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Hammer67
11-06-2007, 06:23 AM
Anyone know why Lambert was missing from last night's game? I know he informed the Steelers he wasn't attending but anyone know the scoop?

Atlanta Dan
11-06-2007, 07:06 AM
P-G just says he has become "somewhat reclusive" although my understanding is he still does signing shows for the right price - hope an appearance fee was not the issue

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07310/831513-66.stm

Lambert also was listed to be one of the ex-Steelers speaking in the 1975 Steelers "America's Game" but did not appear on the broadcast - since he was named as a commentataor I wonder if his comments were simply left out or $$ were an issue - Bradshaw also did not appear on any of the 4 America's Game videos for the 70s Steelers.

I am not one of those who thinks he "owes it to the fans" but IMO he did owe it to Dan Rooney and the memory of The Chief. Does not detract from his legend but it is unsettling that something kept him away.

People grow distant from those with whom they were once close - I am glad to see Bradshaw buried whatever irked him over the years & seemed to be having a great time last night. As Brad said, those days were a long time ago and I cannot see when those greats will have an occassion to be together again - Lambert may regret it at some point but for some people nothing is sadder than the 2 words "remember when."

BlastFurnace
11-06-2007, 09:36 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/steelers/blogngold/

In Ed Bouchette's blog, he mentions that money may have been an issue with Jack not appearing. It's sad that it comes down to this. My first game I ever saw of the Steelers was Super Bowl X. Jack Lambert....after he slammed Cliff Harris to the ground in SB 10...was one of the players from that game that made me love this team.

Bradshaw changed...maybe Lambert will too.

Virginia Steeler
11-06-2007, 09:42 AM
Bradshaw used to have severe social anxiety problems...he is ok now, did not come back to Pittsburgh for years....

Stlrs4Life
11-06-2007, 10:00 AM
I know I was disappointed that he wasn't there. I normally don't sit in my seats at half time. I did this time to see him. He was at the last game at 3 Rivers.

CanadianSteel
11-06-2007, 10:10 AM
Yes truly dissapointed by Lamberst absense, specially considering his hall of fame speech. I can respect the fact he wants to remain private but this was a moment for the fans as well. Hope it's not true that he shows up for memorabilia signings for $$ but did not come to accept his honour as one of the Steeler greats of all time.

Possible he had a valid reason, never know, but I was dissapointed for sure...

Atlanta Dan
11-06-2007, 10:21 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/steelers/blogngold/

In Ed Bouchette's blog, he mentions that money may have been an issue with Jack not appearing. It's sad that it comes down to this. My first game I ever saw of the Steelers was Super Bowl X. Jack Lambert....after he slammed Cliff Harris to the ground in SB 10...was one of the players from that game that made me love this team.

Bradshaw changed...maybe Lambert will too.

Thanks for the link - I was afraid it might be about $$$. Woodson, Lloyd & Anderson apparently had bitter money differences with the Steelers but they showed up.

Interesting the reference to $$ only made it into the online Blog n' Gold by Ed.B. but not his story on Lambert's absence to which I linked that apparently made it into the dead trees version of the P-G.

OneForTheToe
11-06-2007, 01:33 PM
I agree .... maybe Lambert will come around. If I remember, Bradshaw didn?t even return for "The Chief's." funeral, so it happens. I can't remember where I read this last night but someone noted that all great teams seem to have one player who sort of pulls this recluse persona regarding his old team and teammates. Anyhow, I hope Jack comes around, but he is still the best.

Also, I hope he realizes what he is missing. I got this from the ESPN blog regarding TB:




Just had a nice visit with former Steelers quarterback Terry Bradshaw after he wrapped up an interview with the MNF crew. He's never spent a lot of time in Pittsburgh since his career ended, but he said there's no real reason for that.

"I've just never been a guy that lives in the past," he said. "But coming back here reminds me why guys do that. It gives you a chance to sit around and tell stories, a lot which I've never heard."

Until this afternoon, Bradshaw said he never knew Mean Joe Greene raced down the sideline with running back Franco Harris during the Immaculate Reception. He also said it was news to him that receiver John Stallworth secretly went to coach Chuck Noll to complain that Bradshaw wasn't throwing him the ball enough.

When I asked him what year that was, he said, "Yesterday!"

Bradshaw, who lives in Dallas and works in Los Angeles a lot, said seeing his former teammates makes him want to return to Pittsburgh more. He'll return next year for Mel Blount's charity event.

We also talked about why Jack Lambert became such a recluse.

"I have no clue why Jack's like that," Bradshaw said. "He was always a little different, but it was a good different. I don't understand why he wouldn't come back. I know I haven't talked to him in years."

OX1947
11-06-2007, 05:59 PM
I would prefer to hear from Lambert himself. He did come to the last one they had. I'll be honest with you, the main relief of the Steelers winning in 2005 was not having to hear about the 70's. Maybe he is tired of it too. How many come back tours does the old team have to have. I understand every 20-25 years but I think they have had 3 or 4 of these the last 15 years and may have been too redundant for Lambert...

Atlanta Dan
11-06-2007, 06:15 PM
I would prefer to hear from Lambert himself. He did come to the last one they had. I'll be honest with you, the main relief of the Steelers winning in 2005 was not having to hear about the 70's. Maybe he is tired of it too. How many come back tours does the old team have to have. I understand every 20-25 years but I think they have had 3 or 4 of these the last 15 years and may have been too redundant for Lambert...

Not according to the online chat today by Ed.B. of the P-G, who presumably has a source within the organization that has indicated it came down to the appearance fee:

Ed Bouchette: I think Lambert stayed away because he wants more. What that more is, I'm not sure, but it's not more adoration by the fans, that's for sure.

Terrible_Trousers: Big Ed, I've heard Lambert described as a very private individual before, would you guess that was the reason he was not in attendance last night, that he really just doesn't want to be in the spotlight anymore?

Ed Bouchette: No.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07310/831568-66.stm

Sounds like the only way we will hear from Lambert is if we pay to hear him. He owes the fans nothing - his teammates, the Rooneys, and the game are another matter.

This was not yet another salute to the 70s (and I agree it is good to have something else to celebrate) but to the history of the franchise - if Lambert stayed away because he thinks his time has passed that is admirable - if he wants a payday that is a different matter for someone who certainly did not indicate $$ were what motivated him in his HOF induction speech. Times change and so do people, not always for the better.

SEMP
11-06-2007, 07:58 PM
Hey if he wants to earn a little money so what. The guy does not owe the team, his teammates, or the fans anything. Do any of you feel like you owe your current or former employers something ? If so you probably need to get of your a&& more and earn more of that check. With the ridculous money involved in what is the buisness we call the NFL I don't blame by-gone era players one bit for wanting to wet thier beak.

revefsreleets
11-07-2007, 08:59 AM
He was a training camp back in '05. I saw him there with Green. And I know Bradshaw skipped something because of money last year or the year before.

I just don't get the whole money thing. I'm not wired that way.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-07-2007, 09:22 AM
As a HUGE Jack Lambert fan I wanted to just throw in my two cents on this discussion.

Jack has always been a maverick. He comes across as very unorthodox in his mannerisms because he RARELY reacted int the usual way that people would think that he should.

Simply put..... If Jack woke up that morning made himself a cup of coffee, picked up the paper and saw that it was supposed to rain....He would be in character for him to put the paper down and say "F**k that".

steelegg
11-07-2007, 01:45 PM
im not upset so much at the fact of not showing up to receive the adoration of the fans and so on, but you would think he would enjoy getting together again with his old teammates that he spent so many great years with when it is so rare that they are all able to come together like that, as many of them have said

HometownGal
11-07-2007, 03:38 PM
http://www.post-gazette.com/steelers/blogngold/

In Ed Bouchette's blog, he mentions that money may have been an issue with Jack not appearing. It's sad that it comes down to this. My first game I ever saw of the Steelers was Super Bowl X. Jack Lambert....after he slammed Cliff Harris to the ground in SB 10...was one of the players from that game that made me love this team.

Bradshaw changed...maybe Lambert will too.

Money should not have been an issue with Lambert - he owes the Rooneys and his former teammates the respect of showing up to celebrate the Steelers 75th Anniversary, years of glory which he shared with and contributed to while wearing the black and gold. I love Lambert, but if Bouchette is right, my respect level for Lambert has taken a little bit of a hit.

LambertIsGod58
11-07-2007, 05:17 PM
First I am biased here...I'm a HUGE Lambert fan. So with that, find it hard to believe that money was the issue. I still have yet to hear from a credible source that was the case. I've met Lambert many times...most recently as two weeks ago in Harrisburg. My wife and I made it to the mall late...his ending time of 3pm came and went. It was about 3:40. I see that the gate is closed. I'm wearing my Lambert throwback jersey as is my 3yr old son. Not only did Jack come back out to sign my jersey. He did so without acting like I was an intrusion. He added the FIVE inscriptions, which I may add he doesn't do, for free. He asked if we wanted my son's picture taken with him. Once again FREE. He didn't have to. He gets paid a flat fee. The only people that made money on that was the dealer. And if money was the issue...SO WHAT!! He played his ass of for this franchise...and was compensated for it. IMO he owes the Steelers nothing. Why aren't we talking about what the Steelers did or did not do for Mike Webster? He wasn't there....HIS CHOICE!!! I know Lambert does alot for charity, so let not act like he's some piece of shit for not showing up for yet another Steelers reunion-like event!

jjpro11
11-07-2007, 05:40 PM
First I am biased here...I'm a HUGE Lambert fan. So with that, find it hard to believe that money was the issue. I still have yet to hear from a credible source that was the case. I've met Lambert many times...most recently as two weeks ago in Harrisburg. My wife and I made it to the mall late...his ending time of 3pm came and went. It was about 3:40. I see that the gate is closed. I'm wearing my Lambert throwback jersey as is my 3yr old son. Not only did Jack come back out to sign my jersey. He did so without acting like I was an intrusion. He added the FIVE inscriptions, which I may add he doesn't do, for free. He asked if we wanted my son's picture taken with him. Once again FREE. He didn't have to. He gets paid a flat fee. The only people that made money on that was the dealer. And if money was the issue...SO WHAT!! He played his ass of for this franchise...and was compensated for it. IMO he owes the Steelers nothing. Why aren't we talking about what the Steelers did or did not do for Mike Webster? He wasn't there....HIS CHOICE!!! I know Lambert does alot for charity, so let not act like he's some piece of shit for not showing up for yet another Steelers reunion-like event!

i have a lambert jersey i would like to get signed.. i have never paid for an autograph in person like that.. but the jersey is so nice and lambert was so special, that he may be the only exception.

BlastFurnace
11-07-2007, 06:05 PM
First I am biased here...I'm a HUGE Lambert fan. So with that, find it hard to believe that money was the issue. I still have yet to hear from a credible source that was the case. I've met Lambert many times...most recently as two weeks ago in Harrisburg. My wife and I made it to the mall late...his ending time of 3pm came and went. It was about 3:40. I see that the gate is closed. I'm wearing my Lambert throwback jersey as is my 3yr old son. Not only did Jack come back out to sign my jersey. He did so without acting like I was an intrusion. He added the FIVE inscriptions, which I may add he doesn't do, for free. He asked if we wanted my son's picture taken with him. Once again FREE. He didn't have to. He gets paid a flat fee. The only people that made money on that was the dealer. And if money was the issue...SO WHAT!! He played his ass of for this franchise...and was compensated for it. IMO he owes the Steelers nothing. Why aren't we talking about what the Steelers did or did not do for Mike Webster? He wasn't there....HIS CHOICE!!! I know Lambert does alot for charity, so let not act like he's some piece of shit for not showing up for yet another Steelers reunion-like event!

I agree with all your points except for the Webster comment. It is well documented that the Rooney's and former players really tried to help Mike out.

I love your story about Jack. It's great to hear former players going beyond the norm to do something for fans of theirs.

His not appearing Monday night does not lessen my opinion of him at all. I'm just a fan that would have liked to have seen him with the other Steeler greats.

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-09-2007, 09:06 AM
If I had to put my trust in either Bouchette or Lambert.....???? I will have to believe in Lamberts character.

Bouchette will never be to journalism what Lambert was to football.

'nuff said

LambertIsGod58
11-09-2007, 07:21 PM
If I had to put my trust in either Bouchette or Lambert.....???? I will have to believe in Lamberts character.

Bouchette will never be to journalism what Lambert was to football.

'nuff said

I can't agree with this enough!!!!!! I don't think we'll see another Lambert in our lifetime.

Rhee Rhee
11-10-2007, 12:00 PM
i hope he isnt another joe montana i think it was? in superbowl XL he didnt show up just cause he wanted money... that just shows selfishness...

Atlanta Dan
11-11-2007, 07:05 AM
Follow-up statement by Ed.B. of the P-G on Lambert MIA

Humble Lambert ignores Steelers because he can

Speaking of tough guys, it's Jack Lambert's right to boycott all kinds of Steelers reunions, events and 75th season anniversary get-togethers. He's not cheating the fans because he does not owe them anything.

Lambert was paid to do a job in the 1970s and early 1980s and he did it well. The Steelers compensated him for it. If he wants to be done with them, that's his prerogative.

Not all athletes enjoy the stage, especially 20 and 30 years later. Some just want to be left alone and go about their lives. Some, believe it or not, don't enjoy get-togethers with their old teammates just as many people don't attend their high school reunions.

Dan Rooney would have loved to have seen Lambert turn out for Monday's game. Other than Lambert and Joey Porter, who plays in Miami now, every other living member of the 33-man all-time team was there. Terry Bradshaw flew in from California. Rod Woodson, Greg Lloyd and Gary Anderson all turned out even though their days with the Steelers ended bitterly. Woodson even spoke at the gala event Sunday night at the convention center about how proud he was to have played for the Steelers.

Lambert once said he felt that way too, when he gave his Hall of Fame speech. He may still feel that way, he just made it obvious last weekend that he wants nothing more to do with them. Of course, that then can go both ways.


http://www.postgazette.com/pg/07315/832948-66.stm

Yep

stillers4me
11-11-2007, 07:38 AM
I think the last sentence of this article says it all............ the while we, as fans, would have loved to have seen him there, he has other priorities.

Jack Lambert rarely returns to the city, save for a handful of lucrative autograph-signing sessions each year. He wasn't available for an interview Thursday, but the conclusion of his Hall of Fame acceptance speech on Aug. 4, 1990, spoke eloquently to his priority in retirement.

"I would like my wife, Lisa, and my daughters to stand (his sons were not yet born)," Jack Lambert said. "There, ladies and gentlemen, is my Hall of Fame."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com:8000/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/highschool/info/s_320046.html

stillers4me
11-11-2007, 07:46 AM
Here is entire HOF acceptance speech. Anyone who has any doubt about his appreciation of the Steelers organization, the city of Pittsburgh and Steelers fans, can clearly see that he is grateful. And his family and personal life takes precedance over his time as a professional football player. That's his choice and I respect that.


Acceptance Speech
By Jack Lambert


"Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, let's get this done.

"It goes without saying that to be inducted in the Pro Football Hall of Fame is the ultimate honor that a football player can receive. It should also go without saying that one does not come to stand on these steps without the guidance, the direction, and the support of others.

"In the short time that I am allotted today, I would like to start with my mother, Joyce. When I was growing up, [she was] my biggest fan and supporter. I can't even remember playing in an athletic event that my mother did not attend. I can still see my mom late at night after a football game, scrubbing and soaking the grass stains out of my pretty white football pants. Mom thought it was very important that her son have the whitest pants on the field. Thank you, Mom, for all those special little things you did for me that I will never forget.

"My father, Jack... I get my athletic ability and temperment from my father's side of the family. Most of the time we spent together was throwing a baseball back and forth or playing tackle football. Back before the days of NFL properties, my dad enjoyed buying football helmets and painting them the colors of NFL teams. The helmet he chose to paint for his son at that time was the Pittsburgh Steeler helmet. Thank you, dad.

"Looking back to my days of playing football, my teammates and I won a championship in high school, college, and the pros. In order to do that you must have exceptional talent. But you must also have great coaching. Throughout my entire football career, I was truly blessed with that. My high school head coach was Gerry Meyers. I went up to ask coach if I could wear the #00. He said, 'Jack, that is a very special number... if you want #00, you have to be a very special player.' And then he asked me if I had what it took, and I couldn't answer that then, but I think I've answered that today. Thank you, Coach Meyers.

"My head coach in college was Don James, the only Kent State coach to win a Mid-American championship, and his record and the success he is still enjoying today out in Washington speaks for itself. Thank you, Coach James. And of course, Chuck Noll, who will one day be standing here on these very same steps to join coach Landry and so many great coaches before him.

"And with all these fine head coaches, there was always one very special assistant coach that for some reason or other took me under his wing and always, always spent the extra time with me that was needed. In high school, it was Dean Ishieda; Dean is here today. Thank you for coming. In college, it was Dennis Fitzgerald and in the pros, it was Bob Widenhofer, who is now with the Detroit Lions. I could have chosen any one of these men to be my presenter today, because they were all so instrumental in my success. But I chose Coach Fitzgerald because I thought he, more than anyone else, taught me the techniques and the fundamentals I used throughout college and professional football. But maybe more importantly, he took a raw talent and raw toughness in me and refined it into a mental discipline -- a discipline that is necessary to excel. Thank you, coach Fitzgerald.

"I would also like to thank the NFL, an organization that enabled me to realize a boyhood dream, an organization that afforded me an opportunity to travel to Europe and Southeast Asia on USO tours with my good friend Billy Granholm, an origanization that has given me many cherished memories and friendships. On the day I retired from pro ball, I made this statement; 'There is not an owner, or a team, or a coaching staff, or people in a city that I would rather have played for in the entire world.' The kindness that Arthur J. Rooney and his family have shown me over the years -- and the kindness that the people of Pittsburgh have shown me over the years -- are the kindnesses that I can never repay. Five years later, I appreciate and stand by these words even more.

"How fortunate I was to play for Art Rooney and his family. How fortunate to be associated with the entire organization. The front office, the coaching staff, the medical staff -- Dr. Best, Dr. Huber, Dr. Steele, the trainers headed by Ralph Berlin and Ralph Miley -- who did their best to stitch me up and piece me together for 11 years. And the most important people in the organization: the locker room and equipment men, Jackie Hart, Tony Parisi, Rodgers Freyvogel, Frankie and Mike.

"I was so fortunate to have played on some of the greatest teams of all time and arguably the greatest defense ever assembled. And finally, how fortunate I was to play for the Pittsburgh fans... a proud and hard-working people who love their football and their players. If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player, and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler!

"To my family, to my friends, to all my teammates from Crestwood and Kent State, to all of you fans out there who will never be in any Hall of Fame, at the risk of sounding a bit pretentious, I give this day to you. This day is your Hall of Fame. I would like my wife, Lisa, and my daughters to stand. There, ladies and gentlemen, is my Hall of Fame. Thank you. God bless."

#1LambertFan
12-04-2007, 05:09 PM
Lambert is a very private man and probably doesnt wan't all the publicity.

stlrtruck
12-04-2007, 05:20 PM
From what I've read in articles, Lambert has been as dedicated to his family (and private life for that matter) as he was to the Steelers during his glory years!

I say, "Lambert, we Steelers Nation Love You, but now it's time for you to enjoy your life."

geo123
12-04-2007, 10:52 PM
I think we can all understand and respect his wishes of privacey. On the other hand it was only one day to reunite with other members for the fans enjoyment.
But I gues thats just Jack!

Steel Pit
12-05-2007, 01:50 AM
A quote from one of Terry Bradshaw's books.

" I always wanted to know Jack Lambert personally, wanted to be his friend, but you didn't pick Lambert as a friend-he picked you. For whatever reason, Lambert didn't choose to be my friend. He's the one Steeler I never understood and he remains a mystery to this day. So I observed him from afar, respected him, and admired him."