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tony hipchest
12-07-2007, 07:02 PM
when tired of all the guarantee hype and run for history articles kirwan never fails to deliver some great statistical and pure football analysis. after all hes the only writer/talking head ive never seen hated on or ripped apart on this board.

i only post this here cause these are 5 things the steelers can possibly expect to see on sunday and 5 things the steelers coaches will have to guess correctly on and/or counter attack.

plus, with the influx of patfans, we can see if they can really talk football or are all about the college dorm room trolling.

Seconds after the Philadelphia Eagles played the Patriots close in Week 12, it seemed like they had advertised a blue print on how to beat New England.

While the Eagles didn't beat the Patriots, the game tape might have provided a few clues about what things can be successful against New England. But as one of the Ravens player said to me hours before their Monday night game with New England, "We never even talked about the Eagles during the week."

What really transpired after the Eagles-Patriots game was a list of things the Patriots could work on to get even better. Monday's game indicated the progress made by New England in the five areas the Eagles exposed.

Listed below are five things New England learned about themselves from their victory over the Eagles.


1. The clock in Tom Brady's head
Brady is the best at what he does, but there have been weeks where he gets enough time to wait on Randy Moss or anyone else he wants to throw to. Brady was sacked just three times in the first five games. The Eagles sacked him three times, and got hits on him another four times. Brady knows he has less time in the pocket than he had earlier in the year. The Ravens believed they could get to Brady, and they were right, sacking him three times and getting hits on him another half-dozen times. The clock in Brady's head will be ticking loud and clear from now on and he will get the ball out of his hand faster than ever. He knows his team isn't going anywhere if he's on the sideline with an injury. The Steelers will bring pressure in Week 14.

2. Balancing up the offensive attack
The Patriots don't necessarily look to be balanced on a game-to-game basis. If they go against a run defense like the Vikings have, they are capable of passing 80 percent of the game. Thus far into the season, the Patriots have run the ball 45 percent of the time and passed it 55 percent of the time. Against the Eagles, they were closer to passing it 80 percent of the time. Baltimore has a top run defense, but the Patriots attempted to balance their attack by running the ball on 37 percent of their plays. Laurence Maroney averages just 10 rushing attempts a game; look for that to go up in the next few weeks. Until New England demonstrates that they are a threat to run, teams will overplay Randy Moss and the rest of the receivers, which will lead to sacks and hits on Brady.

3. Route and formation adjustments
When you watch the game tape from the Eagles-Patriots matchup, it appears the Eagles' plan to disrupt Moss off the line of scrimmage was an effective way to interfere with his release and timing. Look for the Patriots to adjust and start putting Moss in motion in order to set up a clean release. Look for them to also work some pick plays at the snap of the ball in what will look like a bunch series where three eligible receivers are close to each other when the ball is snapped. It was a staple of the Patriots' offense in years past and it has its place again after watching the Eagles concentrate on Moss. The Ravens restricted Moss to four catches for 34 yards and a TD. In the past two games Moss has nine receptions for 77 yards and only one touchdown.

4. Work on their first-down defense
Opponents will look at the Eagles' game plan against the Patriots and realize that Philadelphia went 13 for 16 and 120 yards on first down before the Pats ended the game with an interception on the 17th first-down pass. The Patriots are a very effective blitz defense when they want to be and had 21 sacks and seven interceptions heading into their game with the Ravens. First down has been one of their least blitzed downs. I expect to see a few more pressure schemes on first downs after the Eagles completed 81 percent of their first-down passes for 7.5 yards an attempt. The Ravens ran it 18 times, while throwing it only twice, on first downs. The Patriots need to tighten up their first-down defense. The Steelers will mix up their calls on first down.

5. Clean up the third-down pass defense
A.J. Feeley came into Foxboro and threw a pick six on the game's first third-down situation. After that he went 7 of 9 on third-down pass calls. The Patriots gave up 126 yards and three touchdowns on those seven completions. Bill Belichick will study how and why Feeley was so productive. If it's more man coverage or better disguises in the coverage, we should see the revised package shortly. Baltimore ran it three times and passed it eight times on third down. Outside of giving up a 53-yard bomb and a 4-yard touchdown pass to Baltimore, the Patriots have their third-down defense headed in the right direction.

