking like a darned good start. :thumbsup:

P.S. I'm waiting with baited breath for the anti-Tomlin thread and posts should, God forbid, the Steelers hit a skid. Who knows - I may need a good laugh then too. :sofunny:

OX1947
11-03-2007, 01:38 PM
I cant understand how much more Cowher could have done. The man never had a real QB until Big Ben and it took him 2 years after Ben came to win a title. If O'Donnell has one more come from behind victory in SB XXX, Cowher is sitting with 2 Super Bowls. If Kordell doesn't throw an INT in the 97 AFC championship game in the end zone, we may have gone to SD that year and beat the Packers. Sports sometimes is about the little things that cant be controlled. In 2001, we knocked out Brady, played great D and didnt make mistakes on O until our special teams blew it and then the pressure came on and KS threw 3 INTS.

There is only so much a coach can do. Belecrap wouldnt be where he is right now on 3 rings if it weren't for Brady. I don't care what a genius he is. Give Cowher Brady in 94 and 95, and more then likely the Steelers win those two bowls and who knows how many more after. The game is played by the players, talent wins, coaches can only tell you what you need to do, after that the players have to go out and do it.

RoethlisBURGHer
11-03-2007, 03:33 PM
My ONLY problem with Cowher is that he decided to retire right after SB XL but still showed up for the hed coach paycheck through all of 2006.

tony hipchest
11-03-2007, 04:44 PM
bunglefans badmouth the likes of coslett and schula. the brownies bemoan palmer and davis.

i look at any badmouthing of cowher as pretty much lightweight.


My ONLY problem with Cowher is that he decided to retire right after SB XL but still showed up for the hed coach paycheck through all of 2006. had he not done that, we woulda missed out on tomlin this year, who i think will prove to be one of the finest head coaches hired in the 21st century.

Steeler in Carolina
11-03-2007, 05:25 PM
Last year was a doomed year anyway. With Ben's wreck before the season, to his surgery in training camp. I don't fault Cowher for coming back after the SB. I will always think highly of him and wish him the best in the future.

steelegg
11-03-2007, 06:37 PM
i agree that last year had a lot more to do with ben's injury than cowher

Atlanta Dan
11-03-2007, 07:35 PM
Roger Angell, who is a writer for The New Yorker specializing in baseball, had a line about game 7 of the 1975 World Series, which followed the epic game 6 - "a very good play that opened the night after the opening night of King Lear."

Most franchises would regard 6 AFC championship appearances, 2 Super Bowl appearances and a Super Bowl ring in 15 years as the pinnacle of the franchise's history - it is Cowher's fortune that he happened to be the coach for a franchise that once won 4 Super Bowls in 6 seasons.

He was a very good coach who approached but did not achieve greatness (4 losses in 5 home AFC championship games:dang:) - certainly no shame in that

Black@Gold Forever32
11-03-2007, 07:40 PM
No shame in that at all....But the Bill Cowher era to me was bitter sweet....I very much like Bill Cowher and still do....But it was time for a change and I was ready and happy with the change.....

It wasn't all his fault also for his less then stellar record in AFC title games...But still coaching has to take part of the blame.......

Now Bill takes no blame for the Super Bowl XXX loss....Thats all on Neil....lol Freaking rat....lol

Black@Gold Forever32
11-03-2007, 07:43 PM
I'm the type of person who appreciates every contribution made by those who currently wear or formerly wore the black and gold - no matter how much I may like or dislike them (Kordumbell is a prime example).

Having lived in the Burgh all but 2 years of my life, I've become quite accustomed to the breed of "what have you done for me lately" Steelers "fans". I hate to segregate here, but I see this attitude more in the younger crowd than those of us who experienced the highs of the 70's and the lows of the 80's. That being said, I have nothing negative to say about Bill Cowher - he is a legendary Steelers coach and future HOF'er who came here and made a huge difference. He gave us far more good seasons than bad and motivated a 2005 team that was "left for dead", taking them all the way to and winning SB XL. His accomplishments in 15 years as our HC speak for themselves. When I see an anti-Cowher post, I have myself a good laugh and just shake my head in utter amazement. Did the man have faults? Hell yes he did, but don't we all?

