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Borski
11-08-2007, 09:13 PM
Looks like we made the right choices

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3098817

Dynasty
11-08-2007, 10:59 PM
oh yeah i read that in school today when i was supposed to be doing work... im pretty sure we were either the only team, or one of like 3 that nailed both picks

Steeldude
01-10-2008, 09:36 PM
Looks like we made the right choices

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3098817

woodley has barely played. the jury is still out.

timmons has played even less than woodley.

how are they the right choices?

paw-n-maul-u
01-11-2008, 01:24 AM
I guess you didn't read the article? I don't think most steeler fans really appreciate how complicated LeBeaus defense can be to learn.

Woodley was basically a four year starter and he picked up on it right away.
Timmons can barely drink, he might take a year longer.

Woodley pretty muched played haggans out of Pitt.
Timmons was a ST monster, and if you REALLY knew how much of an athletic freak this guy was, and how much talent is there, you would hold your tongue atleast a little while longer. He's gonna be fine. Not many LB's fail in the steelers system. (minus alonzo jackson, also from FSU, but that doesnt mean shit either)

Preacher
01-11-2008, 02:05 AM
woodley has barely played. the jury is still out.

timmons has played even less than woodley.

how are they the right choices?

I'm sorry...

But I just have to ask.

Is there ANYTHING about the Steelers that you have EVER been positive about... unless they win it all in an undefeated season by 20 points every game?

Rhee Rhee
01-11-2008, 02:28 AM
woodley has barely played. the jury is still out.

timmons has played even less than woodley.

how are they the right choices?

come on bro woodley was a steal in the second... with 2 sacks in the jaxnville game.. it was impressive... if u dont see a shawne merrimen type player down the road idk what ur looking at... timmons fine... he's barely played but he force a fumble on special teams..

be positive... next season we could be great!

Galax Steeler
01-11-2008, 05:17 AM
woodley is going to be something to contend with for a while he comes off the corner like a rat on acid.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
01-11-2008, 10:52 AM
If the draft where to play out as ESPN says than in hindsight we should have grabbed Tony Ugoh in the first round. At least then our o-line wouldn't be in shambles going into this draft.

Steeldude
01-11-2008, 11:33 AM
I'm sorry...

But I just have to ask.

Is there ANYTHING about the Steelers that you have EVER been positive about... unless they win it all in an undefeated season by 20 points every game?

sorry, but i can't be a lemming. i can only be a realist. nothing has been shown to suggest that woodley or timmons were the right choices. just as there is nothing to show that they were the wrong choices. of course you only focus on the negative. good job :thumbsup:

i will leave the dreams of an undefeated season and 20 point victories in every game to others. i would rather be logical and realistic.

Steeldude
01-11-2008, 11:41 AM
come on bro woodley was a steal in the second... with 2 sacks in the jaxnville game.. it was impressive... if u dont see a shawne merrimen type player down the road idk what ur looking at... timmons fine... he's barely played but he force a fumble on special teams..

be positive... next season we could be great!

i hope he turns out to be a great player for the steelers. the sacks in the jags game were nothing special when you look at them. they are hardly a measuring stick for determining his future career in the NFL. i will wait for him to have at least a season under his belt before labeling him the right or wrong choice.

one game does not make a player. that's the mentality that the raiders use ala desmond howard, larry brown...

Preacher
01-11-2008, 02:42 PM
sorry, but i can't be a lemming. i can only be a realist. nothing has been shown to suggest that woodley or timmons were the right choices. just as there is nothing to show that they were the wrong choices. of course you only focus on the negative. good job :thumbsup:

i will leave the dreams of an undefeated season and 20 point victories in every game to others. i would rather be logical and realistic.

There is a distinct difference between logical and realistic on one side, and negative on the other. I believe I am logical and realistic.

Logical and realistic says

Postive: Woodley played real well when given the chance. He put pressure on the QB, caused disruption, executed fundamentals well. Especially for a rookie. he showed that in the end, he has play making, even possibly game changing ability.
Negative: Woodley only played a short time, and has yet to prove he can keep that motor running for the entire season. Also, he has only been in with limited situations for the most part, so it remains to be seen if he can pick up the entire defensive play book and execute.


When you only post the second paragraph... that is being negative, which is what I only seen from you for the most part. That is why I ask. I don't know if you just assume that we all see the positives, and thus only discuss negatives, or if you only see the negatives and that is why you post negative most of the time.

MasterOfPuppets
01-11-2008, 08:18 PM
sorry, but i can't be a lemming. i can only be a realist. nothing has been shown to suggest that woodley or timmons were the right choices. just as there is nothing to show that they were the wrong choices. of course you only focus on the negative. good job :thumbsup:

i will leave the dreams of an undefeated season and 20 point victories in every game to others. i would rather be logical and realistic.so 6 sacks ,in a very limited amount of playing time shows you nothing ?

