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zoneblitz43
12-30-2007, 05:52 PM
Terrible performance. With a win we would have the #3 seed, SD looks like they will win and we will lose. Apparently the playoffs are not terribly important to this team.

fansince'76
12-30-2007, 05:52 PM
Onside kick - why not, what the hell?

Preacher
12-30-2007, 05:52 PM
TH...

did you get my PM yesterday?

It went wierd...so i wasn't sure.

SteelCityMan786
12-30-2007, 05:53 PM
This game is just rediculous. There is no reason our defense should be giving up plays like this! I'm so sick of the D this season. If we want to have any hopes of going anywhere in the playoffs, we better get our acts together!

and fast.

eafratitpm3
12-30-2007, 05:53 PM
Then I guess you started following the team in 2004 - the defense was horrible in 1999, 2002, and 2003

Maybe against the pass, have you ever seen a Steeler D get rushed on this bad. It's down right embarrasing. They have no emotion. How can you come into a game against a division rival (4-11 none the less), the week before a playoff game and get it handed to you. I heard Phil Simms say something earlier that finally made some sense. He said this may be a good thing for the Steelers. Coming into Baltimore and getting it handed to them and the loss to Jax a couple of weeks ago if this doesn't make the Steelers an angry football team then it wasn't meant to be.

Let me apologize in advance for the ranting but I'm a very P.O'd fan.

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
12-30-2007, 05:53 PM
shit all we need is 2 touchdowns to win. :bouncy:

fansince'76
12-30-2007, 05:53 PM
Terrible performance. With a win we would have the #3 seed, SD looks like they will win and we will lose. Apparently the playoffs are not terribly important to this team.

If SD wins, it wouldn't matter if we won or lost this game, we'd still be the #4 seed.

Atlanta Dan
12-30-2007, 05:53 PM
Terrible performance. With a win we would have the #3 seed, SD looks like they will win and we will lose. Apparently the playoffs are not terribly important to this team.

Ummm - if the Chargers won it did not matter what the Steelers did

steveironcity
12-30-2007, 05:54 PM
Got the onside kick!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GutterflowerSteel
12-30-2007, 05:54 PM
yeaaah onside kick!

BlastFurnace
12-30-2007, 05:54 PM
Onside kick - why not, what the hell?

Do you know lottery numbers as well?

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
12-30-2007, 05:54 PM
good call on the onside kick fansince76

shevdog
12-30-2007, 05:54 PM
Whooo.... Glad I'm wrong. Maybe some hope in this game!

Preacher
12-30-2007, 05:54 PM
WOW..............


Great call FS!!!!


This may be a game still!!

jjpro11
12-30-2007, 05:54 PM
woohoo! nice kick reed!

SteelerFan091472
12-30-2007, 05:54 PM
Great job on the onside kick.

madsteelerfan51
12-30-2007, 05:54 PM
wOO got the onsite kick :cheer:

Dynasty
12-30-2007, 05:54 PM
NICE JOB NATE!

steveironcity
12-30-2007, 05:54 PM
Onside kick - why not, what the hell?

You called that

Preacher
12-30-2007, 05:55 PM
Timmons keeps playing some good physical ball.

fansince'76
12-30-2007, 05:55 PM
Maybe against the pass, have you ever seen a Steeler D get rushed on this bad. It's down right embarrasing.

Yes, home opener 2002 vs. the Chiefs - Priest Holmes made us his bitches all day.

touchdownward
12-30-2007, 05:56 PM
That was the EXACT same play I think we beat Cincy on last year in the last game!

A pic to go along with your sig.
:tt02:
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/peter_king/03/18/overtime/p1_holmes.jpg

Preacher
12-30-2007, 05:56 PM
I would PEE MYSELF if we come back and win this.

Dynasty
12-30-2007, 05:56 PM
carey davis with the nice run... gain of 8

Atlanta Dan
12-30-2007, 05:56 PM
Maybe against the pass, have you ever seen a Steeler D get rushed on this bad. It's down right embarrasing. They have no emotion. How can you come into a game against a division rival (4-11 none the less), the week before a playoff game and get it handed to you. I heard Phil Simms say something earlier that finally made some sense. He said this may be a good thing for the Steelers. Coming into Baltimore and getting it handed to them and the loss to Jax a couple of weeks ago if this doesn't make the Steelers an angry football team then it wasn't meant to be.

Let me apologize in advance for the ranting but I'm a very P.O'd fan.

No need to apologize:cheers:

I agree the run D is as bad as I can recall - I was referring to the bend then break Tim Lewis D of 2002-03 when there was no need to run because seemingly every pass was completed

Preacher
12-30-2007, 05:56 PM
A pic to go along with your sig.
:tt02:
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/peter_king/03/18/overtime/p1_holmes.jpg

:sofunny:

BlastFurnace
12-30-2007, 05:56 PM
good call on the onside kick fansince76

I'd like to see Fan76 on our coaching staff.

eafratitpm3
12-30-2007, 05:57 PM
IMO the most important thing about this game today was for our D to step it up and they didn't. It looks like San Diego is going to win so the win wouldn't have mattered anyway. Our D just needed some momentum going into next week. I think they are now more mentally down now then they were before.

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 05:57 PM
is everyone applauding our finest special teams play of the year?

Preacher
12-30-2007, 05:57 PM
15 yards....!

fansince'76
12-30-2007, 05:58 PM
I'd like to see Fan76 on our coaching staff.

LOL - no, you wouldn't, trust me. :toofunny:

BlastFurnace
12-30-2007, 05:58 PM
We got a Patriot type penalty on that one.

cubanstogie
12-30-2007, 05:58 PM
carey davis with the nice run... gain of 8

we need him next week, Davenport goes down like a cheap *****. Davis would be my choice for short yardage.

Dynasty
12-30-2007, 05:58 PM
haloti ngata "roughing the passer"... not that im unhappy that penalty was caleld but it seemed very questionable

Preacher
12-30-2007, 05:58 PM
How in the world does Batch have that much time?

cubanstogie
12-30-2007, 05:58 PM
we need him next week, Davenport goes down like a cheap *****. Davis would be my choice for short yardage.

prostitute was the word I should have used

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 05:59 PM
Terrible performance. With a win we would have the #3 seed, SD looks like they will win and we will lose. Apparently the playoffs are not terribly important to this team.your wrong. check your facts on winning the 3 seed.

Preacher
12-30-2007, 05:59 PM
OH... Rushing 3

cubanstogie
12-30-2007, 05:59 PM
How in the world does Batch have that much time?

ironic that our line has actually played decent today.

eafratitpm3
12-30-2007, 06:00 PM
Yes, home opener 2002 vs. the Chiefs - Priest Holmes made us his bitches all day.

Okay 1 game not half the season. By the way the most important half.

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 06:00 PM
wow

miller is still in the game?

why the hell wasnt he used in the 1st 3 quarters?

Dynasty
12-30-2007, 06:00 PM
uggh... 35 for 179.... and a 5.1 average. thats brutal for any D, especitally for a good one

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:00 PM
dANG IT.........


HOLMES......DONT BE HURT.

fansince'76
12-30-2007, 06:01 PM
prostitute was the word I should have used

How about "hoor?" :toofunny:

touchdownward
12-30-2007, 06:01 PM
Holmes is hurt, this is awful.

BlastFurnace
12-30-2007, 06:01 PM
I sure hope Santonio is ok.

That is the last thing we need.

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:01 PM
I think he just shook it up.. he'll be ok.

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 06:01 PM
we need a draw on 3rd and 2

GutterflowerSteel
12-30-2007, 06:02 PM
GO FOR IT!

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 06:02 PM
fade to reid. lol. :dang:

BlastFurnace
12-30-2007, 06:02 PM
Once again, Willie Reid has sealed his fate.

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:03 PM
what a throw and cacth.

Dynasty
12-30-2007, 06:03 PM
shit... holmes is injured. thats bnot good


REID WITH THE TOUCHDOWN!!!!! THAT HE DROPPED!!!!

BUT WILSON COMES UP WITH IT!!!

edit: too much exciting stuff happened in the time it takes to post when u have slow wifi at a hotel, so i made it into 1 post

cubanstogie
12-30-2007, 06:03 PM
nice catch, Reid should be cut tomorrow!

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:04 PM
OK.

Kick it deep.. take your Defense... and tell them that they will win or lose the game for you.

MAKE THEM SHOW UP.

SteelCityMan786
12-30-2007, 06:04 PM
TOUCHDOWN CEDRICK WILSON

REED'S KICK IS GOOD
Steelers are now within 1 DRIVE 27-21

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 06:04 PM
kick it deep and make our defense earn their keep.

fansince'76
12-30-2007, 06:04 PM
Well, if nothing else, we at least made a game out of it in the end.

steveironcity
12-30-2007, 06:05 PM
Cinderella comeback?

eafratitpm3
12-30-2007, 06:05 PM
Is it me or is Kiesel just taking up space, as big as he is he gets manhandled every game.

Atlanta Dan
12-30-2007, 06:05 PM
A three and out here might give the D something to build on for next week - if the Ravens move the ball here it is yet another sign this D is shot

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
12-30-2007, 06:05 PM
Nice kick Jeff

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:05 PM
Tomlin is TICKED....

Wooohooo.. I like seeing that for some reason. Yet he still seems controlled.

cubanstogie
12-30-2007, 06:06 PM
A three and out here might give the D something to build on for next week - if the Ravens move the ball here it is yet another sign this D is shot

:thumbsup: nail on the head

MACH1
12-30-2007, 06:06 PM
Were going to lose a timeout:dang:

steveironcity
12-30-2007, 06:07 PM
thats a touchback

Dynasty
12-30-2007, 06:07 PM
man thats a tough call... should he challenge and risk losing a TO... or not challengeand risk losing 2 points and the ball back

cubanstogie
12-30-2007, 06:07 PM
are the coaches upstairs blind. It was close but easy call.

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:07 PM
Is it me or is Kiesel just taking up space, as big as he is he gets manhandled every game.

I find it interesting that everyone is starting to post... at least neutral, or a little positive.

And your still posting negative.

That is why many get frustrated.

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 06:08 PM
chargers will win as oakland just turns it over.

nice challenge by tomlin though. good awareness of the rules.

lets go get em and get the win regardless :tt02:

BlastFurnace
12-30-2007, 06:08 PM
Good to see Santonio standing and talking with Batch on the sideline.

eafratitpm3
12-30-2007, 06:08 PM
Well, if nothing else, we at least made a game out of it in the end.

Yeah but making a game out of it doesn't help in a playoff game.

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 06:08 PM
musa smith needs to fumble

steveironcity
12-30-2007, 06:09 PM
nail in the coffin

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:09 PM
that is what we DIDNT need.

fansince'76
12-30-2007, 06:09 PM
Yeah but making a game out of it doesn't help in a playoff game.

No, but it helps the week before the playoffs when you're getting blown out by 20 late.

BlastFurnace
12-30-2007, 06:09 PM
1st down. Good grief defense.

Still a lot of starters out there too.

Atlanta Dan
12-30-2007, 06:10 PM
:thumbsup: nail on the head

Nail in the coffin - this D is bad

SteelCityMan786
12-30-2007, 06:10 PM
Need the D to finish it.

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:10 PM
Nice job D. Lets see what we can do now!

Dynasty
12-30-2007, 06:10 PM
bad time to use the TO

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 06:10 PM
Yeah but making a game out of it doesn't help in a playoff game.neither does playing in december. thsi is essentially a meaningless game where we are resting our starters. we arent eliminated yet.

SteelCityMan786
12-30-2007, 06:11 PM
NICE WORK POTSIE!

Dynasty
12-30-2007, 06:11 PM
FARRIOR!!!

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:11 PM
Nice hit Farrior.

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:12 PM
neither does playing in december. thsi is essentially a meaningless game where we are resting our starters. we arent eliminated yet.

thank you.

Atlanta Dan
12-30-2007, 06:12 PM
Well - third and long - this is where Jax killed on the draw 2 weeks ago

If only for pride the D needs to stop a backup QB and backup RB here

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 06:13 PM
2:00 to go.

if you ask me, this will be one of the biggest 3rd down plays our defense faces this year.

time to play situational football and give the offense an opportunity to answer the challenge.

madsteelerfan51
12-30-2007, 06:13 PM
WOO that should be on jacked up, way to go Farrior :tt02::helmet:

jjpro11
12-30-2007, 06:13 PM
very nice comeback.. win or lose. they could have rolled over and died at halftime.

eafratitpm3
12-30-2007, 06:13 PM
neither does playing in december. thsi is essentially a meaningless game where we are resting our starters. we arent eliminated yet.

I think the only starter we were resting on the D was Troy, correct me if I am mistaken. Momentum and confidence are big keys to winning.

fansince'76
12-30-2007, 06:13 PM
Well - third and long - this is where Jax killed on the draw 2 weeks ago

If only for pride the D needs to stop a backup QB and backup RB here

Yep - this is the game right here.

cubanstogie
12-30-2007, 06:13 PM
in a couple of hours, everyone is 0-0 or sitting at home watching. We are still ok.

Atlanta Dan
12-30-2007, 06:14 PM
Smart call

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:14 PM
Well - third and long - this is where Jax killed on the draw 2 weeks ago

If only for pride the D needs to stop a backup QB and backup RB here

Well... Good call.

BlastFurnace
12-30-2007, 06:14 PM
A chance to win this pathetic game....unbelievable.

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 06:14 PM
finally a 3rd and 13 draw play that DOESNT work

cubanstogie
12-30-2007, 06:14 PM
I think the only starter we were resting on the D was Troy, correct me if I am mistaken. Momentum and confidence are big keys to winning.

haven't seen Harrison much either

Dynasty
12-30-2007, 06:14 PM
aight were getting it back with just under 2 minutes... did the annoncer say we have no timeouts left?

SteelCityMan786
12-30-2007, 06:15 PM
89 yards, but we can do it.

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:15 PM
OK offense.

Let's see what we can do.

fansince'76
12-30-2007, 06:15 PM
Momentum and confidence are big keys to winning.

Exactly - which is why coming back and making a competitive game out of a game we were getting blown out in well into the 4th quarter is important - the team just didn't lay down and die.

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 06:16 PM
the way our offensive line is, batch may find himself in this position in the playoffs. this is a good test.

a flag is not a good answer to this test.

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:16 PM
How is that Int.G. when they ere was a reciever coming out to the ball?

Never mind. THe RB wasn't that close.

Dynasty
12-30-2007, 06:16 PM
what the f**k!? no way that should have been a penalty

SteelCityMan786
12-30-2007, 06:17 PM
HE ****ING HAD HIM.

steveironcity
12-30-2007, 06:17 PM
bullshit call

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:18 PM
Santo holmes has really become impressive...

Nice throw Batch.

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 06:18 PM
good to see holmes back in there

BlastFurnace
12-30-2007, 06:18 PM
Nice play Holmes.

SteelCityMan786
12-30-2007, 06:18 PM
Batch should have just RAN IT!

Dynasty
12-30-2007, 06:18 PM
YOU SUCK BATCH!!!

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:18 PM
DANG IT.

Atlanta Dan
12-30-2007, 06:19 PM
A common pattern in several losses (Denver, Jets, Jags, today) was the team rallying late - in 3 of those losses (Denver, Jets, today) IMO the team simply came out flat

I do not think a coach can will a team to victory but for whatever reason the team has not been ready to go

Preacher
12-30-2007, 06:19 PM
WOW.