It's a challenge to keep any group of people grounded when they are experiencing the amount of success New England has had thus far. Every week, Belichick points out the things the players have to improve. The players I speak with say they hear the message loud and clear. But after being tested by the Eagles and Ravens, the message is easier to deliver and accept.

revefsreleets
12-07-2007, 07:21 PM
So, what does this all mean?

If LeBeau is ahead of Belichick, we may see different schemes than Philly or Baltimore. If they send Moss in motion or bunch receivers there is no way jamming at the line will work.

I love the chess match that this game provides. The question becomes which coordinator can see more moves into the game? The Steelers have had excellent gameplans against the Pats even in their losses, but they executed poorly.

fansince'76
12-07-2007, 07:24 PM
If LeBeau is ahead of Belichick, we may see different schemes than Philly or Baltimore. If they send Moss in motion or bunch receivers there is no way jamming at the line will work.

Agreed - another thing on Moss - will he sell his routes, even if he knows the ball won't be coming his way on certain plays? Or will he continue to loaf and half-ass it? I'm hoping for the latter.

alittlejazzbird
12-07-2007, 07:33 PM
Agreed - another thing on Moss - will he sell his routes, even if he knows the ball won't be coming his way on certain plays? Or will he continue to loaf and half-ass it? I'm hoping for the latter.

Me too. I've watched Moss play since his Marshall days (he loafed back then, too, BTW), and Ty Carter wasn't talking out of school when he said Moss hates to get hit; it's common knowledge. He's a true diva receiver, so whomever is covering him needs to get in every single legal hit possible. I'd love to see him on his backside a couple times, just so he knows he played a real team.

tony hipchest
12-07-2007, 07:47 PM
So, what does this all mean?

If LeBeau is ahead of Belichick, we may see different schemes than Philly or Baltimore. If they send Moss in motion or bunch receivers there is no way jamming at the line will work.

I love the chess match that this game provides. The question becomes which coordinator can see more moves into the game? The Steelers have had excellent gameplans against the Pats even in their losses, but they executed poorly.

great post and points, especially poor execution of good gameplans (specifically 01 champ game and 05 reg. season).

i thought philly and baltimore trying opposite approaches (#4) on 1st down, and both finding success was very interresting.

pats will try to correct that and the steelers will try to do the opposite of the corrections. but the pats will predict the steelers to do the opposite so they will do the opposite of the opposite...

and then 1 team will overthink itself and start to press.

all i know, is if the steelers are up by 17 in the 4th i sure would like to see a fake punt.

revefsreleets
12-07-2007, 08:42 PM
Can we get Hines to play the first 3 series lined up at CB over Moss?

Problem solved!

Hines0wnz
12-07-2007, 09:12 PM
Can we get Hines to play the first 3 series lined up at CB over Moss?

Problem solved!


Moss's face would be priceless. :sofunny:

HometownGal
12-07-2007, 09:31 PM
Moss's face would be priceless. :sofunny:

Nevermind his face - his body would feel like he had been run over by a truck. :thumbsup:

PatsFan2003
12-07-2007, 09:44 PM
The protection has been so outstanding against lesser teams that Brady has gotten spoiled. He'll adjust.

I agree about opening up the passing game to Gaffney and Watson. I would also like to see Maroney catch a few passes in the flat. He had two great runs against Baltimore. The Steeler D can't be everywhere.

The Pats offense will need to help out the D with more ball control. Sure if they can score on a big play that will help but it shouldn't be relied upon.

tony hipchest
12-07-2007, 10:32 PM
I agree about opening up the passing game to Gaffney and Watson. I would also like to see Maroney catch a few passes in the flat. He had two great runs against Baltimore. The Steeler D can't be everywhere.

.so the pats are gonna have gaffney, maroeny, watson, stallworth, welker, and moss on the field at the same time?

your right the steelers d cant be everywhere. especially on the patriots sidelines to cover brady on the bench.

or is brady in on that formation along with kyle brady, evans and faulk to block?

its an 11 on 11 game. i will take the steelers 11 on defense to go against the pats 11on offense any day.

tomlins secondary made the league mvp gannon and hof'ers jerry rice and tim brown look like fools on the biggest of stages.

i kinda like how he handles superbowl winning talent.

jjpro11
12-07-2007, 10:36 PM
The Pats offense will need to help out the D with more ball control. Sure if they can score on a big play that will help but it shouldn't be relied upon.

we've given up one play over 40+ yards all season.. and that was on a flea flicker at the opening of the jets game. so yeah, the big play most likely wont be there unless a defender falls down or something out of the ordinary.

tony hipchest
12-07-2007, 10:49 PM
we've given up one play over 40+ yards all season.. and that was on a flea flicker at the opening of the jets game. so yeah, the big play most likely wont be there unless a defender falls down or something out of the ordinary.i think the pats test us deep (perhaps with a trick play) early and often to see how true that stat will hold up.

if they can turn this game into a shootout without geting pounded early that is what they are going to do. i thin they will try to establish the run game and take alot of deep shots to moss as opposed to the dink and dunk, west coast, finesse, offense theyve been using. i dont think they wanna expose all of their weapons to that type of beating. if moss can get behind the defense he cant get hit and rb's get paid to get hit, (and why maroney gets paid to fall down).

billybob
12-08-2007, 01:24 AM
Nevermind his face - his body would feel like he had been run over by a truck. :thumbsup:

or by a bus!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Galax Steeler
12-08-2007, 05:15 AM
Me too. I've watched Moss play since his Marshall days (he loafed back then, too, BTW), and Ty Carter wasn't talking out of school when he said Moss hates to get hit; it's common knowledge. He's a true diva receiver, so whomever is covering him needs to get in every single legal hit possible. I'd love to see him on his backside a couple times, just so he knows he played a real team.

agreed:sofunny:

PatsFan2003
12-08-2007, 09:42 AM
so the pats are gonna have gaffney, maroeny, watson, stallworth, welker, and moss on the field at the same time?

your right the steelers d cant be everywhere. especially on the patriots sidelines to cover brady on the bench.

or is brady in on that formation along with kyle brady, evans and faulk to block?



Calm down, you're acting like someone who found a spelling error. :thud: The point is that the Pats will need to use the third level options including the tight end and the running back for the game...


its an 11 on 11 game. i will take the steelers 11 on defense to go against the pats 11on offense any day.

tomlins secondary made the league mvp gannon and hof'ers jerry rice and tim brown look like fools on the biggest of stages.

i kinda like how he handles superbowl winning talent


We'll see indeed. I don't think the Pats O will be shut down.

PatsFan2003
12-08-2007, 09:46 AM
we've given up one play over 40+ yards all season.. and that was on a flea flicker at the opening of the jets game. so yeah, the big play most likely wont be there unless a defender falls down or something out of the ordinary.


Right. I think they will concentrate on medium range passes to keep the chains moving with a few attempts at the long play (to keep the Steeler secondary honest)

ExtonSteelFan
12-08-2007, 09:54 AM
We'll see indeed. I don't think the Pats O will be shut down.

What do you mean by shut down? When I think of shut down, I think of no points on the board. No one here is predicting that. But if you study this match up, it's safe to say that your offense will be slowed down a bit. If the Eagles and Ravens can do it, the Steelers can do it 10x better. Whether the Steelers do or not remains to be seen, but this Steelers team is 100% capable of beating the Patriots on Sunday.

Either way, this is going to be a tough, physical game. It's going to be one in which the steelers need to play their A+ game to win it. If not, then it's going to be a long afternoon for them. Anyway, good luck to you guys and lets hope for a fun injury free game!

PatsFan2003
12-08-2007, 10:15 AM
What do you mean by shut down? When I think of shut down, I think of no points on the board. No one here is predicting that. But if you study this match up, it's safe to say that your offense will be slowed down a bit. If the Eagles and Ravens can do it, the Steelers can do it 10x better. Whether the Steelers do or not remains to be seen, but this Steelers team is 100% capable of beating the Patriots on Sunday.

Either way, this is going to be a tough, physical game. It's going to be one in which the steelers need to play their A+ game to win it. If not, then it's going to be a long afternoon for them. Anyway, good luck to you guys and lets hope for a fun injury free game!

Or even 10 points or under might be considered a "shutdown" by the Steelers against the Pats. I think the Pats will get their points. They still averaged 27 points against the Colts, Ravens and Eagles. Below their average but still pretty decent. I'm sure the Steeler D will be fine but I think the Pats will figure out a way to score. Will it be enough? That's my question.

I.P.T.
12-08-2007, 11:42 AM
What do you mean by shut down? When I think of shut down, I think of no points on the board. No one here is predicting that. But if you study this match up, it's safe to say that your offense will be slowed down a bit. If the Eagles and Ravens can do it, the Steelers can do it 10x better.
That is like saying if the Jets can beat Steelers,then the Pats can beat them by 10x as much.
Ravens and Eagles had nothing to lose,Steelers do.
The winds will be under 5MPH (quite different from conditions in Balt last Monday)with a few snow showers=advantage Patriots!

Whether the Steelers do or not remains to be seen, but this Steelers team is 100% capable of beating the Patriots on Sunday.


Agreed!

HometownGal
12-08-2007, 01:38 PM
The winds will be under 5MPH (quite different from conditions in Balt last Monday)with a few snow showers=advantage Patriots!


Obviously you've never been to Pittsbugh in December. Our boys are quite used to playing in the cold and snow.

Black@Gold Forever32
12-08-2007, 01:42 PM
Obviously you've never been to Pittsbugh in December. Our boys are quite used to playing in the cold and snow.

Thats what I was thinking HTG....lol What does that dude think the Steelers play in a Dome?:sofunny::sofunny::sofunny::sofunny: Both teams can play in crappy weather......The Steelers are not the Colts...lol

ExtonSteelFan
12-08-2007, 01:45 PM
That is like saying if the Jets can beat Steelers,then the Pats can beat them by 10x as much. Ravens and Eagles had nothing to lose,Steelers do.

The Jets only beat us by 3 points. Are the pats capable of beating the Steelers by 3 or more TD's? You bet they are, however unlikely that scenario is. If that were to happen Sunday, it would be a heck of a lot worse of a beat down than the Jets gave us! Maybe not 10x worse, but it would be close!

I think more than anything else, the Eagles and Ravens used the point spread as motivation for the game. I'm sure having nothing to loose came into play, but not as much as them feeling disrespected did. The Ravens and Eagles came out with the mindset that they can hang with anyone and they were going to prove it. I think this is the same mentality the Steelers will have on Sunday, however they aren't as much of an underdog as the Ravens and Eagles were.

ExtonSteelFan
12-08-2007, 01:49 PM
Or even 10 points or under might be considered a "shutdown" by the Steelers against the Pats. I think the Pats will get their points. They still averaged 27 points against the Colts, Ravens and Eagles. Below their average but still pretty decent. I'm sure the Steeler D will be fine but I think the Pats will figure out a way to score. Will it be enough? That's my question.

I too think the Pats will get their points as well. I'd be very impressed if our D were able to hold your guys to 21 or under.

PatsFan2003
12-08-2007, 02:08 PM
I too think the Pats will get their points as well. I'd be very impressed if our D were able to hold your guys to 21 or under.


I think the magic numbers are 20 and 30. The closer the Pats are to 20 (or below) the more likely a Steeler victory. The closer to 30, the more likely the Pats prevail.

I.P.T.
12-08-2007, 02:57 PM
Obviously you've never been to Pittsbugh in December. Our boys are quite used to playing in the cold and snow.
Thats what I was thinking HTG....lol What does that dude think the Steelers play in a Dome?:sofunny::sofunny::sofunny::sofunny: Both teams can play in crappy weather......The Steelers are not the Colts...lol
I think both of you are misunderstanding me.
I don't see the weather as being lousy sunday night.
No wind(as opposed to the mini hurricane last monday in Balt)means the Patriots can stretch the field further with their air attack.

HometownGal
12-08-2007, 03:22 PM
I think both of you are misunderstanding me.
I don't see the weather as being lousy sunday night.
No wind(as opposed to the mini hurricane last monday in Balt)means the Patriots can stretch the field further with their air attack.

I don't think it's going to matter one way or the other when all is said and done, IPT. The Cheatriots haven't gone up against the NFL's #1 secondary, the #1 D or the #1 DC. They may try to stretch the field, but I don't know that it is going to be successful. If Brady beats us with a long ball or two in the 1st Q, Lebeau will make the necessary adjustments and take that stretched field away. Don't say I didn't warn ya. :wink02: