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stillers4me
12-05-2007, 09:17 PM
Got this in my e-mail............. http://www.realgmfootball.com:80/src_teamarticle/297/20071204/why_the_steelers_will_beat_the_patriots/

Why The Steelers Will Beat The Patriots
Matthew Gordon. 4th December, 2007 - 5:55 pm

This Sunday?s game features what might be the two best teams in the AFC, or even in the entire NFL. The 12-0 Patriots have shown so far that they are among the most formidable teams in recent memory, accumulating what feels like a guaranteed victory every week. The Steelers, at 9-3, have lost three winnable games this season that they really should have won yet they remain number three in the conference and a feared opponent to anyone they face.

To be fair, there are a lot of things in the Patriots? favor. The Steelers are only 2-3 on the road, an abysmal record compared to their overall performance; the Patriots don?t have any crippling injuries, their worst being to Roosevelt Colvin; and they?re obviously riding one of the biggest momentums the league has ever seen. Despite these factors, there are a few things that could produce a shift in fortunes.

A quick survey of the Patriots? twelve wins so far reveals the following: four have been against divisional opponents (who are a combined 9-27 this year, for a putrid winning percentage of .250) and another four have been against non-division opponents with losing records. That leaves only four games during which the Patriots can be said to have really put together a performance that would make a contending team interested, including a narrow escape against the Colts. The Colts, Eagles and Ravens games were won by a combined ten points and could have easily been losses. An important note to make here is that all three of those teams have good coaching and came into those games with a game plan that they executed very well.

The Steelers? haven?t been at all more impressive, but the games they?ve played take a different path. When the Steelers have lost, it seems completely random, a result of the team just not bothering to put together a good enough performance. Games like the Niners blowout and the two games against Cincinnati demonstrate that the Steelers are clearly capable of putting away non-playoff teams almost as well as if not just as well as the Patriots can. The Dolphins game, a tough-fought 3-0 win, was a product of lousy weather and an underrate Dolphins defence. What?s more important is that the Steelers have not lost to a +.500 team this season. (They?re only 3-0, but this can be attributed to their schedule ? besides, the Patriots are only 4-0, as mentioned. Neither team has been pitching playoff battles every week.)

Since neither team has had the chance to bowl over legions of playoff teams, the previous twelve games have shown us little in terms of quality of opponents except that the Patriots win games and the Steelers win games when they come out to play. The teams? records, the Patriots winning 12-9 in the wins department so far, can only explain so much, with both records being very good and the Steelers? losses not coming in any sort of systematic fashion. The Patriots won against the Colts but needed a 14-point fourth-quarter surge to do it, something that probably won?t be so available against the Steelers? defence; the Eagles win can be blame more on A.J. Feeley?s horrendous decision-making in the closing minutes than anything else. The Cardinals, Broncos and Jets are all significantly different teams that exposed little more than the Steelers? tendency to play to the level of their competition. There are three things about this Steelers team that could make them very difficult for the Patriots to stop.

A Controlled Offense

The Pittsburgh Steelers run the kind of offense that football puritans love and the Patriots? defense hates. Predicated on short pass patterns and running the football, the Steelers are very careful with how they handle the ball. Ben Roethlisberger has only thrown eleven interceptions all year and the team is not afraid to run the ball thirty or more in a game.

Something the Eagles did with consistency against the Patriots was throwing to the tight end over the middle. The Patriots? opportunistic corners, Asante Samuel and Randall Gay, have nine interceptions between them this season and are therefore best avoided. Adding to this, the Patriots? only legitimate sack threat is Mike Vrabel, so Roethlisberger should at least have time to launch a quick pass. The Steelers are the perfect team to capitalize on the Patriots? outside-heavy defense because they?re at their best when passing quickly and inside. Hines Ward and Heath Miller, the Steelers? two best receivers, are most comfortable when away from the sidelines, especially Miller. At 6?5? and 256 pounds, Miller is a punishing tight end who is tough to stop from making a catch.

Putting Ward and Miller in the middle of the field creates immense problems for the Patriots. The Patriots? inside linebackers, Tedy Bruschi and Junior Seau, are both great players but they average 36 years of age and neither has forced a fumble yet this season; by contrast, neither Ward nor Miller has fumbled. Pittsburgh has proven that it doesn?t need to make the big pass, with neither Ward nor Miller catching a pass of thirty or more yards this season despite them having a combined twelve receiving touchdowns. The Patriots? defense is the best in the league at taking away big plays but they won?t find any against Pittsburgh. The Steelers? favourite passes are the ones that move the chains.

stillers4me
12-05-2007, 09:17 PM
The Steelers’ running game is as much of a concern. Willie Parker, despite a mediocre 3.8 yards per carry, already has 1093 rushing yards on the season, more than double that of the Patriots’ leading rusher. Najeh Davenport has come into his own as a solid change-of-pace back, rushing for a stellar 5.0 yards per carry, which is better than any Patriots rusher. Ben Roethlisberger has been averaging 5.7 yards per carry on limited attempts; the Patriots will have to watch for him because the couple times he rushes per game, he either punches in a touchdown or makes a scramble for a first down or close to it.

On Monday, the Ravens ran for 166 yards against the Patriots on 37 carries, the kind of performance the Steelers will no doubt be looking to emulate. Like the Steelers, the Ravens also have a 1000-yard rusher in Willis McGahee but no good secondary rusher to mix up the defense. The Steelers’ running game has more depth to it, more different looks, and could very well stymie the Patriots’ front seven. None of the Patriots’ starting defensive linemen average much more than three tackles per game this year, Richard Seymour has been a non-factor due to knee surgery and if the linebacking corps is too eager to stop the run, that’ll open up the field for the play-action pass. The Patriots will have to formulate a better plan against the run than they did on Monday if they want their offense to see the field.

A Focused Defense

The Steelers have prided themselves on having a great defense for a very long time and that hasn’t changed a bit. They’ve allowed 155 points this season, far and away the least of any team, good for less than 13 opposing points per game. While it hasn’t been a great season for the Steelers’ defensive line, their linebackers have looked amazing. The unlikely James Harrison and the steady James Farrior are both over 70 tackles on the season and have combined for 14.5 sacks.

What the Steelers have is a wealth of good defensive players. They have eight 40+ tacklers this season to the Patriots’ seven despite having two players (the aforementioned Harrison and Farrior) who each have more tackles than any one player on the Patriots’ team. Ike Taylor is a big, physical corner who’s among the best tacklers from his position, and there’s no doubt he’ll be entrusted with the duty of covering Randy Moss. DeShea Townsend is a player who’s more in the traditional mould, speedy and feisty, and will be counted on to handle Donte’ Stallworth. The Patriots haven’t really faced this kind of physicality and coverage except against two teams, the Eagles and the Ravens, who they struggled to beat.

The Steelers’ rushing defense should neutralize the Patriots’ backs. The Steelers have allowed 922 rushing yards all year, equalling less than 77 per outing, and have allowed only three rushing touchdowns in their twelve games. The Patriots will have to find a way to establish the run because the Steelers’ defense is too good be allowed to know what’s coming next, but there’s no indication that the Patriots will be able to get much done. If they try to run to the outside, Farrior’s waiting to unload on whoever he sees; if they can get past underachieving yet still notable run-stuffer Casey Hampton on the inside, Harrison’s seven forced fumbles are not a stat the Patriots would like to augment. Furthermore, every single player in the Steelers’ secondary is capable of coming toward the line of scrimmage and delivering a big hit or even going straight to the quarterback. There’s a very good chance that Laurence Maroney will have a very tough game, and there’s no Davenport to spell him.

To the Patriots’ Level

Something that’s been a continual frustration for Steelers fans all season is that when faced with below-par competition, the team doesn’t seem to give its all. Everyone knows that the Steelers can crush teams like the Cardinals, Broncos and Jets but they didn’t. More importantly, teams like the potentially playoff-bound Browns (albeit more so in Week 1) and the division-leading Seahawks have been feeling the Steelers’ wrath. This is a highly disciplined team with good coaching that knows winning. Admirers of the Patriots’ recent dynasty may well have forgotten that the Steelers have won a Superbowl more recently than the Patriots have.

That one big knock against the Steelers, that they play to the level of their competition, has utterly no bearing on this game. If anything, it helps them. If I’m Mike Tomlin and my team plays like it’s a 12-0 squad, I can’t say I mind too much. The Patriots have a great team but their weaknesses match up with the Steelers’ strengths; combined with the Steelers no doubt feeling like they have a lot to prove in this game, that could mean a loss in the Patriots’ column.

While no one would actually make such an outrageous prediction as the Patriots losing a game, no team has ever gone undefeated in a sixteen-game season and it’s something that would be tough to change. Every NFL team, even the Dolphins, plays at such a high level that for one team to roll the table is simply too difficult. For the Patriots to even go 15-1, they have to lose a game – why not this one? Here’s to the Steelers. Let’s see if history can be delayed for another year

Stlrs4Life
12-05-2007, 09:24 PM
Nice article. Very good insight.

Davison_K
12-05-2007, 11:44 PM
Great article... Lets hope it doesn't give me TOO much hope going into Sunday's game. I would love to see a Patriot loss though. Monday night was the first game I EVER rooted for the Ratbirds. I don't want the Patriots to go 16-0.

43SteelCurtainRevolution
12-06-2007, 12:02 AM
Great article... Lets hope it doesn't give me TOO much hope going into Sunday's game. I would love to see a Patriot loss though. Monday night was the first game I EVER rooted for the Ratbirds. I don't want the Patriots to go 16-0.
:iagree: I hate the Ratbirds, but I want the Patsies to LOSE!!!!!
The Steelers are the NFL's only hope of beating the Pats, so we'll have the support of the ENTIRE LEAGUE Sunday Night.
If that doesn't instill some passion into this Steelers team, I don't know what will.
Remember, the Patriots aren't a lock for the Super Bowl like some people argue. The Steelers still have a very legitimate shot at a second SB in 3 years!

GO STEELERS

Blitzmonger
12-06-2007, 12:48 AM
First off Steelers fans, Thomas Jones recorded over 100 yards on the ground against the run stopping Steelers, oooh im scared. Lets be real that is no fluke. If these articles are saying that the Steelers slack off against horrible teams but play well against good ones, lets see! They barely beat the Browns for christ sakes. They have had so many close games this year. I do agree that the Patriots have had the easiest schedule then any other team this year. And the Pats are a far to talented team to have such an easy schedule. But you guys have to face the facts, if the Steelers can barely beat bum teams and the article states only shows up against good teams, then how do you expect them to beat the Patriots? I have not seen the Steelers play a really solid team this whole season. I mean the Bengals do not count, with that crappy defense and all. Put it this way, the Steelers are going to have their hands full this Sunday night. I predict a good game and really hope the Patriots lose, but I do not think it is going to happen. Steelers really need Santonio Holmes back, i think he does not get enough credit and no hype at all. That being said Pats are gonna woop dat ........

HometownGal
12-06-2007, 07:30 AM
First off Steelers fans, Thomas Jones recorded over 100 yards on the ground against the run stopping Steelers, oooh im scared. Lets be real that is no fluke. If these articles are saying that the Steelers slack off against horrible teams but play well against good ones, lets see! They barely beat the Browns for christ sakes. They have had so many close games this year. I do agree that the Patriots have had the easiest schedule then any other team this year. And the Pats are a far to talented team to have such an easy schedule. But you guys have to face the facts, if the Steelers can barely beat bum teams and the article states only shows up against good teams, then how do you expect them to beat the Patriots? I have not seen the Steelers play a really solid team this whole season. I mean the Bengals do not count, with that crappy defense and all. Put it this way, the Steelers are going to have their hands full this Sunday night. I predict a good game and really hope the Patriots lose, but I do not think it is going to happen. Steelers really need Santonio Holmes back, i think he does not get enough credit and no hype at all. That being said Pats are gonna woop dat ........

:blah::blah::blah:

And the mighty Cheatriots had to come from behind in the final countdown to beat two teams with a combined 9-17 record. The Cheatriots also haven't faced the NFL's #1 secondary and D, but they'll be properly introduced this Sunday.

rdon357
12-06-2007, 08:05 AM
Why The Steelers Will Beat The Patriots

The steelers will beat the patriots just after 7pm Sunday night :tt02: and win the division with
a browns loss.they will beat the patriots with strong will and determination, physical play and great special teams play and also great coaching plays a huge factor its going to be a team effort to upset pats (America) lol anyway big ben is going to have to get the ball out quickly we all know about his slow release lets hope the line can drive the pile back take control of the line of scrimmage and open holes for little willie parker to run through or line sucks though so will see steelers 24 pats 20

crew1954
12-06-2007, 08:29 AM
'... They have eight 40+ tacklers this season to the Patriots’ seven despite having two players (the aforementioned Harrison and Farrior) who each have more tackles than any one Patriot......"


I would think the more 40+ tacklers the worse the offense, and potentially, the worse the defense.

A great offense keeps it's defense off the field, resulting in less opportunities to tackle.

conversely a bad defense, which does not give up big plays, but gets chewed up 5 yards a clip, would have tons of tackles.

HometownGal
12-06-2007, 08:34 AM
A great offense keeps it's defense off the field, resulting in less opportunities to tackle.

They?ve allowed 155 points this season, far and away the least of any team, good for less than 13 opposing points per game.

A great defense keeps the offense off the board, which is really all that matters when that final second ticks off the clock. Enough said.

crew1954
12-06-2007, 08:35 AM
.".... I do agree that the Patriots have had the easiest schedule then any other team this year. And the Pats are a far to talented team to have such an easy schedule. But you guys have to face the facts, if the Steelers can barely beat bum teams and the article states only shows up against good teams, then how do you expect them to beat the Patriots? I have not seen the Steelers play a really solid team this whole season....".

The Steelers have the leagues' 32nd ranked schedule. Patriots 16th.

alittlejazzbird
12-06-2007, 11:49 AM
Can it be???? What's the world coming to? Now even Peter King thinks we're going to win:

Pittsburgh Steelers (9-3) at New England Patriots (12-0)
Five reasons: 1. A.J. Feeley and Kyle Boller have put up 52 points on the Patriots the last two weeks; Ben Roethlisberger won't make the kind of late-game mistakes those two backups did. 2. Brian Westbrook and Willis McGahee have rushed for 190 yards on the Pats the last two weeks. I'm not in love with Willie Parker's recent rushing numbers -- 52, 81 and 87 yards, against three straight sub-.500 teams -- but I think the Patriots will be vulnerable against a power running game. 3. Pats are tired after three straight night games, including the emotional Monday-nighter in frigid Baltimore. Bill Belichick didn't even practice them Wednesday, an incredible rarity with a Sunday game upcoming. 4. Hines Ward's will to win. The dude leads the league in it. 5. Just a gut feeling. The strain of going for perfection seems to be wearing on New England, while Pittsburgh is just bullyish enough not to fear the enormity of Sunday's stage.

Steelers 27, Patriots 20

verks36
12-06-2007, 11:52 AM
because we have god on our side

Dino 6 Rings
12-06-2007, 12:01 PM
Collective Will and Karma

More people will be willing the Steelers to victory this weekend than every before and the Karma of the Pats bad form and classlessness is bound to catch up with them.

That said.

We will win because we are MORE VIOLENT than YOU!!!!

Bruski is slow, Say Ow is Old, Harrison is on Roids and is a cheap shot artist, but he'll be getting his clock cleaned this weekend, your O-line is going to have holding calls called against it like you've never seen this weekend as the League attempts to make up for some "questionable" calls made this past monday and last but not least...because you are an Old Dying worn out Dynasty that is past its prime and is on the Down Side of greatness...where as the Steelers, are just getting started.

Look at the Pats salary cap and current roster and take a guess as to how many of your starters will actually be back next season...not many. This is it for the Pats, and their run ends Sunday.

Dino 6 Rings
12-06-2007, 12:03 PM
Steelers 31

Pats 0

Shut out at home. Game Set Match.

Dino 6 Rings
12-06-2007, 12:03 PM
Now get off my board Pats fan or I'll haunt you for the next 12 years on your message boards and every time your team loses or a guy gets hurt I'll be there, to mock and humilate you.

DJJorel
12-06-2007, 12:22 PM
The Steelers have the leagues' 32nd ranked schedule. Patriots 16th.

Those rankings were based on records from last year...

Remember year's playoffs teams?The Jets, Chiefs, Ravens, Bears, Saints, and Eagles will most likely not make the playoffs this year. Also, the Chargers were 14-2 and the Ravens were 13-3...As a matter of fact, I would bet that the opponent's total win percentage of the Patriots and the Steelers are pretty much equal...

Right now, the Patriots are the only one in their division above .500.

Those strength of schedule rankings do not hold up anymore...they are only good for preseason talk...

With all that...my prediction: Pit 35 NE 24

iloveben7
12-06-2007, 03:36 PM
I know the Steelers will win 37-30

Steelman16
12-06-2007, 03:46 PM
Strange though, almost all the Yahoo Sports guys picked New England....But other than them, looks everyone else is rooting for us.

stillers4me
12-06-2007, 04:19 PM
because we have god on our side

Good enough for me. :sofunny:

stillers4me
12-06-2007, 04:20 PM
Because Anthony Smith says so.

Dino 6 Rings
12-06-2007, 04:35 PM
Because Tomlin wills it.

iloveben7
12-06-2007, 08:20 PM
because all the Steelers know they can beat the Patriots and they will play their hearts out on Sunday

Snerdly
12-07-2007, 09:52 AM
Patriots have a few close games (that they win, BTW) and all of a sudden a Steeler team (which lost to the freakin' Jets and Cardinals) is so full of themselves that they're braying like jackasses.

Hmmm... I think Black and Gold, is in for some Black and Blue.

tony hipchest
12-07-2007, 10:04 AM
Patriots have a few close games (that they win, BTW) and all of a sudden a Steeler team (which lost to the freakin' Jets and Cardinals) is so full of themselves that they're braying like jackasses.

Hmmm... I think Black and Gold, is in for some Black and Blue.so are you saying that the pats losing to the jets last year and getting shut out by the worst team ever (dolphins) is what caused the patriots to have the bigest afcc game meltdown in history? what youre saying is the steelers lost to 2 inferior teams so theres no way they can possibly beat a supposedly superior team. if thats the case how were the patriots able to beat the chargers last year? pats dont have a monopoly on anything.

yeah, we lost to the jets and cardinals. the pats play the steelers this week though.

i bet the patriots are studying that jets tape real hard this week. lol

Snerdly
12-07-2007, 12:43 PM
what youre saying is the steelers lost to 2 inferior teams so theres no way they can possibly beat a supposedly superior team.

No.
What I am saying is that a 9-3 team shouldn't be running its mouth, and making boisterous predictions in regards to beating a 12-0 team.

We'll see what happens Sunday, but right now the Steelers sound like arrogant azzes.

tony hipchest
12-07-2007, 12:48 PM
No.
What I am saying is that a 9-3 team shouldn't be running its mouth, and making boisterous predictions in regards to beating a 12-0 team.

We'll see what happens Sunday, but right now the Steelers sound like arrogant azzes.who are you to say what they should or shouldnt be saying?

it is tha patriots and their fans who are the arrogant a$$es. thats why teams, players, fans, media, all wanna see you get knocked on them. not so much to see the fall, but to see the whining and crying afterwards. smith wants to punch moss in the mouth. who can blame him? im sure you absolutely are in love with moss. im also pretty sure most of you fans looked down your holier than thou noses at him and thought he was scum while he was a raider and smoking weed in his off time.

BurghZ0n3
12-07-2007, 02:00 PM
Why The Steelers Will Beat The Patriots.....because I JUST GOT A RAISE!!!!! :banana: I got a good feeling we WILL win this Sunday ....:tt02::tt02::tt02:

Hines0wnz
12-07-2007, 03:13 PM
No.
What I am saying is that a 9-3 team shouldn't be running its mouth, and making boisterous predictions in regards to beating a 12-0 team.

We'll see what happens Sunday, but right now the Steelers sound like arrogant azzes.

Yes, the Patsies are football Gods and no one should be allowed to taint that image!

http://www.secsportsfan.com/images/patriots_spygate_logo.gif


Oops, too late.

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/jerkit5.gif

Hines0wnz
12-07-2007, 03:14 PM
First off Steelers fans, Thomas Jones recorded over 100 yards on the ground against the run stopping Steelers, oooh im scared. Lets be real that is no fluke. If these articles are saying that the Steelers slack off against horrible teams but play well against good ones, lets see! They barely beat the Browns for christ sakes. They have had so many close games this year. I do agree that the Patriots have had the easiest schedule then any other team this year. And the Pats are a far to talented team to have such an easy schedule. But you guys have to face the facts, if the Steelers can barely beat bum teams and the article states only shows up against good teams, then how do you expect them to beat the Patriots? I have not seen the Steelers play a really solid team this whole season. I mean the Bengals do not count, with that crappy defense and all. Put it this way, the Steelers are going to have their hands full this Sunday night. I predict a good game and really hope the Patriots lose, but I do not think it is going to happen. Steelers really need Santonio Holmes back, i think he does not get enough credit and no hype at all. That being said Pats are gonna woop dat ........

:yawn:

Another day....another troll. Get a job already.

crew1954
12-08-2007, 03:33 PM
A great defense keeps the offense off the board, which is really all that matters when that final second ticks off the clock. Enough said.


Therefore, if a great defense keeps ( the opposing offense i am assuming you mean) off the field, there are less tackles made.

3 and out 10 possessions = 30 tackles per game ( plus a few ST's)

So a 'perfect defensive game' should have maybe 35 tackles.

crew1954
12-09-2007, 01:45 PM
who are you to say what they should or shouldnt be saying?

it is tha patriots and their fans who are the arrogant a$$es. thats why teams, players, fans, media, all wanna see you get knocked on them. not so much to see the fall, but to see the whining and crying afterwards. smith wants to punch moss in the mouth. who can blame him? im sure you absolutely are in love with moss. im also pretty sure most of you fans looked down your holier than thou noses at him and thought he was scum while he was a raider and smoking weed in his off time.

All teams have fans who are arrogant asses. I was in Denver and all the Broncos fans could talk about was how rude the 'Cheesehead s' were, yet they loved the Red Sox fans, go figure!

I don't know many people from Wisconsin, but I had a hard time picturing that pastoral state full of rude arrogant asses. Who knew?

Whining and crying not unique attributes to NE fans. You read your own boards after you beat the Colts in the AFCCG?

If we are any good at it, they were our mentors. Older Pats fans just brought out their imitations of the 1985 Bears and their fans ( the absolute worst- they still are- they are STILL talking about the SB game vs. the Pats, like it has any bearing on life in the 21st century).

Talk about arrogant, how about filming a video, 'the SB shuffle' BEFORE you win the game.

Moss. well we have a history of taking those guys and having it work out. So far he has been a model citizen, although he has been taking a few plays off recently.

We do look down our noses at selfish, lazy, overegoed, overpaid players. Guilty as charged.

HometownGal
12-09-2007, 01:56 PM
Therefore, if a great defense keeps ( the opposing offense i am assuming you mean) off the field, there are less tackles made.

3 and out 10 possessions = 30 tackles per game ( plus a few ST's)

So a 'perfect defensive game' should have maybe 35 tackles.

You are missing my point. :dang: It doesn't matter how few or how many tackles a D makes if that D can keep the opponent off of the scoreboard - whatever it takes. The Steelers have been tops in the league this season in doing just that.

LC-4307
12-09-2007, 02:22 PM
How can all the Pats fans believe they'll beat us just because they're "better"? They keep bringing up the fact that the Steelers lost some games they should've won, but are they forgetting they've won all the games that maybe should've given them some trouble? We're obviously playing up to the harder teams, and playing down to the ones that should be easier to beat, by that fact alone... the Pats fans should be ready to lose this afternoon!

VTevaD
12-09-2007, 05:48 PM
How can all the Pats fans believe they'll beat us just because they're "better"? They keep bringing up the fact that the Steelers lost some games they should've won, but are they forgetting they've won all the games that maybe should've given them some trouble? We're obviously playing up to the harder teams, and playing down to the ones that should be easier to beat, by that fact alone... the Pats fans should be ready to lose this afternoon!

Heh :cheer: