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TroysBadDawg
12-03-2007, 10:47 AM
Are the officiating crews getting worse in the NFL or is it my imagination.

They had to figure out the field goal in the browns game because they didn't bother to watch the ball go through the uprights.

Then in theAZ game a person can plainly see the ref was only watching Winslows feet and not the play. He went up to catch the ball 2 to 3 feet inbounds and was pushed out of bounds but the ref was only watching the feet and not the play.

When is the NFL going to do something about the officiating or do they need more bottle games?

HometownGal
12-03-2007, 11:09 AM
Are the officiating crews getting worse in the NFL or is it my imagination.

They had to figure out the field goal in the browns game because they didn't bother to watch the ball go through the uprights.

Then in theAZ game a person can plainly see the ref was only watching Winslows feet and not the play. He went up to catch the ball 2 to 3 feet inbounds and was pushed out of bounds but the ref was only watching the feet and not the play.

When is the NFL going to do something about the officiating or do they need more bottle games?

The officiating in that game yesterday was horrible, but I think the Cards got screwed over more than the Browns did. Just being honest!

P.S. I think Winslow would have come down on the 1/2 yard line and time had expired, so it wouldn't have made a difference anyway.

revefsreleets
12-03-2007, 11:22 AM
Yeah, the game was poorly officiated. But the calls were going against the Cards. Sean Jones pick was not a pick, and the Braylon Edwards call was as bad as the Troy Int call against the Colts in the '05 playoffs. I mean it was clear as day that he was down, and somehow the refs missed it? I smell a conspiracy.

ShutDown24
12-03-2007, 11:28 AM
Watching that replay at first I agreed with everyone else that it was a bad call... Then I got to looking at when Winslow controlled the ball. By the time he actually had possesion the ball was outside the pylon... Now this may seem irrelevant at first thought, but there has been a rule change this year that the ball actually has to be inside the pylon, not just a part of the body anymore for it to be a touchdown. Therefore, it wasn't a touchdown. Go back and replay that and I think you would see that I atleast have a little bit of something to think about here. Overall with officiating you are right though. I saw a few blocks in the back last night that were not called on both the Steelers and Bengals as well as quite a few personal fouls that the Bungles committed that were not called... Yet when Kendell Simmons nudges a Bengal it's half the distance... ><

The Patriot
12-03-2007, 11:28 AM
I think the calls have always been this way. We're just getting better views of plays now with high speed cameras. If you guys watch baseball, they will sometimes show the strike box and where the ball passed by it. Sometimes you wonder what the umpire was looking at.

Atlanta Dan
12-03-2007, 11:43 AM
It was just a bad crew. Before the Winslow catch, Dierdorf said a Browns INT at the end of the first half and Edwards being ruled not down by contact on his TD should have been reversed - neither were.

FWIW I thought the holding call on the Bengals that negated the safety was sketchy + Ben did not get in on his TD (shame on Marvin for no challenge).

Let's see what the Pats-Steelers refs have in store for us.

rbryan
12-03-2007, 11:57 AM
The Browns got every call in that game except for the last one. It should have never come down to that play so I don't want to hear any crying from Browns fans.

As far as Ben getting in the endzone, it was almost the same situation as the SB. The ball broke the plane while he was in the air the instant before he was hit and in turn hit the ground. Its called forward progress for all the Seahag fans that don't know the rules. I only make reference to the Seasqawks because our boy Rich Eisen mentioned it AGAIN last night during his recap of the game.....Poor Seattle, still living in the past. lol

X-Terminator
12-03-2007, 12:21 PM
With all due respect, TBD, I'm really not interested in hearing any whining about that call when the Browns were the beneficiaries of 2 horrible replay calls earlier in the game.

I will say though that that was the worst officiated game I've seen all year, all around. Someone mentioned that maybe they'd be better if the league made them full-time officials - I agree with that. It may not be the cure-all, as some refs are just horrible and nothing could improve them, but it couldn't hurt.

Steelerstrength
12-03-2007, 02:31 PM
Yeah, the game was poorly officiated. But the calls were going against the Cards. Sean Jones pick was not a pick, and the Braylon Edwards call was as bad as the Troy Int call against the Colts in the '05 playoffs. I mean it was clear as day that he was down, and somehow the refs missed it?

:iagree: I sincerely hope that the same Ref is not offerred a chance to officiate the play offs! He sucked something awful before that game!

Preacher
12-03-2007, 03:09 PM
I think the calls have always been this way. We're just getting better views of plays now with high speed cameras. If you guys watch baseball, they will sometimes show the strike box and where the ball passed by it. Sometimes you wonder what the umpire was looking at.

As much as I HATE to agree with a pats fan...

In hockey, the refs, when reffing Major Junior hockey, only see about 60 percent (according to a ref I know). In the pros, they only see about 35 to 40 percent. The reason is because those boys are so big and so fast.

Now bring that to football... you have 22 people on the field. They two are VERY fast.. and VERY VERY big.

We have cameras that take a wide view, and people reviewing and reviewing it. But the refs, with the game live, trying to look through those bodies... well, I can understand some blown calls.

I thought last nights game between the Steelers and the Bengals was well ref'd when it was all said and done.

19ward86
12-03-2007, 03:13 PM
refs already cheated enough for the browns during that game.

TroysBadDawg
12-03-2007, 03:57 PM
Inever said they were not blowing calls only one way, I just cited two different calls that stood out in my mind because I am a Browns fan. I do remember the radio announcer saying that the officiating crew for the game was one of the worst in the NFL. My question is if they are that bad why are they still employed? And yes they are paying about 100,000 a year for these refs, so they should be full time and not part time. Keep them working year round working on the rules and their skills. They are becoming a joke.
As far as the Superbowl TD Big Ben went on Television and said he never crossed the goal line.
I didn't bring that up you did. I did not intend for this to become a smack thread but one about the quality of ref officiating games. IF you want to turn it into smack start a thread in the boiler room, I will not join it.

fansince'76
12-03-2007, 04:00 PM
I do remember the radio announcer saying that the officiating crew for the game was one of the worst in the NFL. My question is if they are that bad why are they still employed?

I agree, on both counts. The NFL needs to go to full-time officials and get rid of the bank presidents and corporate CEOs they have calling the games now as a hobby. Been saying that for years.

BlastFurnace
12-03-2007, 04:12 PM
Inever said they were not blowing calls only one way, I just cited two different calls that stood out in my mind because I am a Browns fan. I do remember the radio announcer saying that the officiating crew for the game was one of the worst in the NFL. My question is if they are that bad why are they still employed? And yes they are paying about 100,000 a year for these refs, so they should be full time and not part time. Keep them working year round working on the rules and their skills. They are becoming a joke.
As far as the Superbowl TD Big Ben went on Television and said he never crossed the goal line.
I didn't bring that up you did. I did not intend for this to become a smack thread but one about the quality of ref officiating games. IF you want to turn it into smack start a thread in the boiler room, I will not join it.

Honestly, if that had happened to one of our WR's at the end of the game, we would be yelling as well...if it was the right call or not.

I do feel that the Browns game yesterday was horribly officiated, but I don't think it was the reason they lost. They did receive two huge breaks by that same refereeing crew that kept the game close. I thought Anderson was not his normal self.

I really couldn't tell where his feet would have been. What I don't like is the media not being fair with the officating from that game. Collinsworth never mentioned the other bad calls that went against the Cardinals. The media just picks and chooses what they want to criticize and do not look at the game objectively.

That being said, it looks like you may have something to cheer about for the next several years. You guys are what I thought the Bengals would be this season....a solid offensive team, average defense, and a solid playoff contender.

TroysBadDawg
12-03-2007, 05:02 PM
The media just picks and chooses what they want to criticize and do not look at the game objectively.

The media is partly to blame, they want to create news instead of report it. But that is another thread entirely.

That being said, it looks like you may have something to cheer about for the next several years. You guys are what I thought the Bengals would be this season....a solid offensive team, average defense, and a solid playoff contender.

Until the Browns get a solid defense and a real head coachwe are going nowhere. Now Crennel is basking in the glory of Chud's offense, nothing more. Just give him more food and hope he goes away.

Black@Gold Forever32
12-03-2007, 06:34 PM
Are the officiating crews getting worse in the NFL or is it my imagination.

They had to figure out the field goal in the browns game because they didn't bother to watch the ball go through the uprights.

Then in theAZ game a person can plainly see the ref was only watching Winslows feet and not the play. He went up to catch the ball 2 to 3 feet inbounds and was pushed out of bounds but the ref was only watching the feet and not the play.

When is the NFL going to do something about the officiating or do they need more bottle games?

Don't get me wrong I agree Winslow was forced out....But Derek Anderson throwing a pick six and losing fumble that led to another Cards TD had more to do with the Browns losing then that blown call at the end....Don't you think? I will say they need to start reviewing force out plays though.....The Browns are a solid team and I think they will the 6th seed in the AFC....

HometownGal
12-03-2007, 08:14 PM
I thought last nights game between the Steelers and the Bengals was well ref'd when it was all said and done.

I agree, Father. I had no problem at all with the officiating crew last night.

I think Ed Hochuli and Mike Carey are two of the most consistent (and fair) refs in the league right now. I also loved Johnny Grier and Tom White, but they've retired.

The ref I thought was one of the worst ever was the older gent with ears that looked like wings off of a 747. Can't remember his name off hand.

warddj86
12-03-2007, 09:01 PM
the cal-oregon call was close too, i thought he was in

TroysBadDawg
12-03-2007, 09:39 PM
Don't get me wrong I agree Winslow was forced out....But Derek Anderson throwing a pick six and losing fumble that led to another Cards TD had more to do with the Browns losing then that blown call at the end....Don't you think? I will say they need to start reviewing force out plays though.....The Browns are a solid team and I think they will the 6th seed in the AFC....

I agree the team (Browns) blew the game all by themselves. But I am tired of the refs determining the outcome of games by their calls. That is why I started this thread, nothing more. not to cry over calls against the Browns or the Steelers or any other team. Just the inconsistancy of the refs and how they don't appear to even know the rules at times.

When a field goal may win or lose a game by any team, they never watch it go through the uprights, they look straight ahead, like they have eyes in the top of their head. They can't see with the eyes God gave them in the front of thier face how are they going to see with the ones they think are on top of thier head. They need to start watching the ball pass through the uprights.

When a player is close to the side line for a touchdown, they need to be watching if he is being pushed out of bounds when he catches the ball, that is not reviewable only if he feet are in or out. So what di the ref make a point in watching with Winslow ....his feet.

Maybe theswe refs should be replaces by Rec ref's, they appear to do a better job to me, and do try to keep the calls consistant, and they only make about 45.00 a game.

Lets see a bank President or CEO work for that.

BlastFurnace
12-03-2007, 09:46 PM
I agree, Father. I had no problem at all with the officiating crew last night.

I think Ed Hochuli and Mike Carey are two of the most consistent (and fair) refs in the league right now. I also loved Johnny Grier and Tom White, but they've retired.

The ref I thought was one of the worst ever was the older gent with ears that looked like wings off of a 747. Can't remember his name off hand.

I still don't like Ron Winter. Jeff Triplett is just plain annoying.

Red Cashen was nothing but a Cowboy fan. Whenever he reffed any of their games, the other team was hozed.

stlrtruck
12-04-2007, 02:50 PM
Are the officiating crews getting worse in the NFL or is it my imagination.

They had to figure out the field goal in the browns game because they didn't bother to watch the ball go through the uprights.

Then in theAZ game a person can plainly see the ref was only watching Winslows feet and not the play. He went up to catch the ball 2 to 3 feet inbounds and was pushed out of bounds but the ref was only watching the feet and not the play.

When is the NFL going to do something about the officiating or do they need more bottle games?

I wrote a letter last year to the commish about how horrible the refs have been over the last few years. It seems that they're only concerned with keeping their QB Poster Child for KY protected and the bungals jail sentenced reduced!

GBMelBlount
12-04-2007, 11:26 PM
I agree, on both counts. The NFL needs to go to full-time officials and get rid of the ......they have calling the games now as a hobby. Been saying that for years.

When you consider pro football to be a billion dollar industry, it seems odd to skimp on the refs IMHO. :hunch: