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Infamix
11-09-2007, 04:41 PM
needs to end. I love how analysts manipulate statistics so much. If I remember correctly, it used to be a lower number than 30.

But the point I wanted to make is, when Ben throws less than 30 times and we win, it's because we have a lead (that Ben contributes to) and it's a game of possession (running the ball, eating clock) in the second half. It's not like the coaches are not allowing him to throw...

The stat they should mention is how Ben is 3rd in the league, percentage wise, in converting on 3rd down situations. This shows that he can effectively convert those situations in the second half when we unsuccessfully run the ball on 1st and 2nd down.

It's never going to happen though, because the Steelers are not media-darlings so Ben doesn't deserve any credit. :banging:

Steelman16
11-09-2007, 04:45 PM
Yeah, I hope Ben throws for 40-50 390+yards and 4 TD's against the Pats in a few weeks.

steelermuzik
11-09-2007, 04:57 PM
"Yeah, I hope Ben throws for 40-50 390+yards and 4 TD's against the Pats in a few weeks.".....and wins!! :cheers:

tony hipchest
11-09-2007, 06:35 PM
needs to end. I love how analysts manipulate statistics so much. If I remember correctly, it used to be a lower number than 30.

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here, this may make you feel better (lots of fun to be had with stats):

ben averages 1 td for every 10 attempts.

in 1 more game, brady has 100 more pass attempts than ben.

if ben had the 100 more pass attempts he would have 30 td's and be well on his way to breaking marino and mannings td records (without the help of moss, welker, or stallworth.)

put ben on the patriots and moss would no longer have to fight for every deep ball.

the "30 pass" stat is as bogus as the "willie rushing against great defenses" stat.

theyre bogus stats that are only ever applied to steelers players in discussions. you never hear those discussions with LJ or LT, just like people dont dissect every qb's stats when asked to throw 30 times a game.

the only stat that matters is ben has lost like 14 games in his 4 year career. (i think his lone playoff loss in his rookie season makes it 15).

about 18 months ago as a bloody ben was getting scraped up off the street, we all wondered if he would ever play again. and thats what really matters. any stats are gravy and ben definitely isnt going unnoticed this year. the majority are now looking beyond the stats and measurables and now taking into account all the intangibles too.

i think ben has been getting his just due. everybody knows the youngster can get it done. its only natural for the media to speculate if the romos and andersons can get it done, and what type of pace the mannings, bradys and favres can maintain.

Infamix
11-09-2007, 06:52 PM
here, this may make you feel better (lots of fun to be had with stats):

ben averages 1 td for every 10 attempts.

in 1 more game, brady has 100 more pass attempts than ben.

if ben had the 100 more pass attempts he would have 30 td's and be well on his way to breaking marino and mannings td records (without the help of moss, welker, or stallworth.)

put ben on the patriots and moss would no longer have to fight for every deep ball.

the "30 pass" stat is as bogus as the "willie rushing against great defenses" stat.

theyre bogus stats that are only ever applied to steelers players in discussions. you never hear those discussions with LJ or LT, just like people dont dissect every qb's stats when asked to throw 30 times a game.

the only stat that matters is ben has lost like 14 games in his 4 year career. (i think his lone playoff loss in his rookie season makes it 15).

about 18 months ago as a bloody ben was getting scraped up off the street, we all wondered if he would ever play again. and thats what really matters. any stats are gravy and ben definitely isnt going unnoticed this year. the majority are now looking beyond the stats and measurables and now taking into account all the intangibles too.

i think ben has been getting his just due. everybody knows the youngster can get it done. its only natural for the media to speculate if the romos and andersons can get it done, and what type of pace the mannings, bradys and favres can maintain.

good post

Jman
11-09-2007, 07:03 PM
good post

:iagree:

GREAT post tony.

Davison_K
11-09-2007, 07:33 PM
"Yeah, I hope Ben throws for 40-50 390+yards and 4 TD's against the Pats in a few weeks.".....and wins!! :cheers:

lol - i would love to see that, but I think if that is our strategy we have less of a chance to win. We need to keep that offense off the field and if Ben throws for 390, my guess, is that we aren't keeping that offense off the field.

MasterOfPuppets
11-09-2007, 07:46 PM
:iagree:

GREAT post tony.:iagree: magnificent post tony..........:sofunny:

Crushzilla
11-09-2007, 08:25 PM
here, this may make you feel better (lots of fun to be had with stats):

ben averages 1 td for every 10 attempts.

in 1 more game, brady has 100 more pass attempts than ben.

if ben had the 100 more pass attempts he would have 30 td's and be well on his way to breaking marino and mannings td records (without the help of moss, welker, or stallworth.)

put ben on the patriots and moss would no longer have to fight for every deep ball.

the "30 pass" stat is as bogus as the "willie rushing against great defenses" stat.

theyre bogus stats that are only ever applied to steelers players in discussions. you never hear those discussions with LJ or LT, just like people dont dissect every qb's stats when asked to throw 30 times a game.

the only stat that matters is ben has lost like 14 games in his 4 year career. (i think his lone playoff loss in his rookie season makes it 15).

about 18 months ago as a bloody ben was getting scraped up off the street, we all wondered if he would ever play again. and thats what really matters. any stats are gravy and ben definitely isnt going unnoticed this year. the majority are now looking beyond the stats and measurables and now taking into account all the intangibles too.

i think ben has been getting his just due. everybody knows the youngster can get it done. its only natural for the media to speculate if the romos and andersons can get it done, and what type of pace the mannings, bradys and favres can maintain.

I'm drinkin' the Hipchest "kool-aid :sofunny:." Awesome observations, Tony.

Black@Gold Forever32
11-09-2007, 09:18 PM
Very good post Tony.....I was thinking the other day man I wish Ben had the time in the pocket that Brady enjoys and had a WR like Moss that he can just throw the ball up to for a TD....Don't get me wrong I really like the Steelers WRs especially Holmes...Plus I'm not the biggest Randy Moss fan either....I still think all Randy is good at is getting deep and out leaping DBs for the pigskin...I still think he sucks as a route runner and I rather have a warrior like Ward or Santo over him any day....But it still would be nice for Ben to have that tall WR that has serious leaping ability like Randy......

Plus all this non sense of Ben throwing 30 times is lame....He is averaging 26 attempts a game...I believe thats only 6 fewer attempts a game then Peyton Manning and Ben still has more TD passes then Peyton...lol But in Pittsburgh were all about wins more then stats.....So Ben will always have less attempts a game then most QBs in the game for the simple reason when the Steelers get the lead they run the ball to kill the clock and seal the win....

But we are finally seeing under Tomlin/Ariens if you give Ben more responsibility then he can handle it....Which is great and Ben is proving he is a franchise QB....

Dynasty
11-09-2007, 10:33 PM
nice post... just shows how you can manipulate stats to show whatever you want really... you can have it show that a qb is terrible or that he is great... just on how you put the same numbers

Galax Steeler
11-10-2007, 03:25 AM
Nice post tony I know we can throw 30 times a game and win.

delhess
11-10-2007, 04:39 AM
I'm drinkin' the Hipchest "kool-aid :sofunny:." Awesome observations, Tony.

poor me a double tony, i like the way you think!!

Steeldude
11-10-2007, 05:57 AM
needs to end. I love how analysts manipulate statistics so much. If I remember correctly, it used to be a lower number than 30.

But the point I wanted to make is, when Ben throws less than 30 times and we win, it's because we have a lead (that Ben contributes to) and it's a game of possession (running the ball, eating clock) in the second half. It's not like the coaches are not allowing him to throw... so would the opposite be true? if BR throws more than 30 times and we lose, it's because the steelers don't have the lead(which BR contributes to) and it's a game of passing in the second half?

The stat they should mention is how Ben is 3rd in the league, percentage wise, in converting on 3rd down situations. This shows that he can effectively convert those situations in the second half when we unsuccessfully run the ball on 1st and 2nd down.

It's never going to happen though, because the Steelers are not media-darlings so Ben doesn't deserve any credit. :banging:

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