Steeldude
01-11-2008, 10:47 PM
There is a distinct difference between logical and realistic on one side, and negative on the other. I believe I am logical and realistic.

Logical and realistic says

Postive: Woodley played real well when given the chance. He put pressure on the QB, caused disruption, executed fundamentals well. Especially for a rookie. he showed that in the end, he has play making, even possibly game changing ability.
Negative: Woodley only played a short time, and has yet to prove he can keep that motor running for the entire season. Also, he has only been in with limited situations for the most part, so it remains to be seen if he can pick up the entire defensive play book and execute.


When you only post the second paragraph... that is being negative, which is what I only seen from you for the most part. That is why I ask. I don't know if you just assume that we all see the positives, and thus only discuss negatives, or if you only see the negatives and that is why you post negative most of the time.

because posting the first paragraph would be irrelevant since the first poster already said he was the right choice. i don't crown someone great, good or the right choice until they prove it with consistency.

sorry i can't be a homer :smile: perhaps later i will revise my post with nothing but praise and fantastic predictions of godhood.

Steeldude
01-11-2008, 10:57 PM
so 6 sacks ,in a very limited amount of playing time shows you nothing ?


take a look at the sacks. most of them were gildonesque. i am not taking the sacks away, but a handful of gimme sacks is not going to show whether he is going to be good or bad.

i remember fans being fooled by kordell in 97 because he had some highlights. i was never fooled by the WR. most of his passes were caught because of the receiver making outstanding and/or acrobatic catches.

the plus is he appears to be stronger than haggans or gildon ala green, but hopefully better pass cover skills. i am all for giving him the starting position. it's his to lose, IMO. i would also like to see timmons make a push for foote's job.

MasterOfPuppets
01-12-2008, 02:56 AM
take a look at the sacks. most of them were gildonesque. i am not taking the sacks away, but a handful of gimme sacks is not going to show whether he is going to be good or bad.

i remember fans being fooled by kordell in 97 because he had some highlights. i was never fooled by the WR. most of his passes were caught because of the receiver making outstanding and/or acrobatic catches.

the plus is he appears to be stronger than haggans or gildon ala green, but hopefully better pass cover skills. i am all for giving him the starting position. it's his to lose, IMO. i would also like to see timmons make a push for foote's job.ok...first of all i don't know what "gildonesque" means....second, those garbage sacks..4 of them came in games we LOST,....if those "garbage sacks" are so easy to come by,then why does haggens,who's played about 75 % more than woodley only have 4?

Preacher
01-12-2008, 03:58 AM
ok...first of all i don't know what "gildonesque" means....second, those garbage sacks..4 of them came in games we LOST,....if those "garbage sacks" are so easy to come by,then why does haggens,who's played about 75 % more than woodley only have 4?

Gildonesqe...

As in, Jason Gildon. I would LOVE it if he turned out like that.

Steeldude
01-12-2008, 06:56 AM
ok...first of all i don't know what "gildonesque" means....second, those garbage sacks..4 of them came in games we LOST,....if those "garbage sacks" are so easy to come by,then why does haggens,who's played about 75 % more than woodley only have 4?

gildonesque refers to sacks that come via unblocked or blocked by a RB. pretty much gildon's entire career. the one-move wonder. it's what porter turned into before being let go.

i never mentioned haggans. haggans is done. he was just an average LB in a LB friendly scheme. the steelers need good to great LBs to make the 3-4 zone-blitz scheme work correctly.

perhaps woodley will be good or even great, but for now i will wait.

Steeldude
01-12-2008, 06:59 AM
Gildonesqe...

As in, Jason Gildon. I would LOVE it if he turned out like that.

:jawdrop: i don't want to see another one-move LB who can't cover.

MasterOfPuppets
01-12-2008, 03:59 PM
gildonesque refers to sacks that come via unblocked or blocked by a RB. pretty much gildon's entire career. the one-move wonder. it's what porter turned into before being let go.

i never mentioned haggans. haggans is done. he was just an average LB in a LB friendly scheme. the steelers need good to great LBs to make the 3-4 zone-blitz scheme work correctly.

perhaps woodley will be good or even great, but for now i will wait.as long as woodley is an upgrade over haggens,which he appears to be , then i consider the pick a good one

Steeldude
01-12-2008, 07:03 PM
as long as woodley is an upgrade over haggens,which he appears to be , then i consider the pick a good one


good point.

i hope woodley will be a stronger and more agile version of kevin green.

Rhee Rhee
01-12-2008, 07:10 PM
i hope he turns out to be a great player for the steelers. the sacks in the jags game were nothing special when you look at them. they are hardly a measuring stick for determining his future career in the NFL. i will wait for him to have at least a season under his belt before labeling him the right or wrong choice.

one game does not make a player. that's the mentality that the raiders use ala desmond howard, larry brown...

i agree one game cannot be a measuring stick BUT on passing situations in a NUMBER of games... woodley has given heated pressure and has a couple of sacks to boot...

Preacher
01-12-2008, 07:15 PM
:jawdrop: i don't want to see another one-move LB who can't cover.

However, Gildon was able to play well within the system, and hit hard.

I believe we have a pretty decent cover guy in Timmons... at least what I saw in preseason.

Hoping against hope... (He will be franchised, and we don't pick up big players in FA) we get Dansby, and have an ENTIRELY NEW AND YOUNG LB CORP, Young safties, it give us the freedom to look for a couple young lineman, and we can be set at Defense for years to come.

Rhee Rhee
01-12-2008, 10:46 PM
However, Gildon was able to play well within the system, and hit hard.

I believe we have a pretty decent cover guy in Timmons... at least what I saw in preseason.

Hoping against hope... (He will be franchised, and we don't pick up big players in FA) we get Dansby, and have an ENTIRELY NEW AND YOUNG LB CORP, Young safties, it give us the freedom to look for a couple young lineman, and we can be set at Defense for years to come.

if only if only the rooneys would spend just a little more freely

Dylan
01-15-2008, 06:01 PM
Woodley= Stardom

BettisFan
03-23-2008, 07:29 PM
"The Steelers got a number of solid contributors from the 2007 draft. While none of them appear to have star-quality, they all have the ability to fill key roles.

First- and second-round linebackers Lawrence Timmons and LaMarr Woodley did not start, but they each showed glimpses of what they could be capable of in the future.

Timmons had 13 tackles in limited action and Woodley tallied four sacks in his limited playing time.

Matt Spaeth and William Gay, meanwhile, also made the most of their time on the field. Spaeth got five starts when the Steelers opened with two tight ends, and finished the season with three touchdown catches. His blocking was also notable. Gay had 19 tackles and two passes defensed and was a valuable nickleback.

The most productive of all the Steelers' draft choices was punter Daniel Sepulveda. It is rare that a punter gets drafted as high as the fourth round, but Sepulveda showed why he was with a solid rookie season. He finished tied for 11th in net punting average and was eighth in dropping punts inside the 20.

Cameron Stephenson is no longer with the team and Ryan McBean and Dallas Baker were stashed on the practice squad."

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jsessionid=8B1F39B9CF580A8CCED0E1BDAEA9868E? id=09000d5d8075bf1d&template=without-video&confirm=true

Black@Gold Forever32
03-24-2008, 01:34 AM
Woodley had 4 sacks in the regular season...Which he played very little since he missed time with injury also...Then Woodley had 2 sacks in the play-off game against the Jags...I don't know about you but 6 sacks counting the play-off game is damn good for a rookie especially learning LeBeau's D....I think he did just fine and he will get even better....Both Joey Porter and Jason Gildon only had 2 sacks their rookie years...They turned out alright for the Steelers....Gildon is the all time sack leader for the Steelers and Porter is 3rd or 4th on the all time list...Woodley will be the next OLB star in this 3-4 defense...As for Timmons, the move inside will be a blessing for him and we will hopefully see the potential he has this year.....

Galax Steeler
03-24-2008, 08:02 AM
Woodley had 4 sacks in the regular season...Which he played very little since he missed time with injury also...Then Woodley had 2 sacks in the play-off game against the Jags...I don't know about you but 6 sacks counting the play-off game is damn good for a rookie especially learning LeBeau's D....I think he did just fine and he will get even better....Both Joey Porter and Jason Gildon only had 2 sacks their rookie years...They turned out alright for the Steelers....Gildon is the all time sack leader for the Steelers and Porter is 3rd or 4th on the all time list...Woodley will be the next OLB star in this 3-4 defense...As for Timmons, the move inside will be a blessing for him and we will hopefully see the potential he has this year.....

Well said I see woodley being a stud for us this year and timmons also stepping up more this year.:thumbsup:

SteelersTilIDie
03-26-2008, 05:20 PM
woodley has barely played. the jury is still out.

timmons has played even less than woodley.

how are they the right choices?

We made all the right choices because if you visited the link, Todd McShay had us taking Timmons in the first and Woodley in the second in his mock, not because of how well they played last season.

MDSteel15
03-26-2008, 05:51 PM
Gildonesqe...

As in, Jason Gildon. I would LOVE it if he turned out like that.

Is it me or doesn't he have the all-time lead in sacks for the Steelers??? Yeah, he really sucked.... :banging:

MDSteel15
03-26-2008, 05:56 PM
We made all the right choices because if you visited the link, Todd McShay had us taking Timmons in the first and Woodley in the second in his mock, not because of how well they played last season.

Would have been better if he had us taking David Harris in the 1st and Woodley was perfect!