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DACEB
11-28-2007, 07:31 AM
First off, I was a little surprised to see MN that it seemed all the LBs played. Both Timmons and A. Harrison made plays, which is great. I wonder was this a rotation to give guys a break, for whatever reason, or planned. Did anyone get nicked (Haggans?), I don't recall seeing Woodley can anyone comment.

Now about Timmons. I'm sure everyone saw him step on Ricky after the fumble. When I first saw it, and even after on the replays, it looked innocent. After further review, and seeing it again yesterday, it sure looked like he meant it. To me it looked like he stepped on Ricky to keep him down and then jump on the ball.

I must say that I absolutely love the thought that this kid can have a mean streak like that in him. Maybe it's just me, but that's how I saw it.

Michael Keller
11-28-2007, 08:45 AM
First off, I was a little surprised to see MN that it seemed all the LBs played. Both Timmons and A. Harrison made plays, which is great. I wonder was this a rotation to give guys a break, for whatever reason, or planned. Did anyone get nicked (Haggans?), I don't recall seeing Woodley can anyone comment.

Now about Timmons. I'm sure everyone saw him step on Ricky after the fumble. When I first saw it, and even after on the replays, it looked innocent. After further review, and seeing it again yesterday, it sure looked like he meant it. To me it looked like he stepped on Ricky to keep him down and then jump on the ball.

I must say that I absolutely love the thought that this kid can have a mean streak like that in him. Maybe it's just me, but that's how I saw it.

I hope I misunderstood you. Are you hoping that Timmons stepped on Williams intentionally? If I misunderstood you I apolgize in advance.

Michael

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
11-28-2007, 08:48 AM
He didnt step on him on purpose. He was going after the ball...Im just glad he got the ball.....
I would like to see him get some more playing time......

ShutDown24
11-28-2007, 08:51 AM
I ran it back and definatley don't think he intentionally stepped on Williams. His eyes (Facemask anyway) were locked on the ball. He was just trying to get to the ball at all costs.

He played great when he was in. Pressure, tackles, he has been playing well of ST all year... I have hated people that talk down about him since he was drafted. The kid was a playmaker in college and once he gets his chance he will make the most of it. Just look at the fumble recovery.

DACEB
11-28-2007, 09:13 AM
I hope I misunderstood you. Are you hoping that Timmons stepped on Williams intentionally? If I misunderstood you I apolgize in advance.

Michael

Sorry MK, but no you did not mistake my quote.

"I must say that I absolutely love the thought that this kid can have a mean streak like that in him."

Let's not sugarcoat things. The majority of HOF's had a serious mean streak in them, at least the defensive players. Some of the best and most beloved Steelers players had IT also, Lloyd and our beloved Lambert come to mind immediately. How about Dick Butkus, Deacon Jones, Night Train Lane, Lawrence Taylor and to an extent Mean Joe Green.

Beyond that I thought Timmons looked fast and strong coming off the edge. I would like to discuss what others saw in the younger guys while they were on the field.

SteelFist
11-28-2007, 09:42 AM
Sorry MK, but no you did not mistake my quote.

"I must say that I absolutely love the thought that this kid can have a mean streak like that in him."

Let's not sugarcoat things. The majority of HOF's had a serious mean streak in them, at least the defensive players. Some of the best and most beloved Steelers players had IT also, Lloyd and our beloved Lambert come to mind immediately. How about Dick Butkus, Deacon Jones, Night Train Lane, Lawrence Taylor and to an extent Mean Joe Green.

Beyond that I thought Timmons looked fast and strong coming off the edge. I would like to discuss what others saw in the younger guys while they were on the field.

Players can have a mean streak without going beyond the lines. Timmons didn't step on Williams purposely. And I am very gald he didn't.

As far as his play, he came in on 3rd downs and looked very instinctive IMO. It was difficult to judge his playing speed due to the field conditions. "Everyone ran a 4.8 Monday night". - Joey Porter.

Woodley was injured and didn't play.

SteelStealth
11-28-2007, 09:44 AM
Woodly was out.

klick81
11-28-2007, 09:46 AM
I dont think it was intentional, and no way do I hope it was. That is not part of the sport.

Michael Keller
11-28-2007, 10:10 AM
DACEB:

Ok I am going to join up with you on what I think we are both looking for: I am a big time advocate of bringing back the mental toughness and spirit of Joe Greene, LLoyd, Lambert, Kevin Greene, Flowers, Donnie Shell , and most recently Joey porter. et al. YOu can check my posts as I feel like a voice in the wilderness crying out this team needs on the field emotional mental toughness. I personally believe it is one of the factors missing on this team there are a few others of course and you know what they are.

Back to Timmons. Is he the future tough guy leader. I have no idea at this juncture.

Is he physically gifted. Absolutely. He was a great high school player and more importantly very athletic. He is very young and did not play much college ball. he has all the skills to be dominant.

I have seen highlight films on him and they are very impressive. He drives right through the ball carrier when he tackles; in short he cracks guys. He has the toughness, no doubt there.. Reportedly loves to play the game .

He moves well in every direction. Comming off the edge and penetrating. I have not seen enough but earlier in the year I saw him taken out very easily. Way too early and not eough data to conclude that he is weak in this area. What I do see is that rare ability to close the gap FAST. Troy has this gift, Rod Woodson had it and I remember earlier in his Career Woodson was so able to close the gap that he could make a mistake and recover like no one I saw. Anoterh point to keep in mind Troy asa rookie looked lost when he did play and I was wondering about this guy.

I think we can hope and it would be nice if Timmons becomes a factor this year as we need some help to advance into the play offs. If I had to guess he won't be unless injuries occur. He could be a role player. I think he will be established as a starter during the off season for 2008. Is Haggens gone? Depends upon the money demand.

We have so little to go on. Question for you . Whats your take on his special teams play . I personally do not hear his name or see him in on many plays. Do you?

In conclusion I think we have a desperate need for on the field toughness and it better happen begining now. If we do not have this leadership go out and get it either in the draft or FA. In my opinion it is missing at this moment.

Michael

ChronoCross
11-28-2007, 10:21 AM
If you watch the replay of it. You will see after he hurdled the lineman that he had two spots he could possible bring is foot down one was on James Harrison other was on Ricky and go after the fumble. Of course he is not going to step on his own player if he does not have to. Players get stepped on every game.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80492479

SteelerFanInCA
11-28-2007, 11:46 AM
I don't think it was intentional either. I believe Timmons was so focused on getting to the ball that he didn't realize where his footing would be.

I see it as just rookie who was trying to make a big play.

DACEB
11-28-2007, 12:14 PM
We have so little to go on. Question for you . Whats your take on his special teams play . I personally do not hear his name or see him in on many plays. Do you?

Without looking at the stats, I believe at least a couple of weeks ago, he led the team in ST tackles. Someone might be able to comment further on that.

In conclusion I think we have a desperate need for on the field toughness and it better happen begining now. If we do not have this leadership go out and get it either in the draft or FA. In my opinion it is missing at this moment.

Fair enough MK. It's a fine line as far as a player being nasty and being a dirty player.
I suppose I crossed that line. :cheers:

BTW, you might be better off in the wilderness. Living in Mass., I have to deal with Pats fans everyday.

DACEB
11-28-2007, 12:18 PM
If you watch the replay of it. You will see after he hurdled the lineman that he had two spots he could possible bring is foot down one was on James Harrison other was on Ricky and go after the fumble. Of course he is not going to step on his own player if he does not have to. Players get stepped on every game.

That's exactly how I saw it the first few times, but when you see it from the opposite angle it looks like he extended himself further to get on top of Ricky.

Rhee Rhee
11-29-2007, 01:56 AM
ouch that step looked like it hurt so bad and yet although im sure it was completely accidental... it looked like incredibly on purpose..

Preacher
11-29-2007, 02:50 AM
I don't consider a cleating a guy in the ribs as dirty... in the sense that taking a guys knee, or chop blocking is dirty.

It is harsh, tough, mean football. In muck like that game was, it was part of the spirit of the game.

I am sure if a few of our old LB's were watching the game, they had a smile on their face from that shot.

To have him, silverback, A. Smith, Troy, all in there giving hard shots... Well...

This may be the start of a great thing...!

Galax Steeler
11-29-2007, 04:03 AM
I can't wait for timmons to get his chance him and woodley what a duo that is going to be for years to come.

Crushzilla
11-29-2007, 04:57 AM
To have him, silverback, A. Smith, Troy, all in there giving hard shots... Well...

This may be the start of a great thing...!

We have so much good young talent on this defense, especially in pass coverage. With Troy, Smith, Ike, and hopefully Gay or McFadden in the secondary and Woodley and Timmons being able to drop into coverage, we are going to have a very good pass defense for a long while.

I was certainly a bit skeptical of how Timmons would be for us and I hope he is a big time playmaker going forward, but I don't feel like I've seen enough yet.

Most of our draft picks this season have been solid. Nobody has really jumped out and made a run for ROY, but this is a great cohesive unit on defense. As long as Timmons, and the rest, play their roles, I will be very satisfied.

jjpro11
11-29-2007, 06:48 AM
We have so much good young talent on this defense, especially in pass coverage. With Troy, Smith, Ike, and hopefully Gay or McFadden in the secondary and Woodley and Timmons being able to drop into coverage, we are going to have a very good pass defense for a long while.

I was certainly a bit skeptical of how Timmons would be for us and I hope he is a big time playmaker going forward, but I don't feel like I've seen enough yet.

Most of our draft picks this season have been solid. Nobody has really jumped out and made a run for ROY, but this is a great cohesive unit on defense. As long as Timmons, and the rest, play their roles, I will be very satisfied.

is that 2 fumble recoveries for timmons now? i think he had one in the ravens game too.

MJ5150
11-29-2007, 02:51 PM
OK guys.....if this team is lacking so much mental "toughness" on the field....

How did we get to be the top defense in the NFL by almost 40 yards per game, leading in passing, and up until last week #1 in rushing?

Why is Ben the second rated passer in the NFL, Willie the #2 RB?

The players seem to be doing the job, we just don't have anyone yelling and screaming about how awesome they are after every play and all week in the papers.

-Mike

MJ5150
11-29-2007, 02:54 PM
Nobody has really jumped out and made a run for ROY.....

You must be referring to the defensive ROY.

I'm pretty sure Adrian Peterson in Minnesota has the ROY wrapped up.

-Mike

Preacher
11-29-2007, 02:57 PM
OK guys.....if this team is lacking so much mental "toughness" on the field....

-Mike

No one said they were lacking toughness...

Just that the mean streak that came with the toughness seems to be returning.

MJ5150
11-29-2007, 03:11 PM
No one said they were lacking toughness....

Sure they did. The term mental toughness was used in this thread and a few others recently.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, just clarifying that I was indeed replying to a comment someone made, and not just making up things. :smile:

-Mike

Preacher
11-29-2007, 03:29 PM
Sure they did. The term mental toughness was used in this thread and a few others recently.

I'm not trying to be confrontational, just clarifying that I was indeed replying to a comment someone made, and not just making up things. :smile:

-Mike

Ok....

I went back and read over the thread. Michael used it, but used it in the same terms I meant it, as he illustrated it with Joe Greene, LLoyd, Lambert, Kevin Greene, Flowers, Donnie Shell ,

In that sense, I think we are lacking it... but again, that is a meaness with the toughness... something that tells a team, You DONT want to come back here. You DONT want to open your mouth about us, you WILL feel pain when you play us.

I haven't seen that in our defense over the last couple of years... Sure, they have been a pretty good defense at times, this year they are very good. But that next level, well, our younger players are bringing it back.

RoethlisBURGHer
11-29-2007, 03:41 PM
If the ball was a blunt filled with pot, Ricky would have never dropped it. Therefore he would have never been stepped on. It's Ricky's own damn fault.

lilyoder6
11-29-2007, 04:36 PM
thats pretty funny... the football had a secret compartment...

DACEB
11-30-2007, 08:29 AM
This from steelers.com

http://news.steelers.com/article/85262/

“When you are running fast all I saw was the ball,” said Timmons. “I was going at that the whole time. I would never do anybody like that. I am not a dirty player, I have way more respect for the game than that. I definitely wouldn’t do anything to a player like that with the way he just came back and having gone through all of the stuff he went through. No way, I would never do that.”