Appreciate Coach Cowher for his accomplishments as the HC of the team we all love, wish him well and move on. The Steelers have begun a new era under Coach Tomlin and his staff and thus far, it's looking like a darned good start. :thumbsup:

P.S. I'm waiting with baited breath for the anti-Tomlin thread and posts should, God forbid, the Steelers hit a skid. Who knows - I may need a good laugh then too. :sofunny:

I wanted to follow up on the younger generation of Steelers fans that Hometown mentions...I think she is exactly right......Growing up a Steelers fan my whole life I heard all about the great Steel Curtain teams from my family and so wanted to experience at least one Super Bowl win...Thats why until Super Bowl XL I was really getting tired of seeing Cowher led teams fall short...lol But I can die happy that at least I saw one Super Bowl title......I hope its not the last though.....:thumbsup:

Dynasty
11-03-2007, 07:51 PM
I hate to segregate here, but I see this attitude more in the younger crowd than those of us who experienced the highs of the 70's and the lows of the 80's.

I really dislike that stereotype of younger steelers fans. I wasn't alive for the 70's, 80's, and even for some of the 90's, but when have you heard me talk down about the steelers... i think the same applies for some of the other younger guys around here... its only a few bandwagoners who give a whole generation of fans a bad name.. Especially because the good fans are more notable than the bad ones.

NV STEELERS 723
11-03-2007, 07:58 PM
I know for fact in SF I have never said a negative word about BC..... I like most here did not want him to leave...I had a lump in my stomach all day during his last press conference...

I'm one of those people that don't like alot of change...I'm conservative....

BC was a great coach...loved his fire....even if the Burgh Beat writers hated him

rbryan
11-03-2007, 08:59 PM
Change is good when it comes to coaching. 10 -12 years is the max IMO before the story just gets too old. I think BC is a casuality of that. I loved Cowher but he stayed one year too long. Still better than Noll who overstayed by 10 years. Remember the 80's?? Kind of a blurr for me. We had an "all time" guard named Tunch??.................. lol, I remember Tunch, its the "all time" part I'm a bit foggy on.

Stlrs4Life
11-03-2007, 11:23 PM
My ONLY problem with Cowher is that he decided to retire right after SB XL but still showed up for the hed coach paycheck through all of 2006.


Same here. I always liked Cowher till then. Judgement is still out there on him if ya ask me. If he takes a HC job next season outside of the Carolina Panthers, then Cowher is nothing but a liar. But I appreciate every year he was with us minus 2006.

MasterOfPuppets
11-04-2007, 01:29 AM
my problem with cowher ,was kordell stewart !!! why he stuck with that P.O.S. for that long is beyond me...it was quite obvious for many years that QB was the missing piece of the puzzle, but yet year after year , we watched that dung pile throw our season into defenders hands !!!! :banging:

Elvis
11-04-2007, 06:34 AM
How many games did Mr. Cowher win in Pittsburgh?
Now.....
How many wins have the Detroit Lions or Cleveland Browns have in the time of Cowhers' era here in Pittsburgh?
I loved Cowher and I hated to see him go,
but it seems as if the Rooney's have
found a nice successor
in Tomlin
:tt02:

Galax Steeler
11-04-2007, 06:58 AM
my problem with cowher ,was kordell stewart !!! why he stuck with that P.O.S. for that long is beyond me...it was quite obvious for many years that QB was the missing piece of the puzzle, but yet year after year , we watched that dung pile throw our season into defenders hands !!!! :banging:

You know something was up when he kissed kordell in that one game.:jawdrop:

GBMelBlount
11-04-2007, 07:14 AM
Most franchises would regard 6 AFC championship appearances, 2 Super Bowl appearances and a Super Bowl ring in 15 years as the pinnacle of the franchise's history......He was a very good coach who approached but did not achieve greatness (4 losses in 5 home AFC championship games) - certainly no shame in that

I would also be willing to bet his overall W-L record during his tenure is right at the top for that time period.

