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RoethlisBURGHer
12-18-2007, 11:43 PM
was doing some thinking about the future of this football team.

James Harrison was viewed as someone to plug a hole at ROLB until Timmons was ready take that position over. However, Harrison is having a monster season and is a starter for the AFC in the Pro Bowl.

Eventually the Steelers will come to a fork in the road....Timmons vs. Harrison. Do we move one to ILB? Do we trade one? Do we keep both and have tremendous depth at OLB? Which one is better suited to play inside?

Okay, my rambling is over.

Preacher
12-19-2007, 12:00 AM
was doing some thinking about the future of this football team.

James Harrison was viewed as someone to plug a hole at ROLB until Timmons was ready take that position over. However, Harrison is having a monster season and is a starter for the AFC in the Pro Bowl.

Eventually the Steelers will come to a fork in the road....Timmons vs. Harrison. Do we move one to ILB? Do we trade one? Do we keep both and have tremendous depth at OLB? Which one is better suited to play inside?

Okay, my rambling is over.

Absolutely... Move timmons to the inside... He has great pass coverage skills, so he can drop back in protection.

Borski
12-19-2007, 12:02 AM
James is a Monster, I vote to see how well Timmons can adjust and if he cant then we think of something else from there.

jjpro11
12-19-2007, 12:17 AM
i'd still like to see harrison try inside.. i just cant see him getting pushed around in there.

The Duke
12-19-2007, 12:32 AM
i'd still like to see harrison try inside.. i just cant see him getting pushed around in there.

Harrison on the inside doesn't sound bad at all. only thing that could damage him there is his size, but on the outside he's proved that's not a problem. right now seems like it depends where Timmons is better. but they gotta try him out soon, maybe in the ravens game with the division sealed up.......

FourThreeMafia
12-19-2007, 12:55 AM
Why would get rid of or trade either?

Harrison will be 30 next year. Timmons will only be 22. Timmons is more of a project. He has great ability, but is still very raw.

We desperately need a better interior pass rush. I think Timmons could provide that if he moved inside. Harrison wouldnt be a good fit inside, so scratch that idea.

CASTEEL
12-19-2007, 01:16 AM
Why would get rid of or trade either?

Harrison will be 30 next year. Timmons will only be 22. Timmons is more of a project. He has great ability, but is still very raw.

We desperately need a better interior pass rush. I think Timmons could provide that if he moved inside. Harrison wouldnt be a good fit inside, so scratch that idea.

I think I have to agree with this viewpoint.

While Harrison is having a great season, and the Steelers should most definitely keep him around - Timmons is future star and should be given a shot at inside before Harrison.....

just my tuppence.... :)

Da Steeler Soprano
12-19-2007, 03:05 AM
Who is this Timmons guy everyone is talking about????

ricksteelers55
12-19-2007, 03:37 AM
The way I see it Silverback is our ROLB but I could very well see Timmons starting LOLB next year if Haggans is leaving

Timmons could also play ILB if/when Farrior retires

and don't forget Woodley he can play OLB but also DE so I think we have good depth at LB's and it's good to see it.

But Im down with you guys that Id love to see Timmons seeing some action at ILB next year.

Galax Steeler
12-19-2007, 03:58 AM
I think timmons would be a better fit at ilb also with his size and speed.

stillers4me
12-19-2007, 05:12 AM
Who is this Timmons guy everyone is talking about????

Our first round draft pick.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-19-2007, 05:19 AM
Why would get rid of or trade either?

Harrison will be 30 next year. Timmons will only be 22. Timmons is more of a project. He has great ability, but is still very raw.

We desperately need a better interior pass rush. I think Timmons could provide that if he moved inside. Harrison wouldnt be a good fit inside, so scratch that idea.

How about a 4-3?.....Harrison/Timmons on the outside...Farrior or Foote on the inside (drafting a young ILB to replace them).....Smith/Woodley at DE...and Hoke/Hampton at DT....

...Now THERE is some serious pash rush!!!

coachspeak33
12-19-2007, 07:31 AM
How about a 4-3?.....Harrison/Timmons on the outside...Farrior or Foote on the inside (drafting a young ILB to replace them).....Smith/Woodley at DE...and Hoke/Hampton at DT....

...Now THERE is some serious pash rush!!!

what about Kiesel?????

We need to stop discussing Woodley at DE as a possibility ..... considering our current situation at DE, if Woodley was ever gonna contribute as a DE it would be now....Tomlin has came out and stated that he is a DE

As far as next season....it will be interesting.....we are gonna see quite a few changes in my opinion.....Farrior has played acceptable this season...and so has Foote but we did use our 1st two picks on LBs....

I think we are in for a very interesting off season

coachspeak33
12-19-2007, 07:33 AM
what about Kiesel?????

We need to stop discussing Woodley at DE as a possibility ..... considering our current situation at DE, if Woodley was ever gonna contribute as a DE it would be now....Tomlin has came out and stated that he is a DE

As far as next season....it will be interesting.....we are gonna see quite a few changes in my opinion.....Farrior has played acceptable this season...and so has Foote but we did use our 1st two picks on LBs....

I think we are in for a very interesting off season

NOT A DE.....my bad...

Steeldude
12-19-2007, 07:36 AM
i could be wrong, but i believe the RILB position is not as active in coverage as the LILB. moving harrison there shouldn't be a problem. his size shouldn't be a problem either. he is heavier than foote and an inch smaller in height. he is also a hell of a lot stronger and more aggressive than foote. harrison could be like bell when he had that strong season at RILB before he tapered off.

i say try both out to see who excels the most at each position.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-19-2007, 08:19 AM
what about Kiesel?????

We need to stop discussing Woodley at DE as a possibility ..... considering our current situation at DE, if Woodley was ever gonna contribute as a DE it would be now....Tomlin has came out and stated that he is a DE

As far as next season....it will be interesting.....we are gonna see quite a few changes in my opinion.....Farrior has played acceptable this season...and so has Foote but we did use our 1st two picks on LBs....

I think we are in for a very interesting off season

Actually in the 4-3 I was describing you would need a BOTH type of DE's...a stronger, larger pass rushing DE like Kiesel...and a faster pass rusher like Woodley....We could even put Smith inside with Hampton at DT due to his strength ...and because Kiesel is actually more athletically suited to play DE in a 4-3

Woodley is not suited to play 3-4 DE...since their main role is to tie up blockers...but in a 4-3 he could be a BEAST...like the Colt's Freeney.

Of course this is all "what if"...and there is probably a better chance that our LB corp in a couple of years will consist of Timmons/Woodley at OLB and a 2008 draft choice at ILB.

coachspeak33
12-19-2007, 08:42 AM
yeah the switch to the 4-3 will probably happen at some point....2008 seems a tad too early for me as we still have 3-4 personnel.

Harrison playing so well makes it difficult to get Woodley and Timmons playing time...a good problem to have, no doubt, but still an obstacle nonetheless

If timmons can play inside that would be nice....he would replace Farrior and then maybe you go to the 4-3 when Foote's time ends....pure speculation on my part.

It sucks to say this, but I feel like this team/organization has no identity right now.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-19-2007, 08:53 AM
yeah the switch to the 4-3 will probably happen at some point....2008 seems a tad too early for me as we still have 3-4 personnel.

Harrison playing so well makes it difficult to get Woodley and Timmons playing time...a good problem to have, no doubt, but still an obstacle nonetheless

If timmons can play inside that would be nice....he would replace Farrior and then maybe you go to the 4-3 when Foote's time ends....pure speculation on my part.

It sucks to say this, but I feel like this team/organization has no identity right now.

Timmons moving inside is a possiblity and I hae wondered if it would happen myself...however, I have to remind myself that Harrison is 29, and this draft would be the perfect time to draft a young LBer so that we have three studs in ...say...3 years.

Steeldude
12-19-2007, 08:58 AM
i think kiesel should be a cap casualty. what does he really do for $4,072,500? i really don't see anything extraordinary out of him to justify the cap hit. i realize there has been some kiesel hype over the last two seasons, but again "why"? a person could say "we have a great run defense" that's why. well is he really the reason or genuine part of the reason for the run defense? or is he just an average DE filling a position?

perhaps if the steelers move to a 4-3 he would be more that salary. as of now i just don't see it in the 3-4. that's just my worthless take on it :smile:

keisel - $4,072,500 - if cut after 06/01 he will only cost $822,500 against the cap for a savings of $3,250,000.

coachspeak33
12-19-2007, 09:44 AM
I personally dont want to see Kiesel get cut....but along those same lines....

There are a number of candidates whom I could see benefitting the team by getting cut.

The problem is that most of the time the Front office doesnt bring in replacements that can perform at a sufficient level when they do bite the bullet and cut somebody

Usually we find replacements on our depth chart...Harrison, Foote, Hoke, Kiesel, etc are guys that have adequately replaced starters over the last couple of seasons

The guys behind Kiesel arent ready to contribute at his level...IMO

The guys we have went out and acquired through FA or other means have mostly been disappointments IMO...Mahan, Wilson, Staley....not exactly confidence inspiring

IMO we spend too much time on projects like N. Washington and I would even include a guy like W Colon (seems as if we have out-thought ourselves a bit w/ him....as I wouldnt classify him as a huge upgrade over Starks)

Atlanta Dan
12-19-2007, 09:46 AM
I think I have to agree with this viewpoint.

While Harrison is having a great season, and the Steelers should most definitely keep him around - Timmons is future star and should be given a shot at inside before Harrison.....

just my tuppence.... :)

What has Timmons shown you that makes him a future star?

Atlanta Dan
12-19-2007, 09:48 AM
Timmons moving inside is a possiblity and I hae wondered if it would happen myself...however, I have to remind myself that Harrison is 29, and this draft would be the perfect time to draft a young LBer so that we have three studs in ...say...3 years.

Afterr taking 2 LB picks at the top of last year's draft another high LB pick is not going to happen in 2008 unless the plan is to convert that player to OL.

coachspeak33
12-19-2007, 09:58 AM
Afterr taking 2 LB picks at the top of last year's draft another high LB pick is not going to happen in 2008 unless the plan is to convert that player to OL.

couldnt have said it better myself atlanta Dan

We probably will draft around the 20-spot this year....last year Joe staley was taken by the 9ers around that spot....would a guy like that solve our problems??? to be honest I am not sure.

As much as it seems that selecting a OL is a slam dunk....I am concerned about the WR position. whether we all like it or not, our identity on Offense has transitioned from a running team to a throwing team

ask yourself...how many passing teams in the NFL would utilize Nate Washington & C Wilson as their #3 and 4 WRs....probably not too many

we cant win by relying on Bens passing if his weapons are so....I hate to say this....TALENT-LESS....not that they are worthless or anything....but they are not legitimate options as WRs in a pass happy offense

how high on the list of priorities is the WR position on draft day?

personally I would rather see them invest in a FA WR due to the development yrs most young WRs go through....but our bargain bin shopping in FA leaves little to be desired

Atlanta Dan
12-19-2007, 10:08 AM
couldnt have said it better myself atlanta Dan

We probably will draft around the 20-spot this year....last year Joe staley was taken by the 9ers around that spot....would a guy like that solve our problems??? to be honest I am not sure.

As much as it seems that selecting a OL is a slam dunk....I am concerned about the WR position. whether we all like it or not, our identity on Offense has transitioned from a running team to a throwing team

ask yourself...how many passing teams in the NFL would utilize Nate Washington & C Wilson as their #3 and 4 WRs....probably not too many

we cant win by relying on Bens passing if his weapons are so....I hate to say this....TALENT-LESS....not that they are worthless or anything....but they are not legitimate options as WRs in a pass happy offense

how high on the list of priorities is the WR position on draft day?

personally I would rather see them invest in a FA WR due to the development yrs most young WRs go through....but our bargain bin shopping in FA leaves little to be desired

You could have Randy Moss and Terrell Owens running patterns but if Ben is constantly running for his life and banged up by mid-season it will not matter who is at WR.

Add to that the Steelerws mixed bag with #1 picks at WR (Edwards, Burress, Holmes) or for that matter any WR picks (Fred Gibson at #4:dang:) and I shudder at burning more high picks at WR.

A real problem is the high round "project" picks that have not panned out - Steelers need to pick several OL from name brand schools in this year's higher rounds

Davison_K
12-19-2007, 10:18 AM
Why would get rid of or trade either?

Harrison will be 30 next year. Timmons will only be 22. Timmons is more of a project. He has great ability, but is still very raw.

:iagree: Unless you see Timmons moved inside, I don't foresee really any huge changes to our ROLB. I think LOLB will definitely be Woodley, but says that Timmons and Woodley don't compeat for LOLB?

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-19-2007, 10:32 AM
Afterr taking 2 LB picks at the top of last year's draft another high LB pick is not going to happen in 2008 unless the plan is to convert that player to OL.

Actually I was hoping we may pick up Travelle Wharton from the Carolina Panthers, use our first pick on a stud OL...and then use our 2nd and 3rd picks to shore up weak areas...and positions where we are aging.

I've gone on record as saying that we could afford Ben...and pick up a quality OL if we just let our free agents next year go....Brian St. Pierre, Dan Kreider, Alan Faneca, Chris Kemoeatu, Trai Essex, Max Starks,& Nick Eason...at a savings of more than 7 million
I also would like to see if any one is stupid enough to take Cedric Wilson...either in a trade...or JUST OFF OUR HANDS!!!...and we could pick up a WR like Brandon Lloyd.

coachspeak33
12-19-2007, 10:39 AM
Actually I was hoping we may pick up Travelle Wharton from the Carolina Panthers, use our first pick on a stud OL...and then use our 2nd and 3rd picks to shore up weak areas...and positions where we are aging.

I've gone on record as saying that we could afford Ben...and pick up a quality OL if we just let our free agents next year go....Brian St. Pierre, Dan Kreider, Alan Faneca, Chris Kemoeatu, Trai Essex, Max Starks,& Nick Eason...at a savings of more than 7 million
I also would like to see if any one is stupid enough to take Cedric Wilson...either in a trade...or JUST OFF OUR HANDS!!!...and we could pick up a WR like Brandon Lloyd.

this could work :thumbsup:

I just dont trust the FO with FA. Either we cant evaluate FA talent or the purse strings are too tight.

so cutting guys that we cant replace from within is SCAREY:jawdrop:

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-19-2007, 10:43 AM
this could work :thumbsup:

I just dont trust the FO with FA. Either we cant evaluate FA talent or the purse strings are too tight.

so cutting guys that we cant replace from within is SCAREY:jawdrop:

Out of all those guys...I might want to keep Kemo...although his inability to crack the starting lineup THIS year is scary.

FourThreeMafia
12-19-2007, 01:21 PM
People need to pull back with the 4-3 talk. I can almost guarantee we wont go to a 4-3 base for at least 2-3 years. Casey Hampton is strictly a 3-4 NT. Aaron Smith could probably play DT in the 4-3. Woodley could become a down lineman, but I dont see great things if that happens.

As of right now, to run a successful 4-3 base, we would need:

1 pass rushing DT
1 pass rushing DE, but Id actually say 2 since I dont think Woodley would be great as a 4-3 DE in the NFL.
MIKE LB, we currently dont have any great options that could play the middle in the 4-3.
Timmons is versatile, so he could play Sam or Will. Right now, Timmons would probably play Will and Harrison Sam, but Harrison is too slow to play coverage on a consistant basis.

4-3 isnt going to happen for awhile, because A) LeBeau isnt going anywhere that we know of, and B) we just dont have the personnel.

Atlanta Dan
12-19-2007, 01:29 PM
Out of all those guys...I might want to keep Kemo...although his inability to crack the starting lineup THIS year is scary.

I have heard (maybe on this board) that Kemo cannot remember the plays - i agree that any OL who is not getting a chance at starting this year has major issues

stlrtruck
12-19-2007, 01:42 PM
Looking at the two, I'd try to move Harrison inside and let Timmons roam the outside. His speed can help cover the flats or given him a better push to the QB - but those are just my thoughts.

Sharkissle29
12-19-2007, 01:45 PM
Is it just me, or has anybody notice Timmons on special teams? This guy is always around the football....I think he could be something special for us at LB

SteelersJW
12-19-2007, 06:34 PM
Yeah, true that. Timmons would be a great MLB, at least better than Harrison.

Rhee Rhee
12-20-2007, 10:46 AM
timmons is athletic enough that he can be a patrick willlis type of player in a 3-4 or a brian urlacher in a 4-3 (basically move timmons to ILB!)

Dino 6 Rings
12-20-2007, 02:30 PM
Harrison actually learned the back up role for all the linebacker positions. That's why he's been on the team so long, he was able to back up everyone. I'm pretty sure he actually had played inside for us before in a game or two. He's better, and is more comfortable on the outside. Timmons is a more natural inside linebacker.

dunkuntou
12-20-2007, 03:11 PM
Timmons has been working a little bit on the inside already. You won't see him in a game this season on the inside but he has been getting some reps there

coachspeak33
12-20-2007, 06:17 PM
i think timmons speed will be a huge asset as an Inside LB....he could be versatile enough in pass coverage to cover TE or most slot WRs in the league....he played at DB during preseason....hopefully the coaches can find a way to use his explosiveness....he has shown a decent amount of that on STs this year

I just hope that isnt all he brings to the table.....

Timmons potential + Footes age and frugal contract + Farriors age and contract =
As much as I hate to say it cuz I think he still has a lot left in the tank....Potsy might have only a few games left as a Steeler (anyone know Farriors contract situation?)