But IMO he didn't seem to get as fired up last year.

DACEB
11-04-2007, 12:43 PM
Bill Cowher did great things for the Steelers organization.

Bill Cowher
Marty Shottenheimer
Two great HOF coaches, that have alot in common.

Preacher
11-04-2007, 02:19 PM
I loved cowher as a coach...

Every man has his short-comings. We could sit here and list them off... my top one would be the leash he put on the Defense and offensive coordinators. Take that leash off, and we may have been to a few more SB's.

However, take that leash off, and we may have not made the playoffs.

You always have to weigh the total of the coach or player... and when Cowher is weighed on such a scale... He comes out as an excellent coach for Pittsburgh. I am comfortable just leaving it there.

Welcome To Smashmouth
11-04-2007, 05:18 PM
He did big things for the City of Pittsburgh....badmouthing a coach of that caliber should be credited to nothing otherthan pure jealousy :P

silver2000svt
11-05-2007, 05:48 AM
It doesn't matter if Bill took the year off emotionally or not... Every single one of us here would have traded missing the playoffs in 2006 to win the XL... So what if he didn't go out with a bang... The man IS the City of Pittsburgh

HometownGal
11-05-2007, 08:46 AM
I really dislike that stereotype of younger steelers fans. I wasn't alive for the 70's, 80's, and even for some of the 90's, but when have you heard me talk down about the steelers... i think the same applies for some of the other younger guys around here... its only a few bandwagoners who give a whole generation of fans a bad name.. Especially because the good fans are more notable than the bad ones.

Sorry, Dynasty, but that's just the way I've seen it for the past 10 years or so around the Burgh. When I've read some of the post-game comments around here after the Steelers losses (both last season and this season) and see all of the brutally negative comments that kind of come from nowhere, it isn't hard to ascertain the age of the members who crafted them. I'm sorry if you took this personally, as my comments were certainly not directed at you. I have heard my comments echoed by others over the years, so I know I'm not alone in my opinion.

X-Terminator
11-05-2007, 10:16 AM
Sorry, Dynasty, but that's just the way I've seen it for the past 10 years or so around the Burgh. When I've read some of the post-game comments around here after the Steelers losses (both last season and this season) and see all of the brutally negative comments that kind of come from nowhere, it isn't hard to ascertain the age of the members who crafted them. I'm sorry if you took this personally, as my comments were certainly not directed at you. I have heard my comments echoed by others over the years, so I know I'm not alone in my opinion.

No you aren't alone - I certainly feel the same way. The majority of the younger crowd are just front-runners - they just want something to be able to talk smack about. But when they lose, they're nowhere to be found, or they only show up to bash the team. And it doesn't just happen with the Steelers, but with the Pens as well. I can't tell you how many young fans you see going to games now that were nowhere to be found before late January and the 4 seasons prior. Sorry, if you're going to be a fan of a team, you have to be there during the good times as well as the bad. There is no middle ground.

BlastFurnace
11-05-2007, 10:41 AM
He gave us a chance to win it all in 10 out of his 15 years and was close to making the playoffs in 2000 and 2006.

Yes, he drove me crazy sometimes, but he was a great coach for us. That's why..if he chooses...he will be making $8 million a year in the next couple of years.

My prediction...he will be the Carolina Panthers HC within 2 years.

augustashark
11-05-2007, 04:05 PM
my problem with cowher ,was kordell stewart !!! why he stuck with that P.O.S. for that long is beyond me...it was quite obvious for many years that QB was the missing piece of the puzzle, but yet year after year , we watched that dung pile throw our season into defenders hands !!!! :banging:

Two words: Tom Donahoe.

I really feel that he more then Cowher was to blame for the Kordell Stewart project. Not to say Cowher has no blame, but Donahoe was a terrible DOO. He went to Buffalo and they had 5 straight losing seasons. Speaks alot for how he ran a franchise.