HOLMES.....

I gotta take this to another thread.

BlastFurnace
12-30-2007, 06:19 PM
Really poor decision Batch. You had 10 yards in front of you and a chance to run out of bounds.

You should know better.

steveironcity
12-30-2007, 06:20 PM
YOU SUCK BATCH!!!

Thats why hes the backup. And a pretty damn good back up he is.

SteelCityMan786
12-30-2007, 06:20 PM
This is what happens when you spot teams 27 points.

Atlanta Dan
12-30-2007, 06:21 PM
I guessed right

Jax - Pitt play Saturday night

eafratitpm3
12-30-2007, 06:23 PM
A common pattern in several losses (Denver, Jets, Jags, today) was the team rallying late - in 3 of those losses (Denver, Jets, today) IMO the team simply came out flat

I do not think a coach can will a team to victory but for whatever reason the team has not been ready to go

I agree 100% this team for some reason since the AZ game hasn't came to play for a full 60 minutes in any game. The Defense hasn't even played a full 30 minute game. You owuld think at some point that their pride would at least get them pissed off.

jjpro11
12-30-2007, 06:23 PM
I guessed right

Jax - Pitt play Saturday night

good.. no more simms and nantz.

fansince'76
12-30-2007, 06:23 PM
I guessed right

Jax - Pitt play Saturday night

Your 10-6 prediction for the team this year was spot-on as well. :cheers: (Mine was 11-5)

ShutDown24
12-30-2007, 06:23 PM
That game ended in a good effort. I can't complain.

Atlanta Dan
12-30-2007, 06:25 PM
That game ended in a good effort. I can't complain.

The run D was still horrible

Assuming Starks & Holmes are OK - next play

SteelCityMan786
12-30-2007, 06:25 PM
I guessed right

Jax - Pitt play Saturday night

Thankfully I have to wear my Farrior Shirt that night. It's a BLACK ONE!

steelpride12
12-30-2007, 06:26 PM
That TD to Holmes reminded me of when he scored to finish off the Bengals in overtime last year.
He is just naturally good at that play breaking about 2 tackles.

Glace
12-30-2007, 06:28 PM
Regardless of how much we all hate the Ravens....

I gotta tip my hat to Jon Ogden. He's had a long and successful career, and tonight was about a 99.999% chance of being his last game.

Ogden - I hate you....but you had a great run. I enjoyed watching us compete against you...and beat you on multiple occasions (except for tonight...)

There's always something sad about a premiere player calling it quits at the end of their career....no matter who they play for.

fansince88
12-30-2007, 06:30 PM
Ok will anyone agree with me that Mike Tomlin is not as good of a coach as he is made out to be?

Atlanta Dan
12-30-2007, 06:31 PM
Regardless of how much we all hate the Ravens....

I gotta tip my hat to Jon Ogden. He's had a long and successful career, and tonight was about a 99.999% chance of being his last game.

Ogden - I hate you....but you had a great run. I enjoyed watching us compete against you...and beat you on multiple occasions (except for tonight...)

There's always something sad about a premiere player calling it quits at the end of their career....no matter who they play for.

As Simms said, props to Ogden for getting out before it impaired his future quality of life

Not every player knows wen it is time to say goodbye

:thumbsup:

Glace
12-30-2007, 06:32 PM
I saw something tonight I haven't seen much of this year....

Tomlin running onto the field yelling at the refs....clearly reading his lips saying "BULLSHIT!"...lol

I even saw him yelling at his players a few times.

I liked it!!! Fire! Enthusiasm!!

steveironcity
12-30-2007, 06:33 PM
Ok will anyone agree with me that Mike Tomlin is not as good of a coach as he is made out to be?

Well, i guess im the only one who will cut slack to a FIRST YEAR HEAD COACH. We are going to the playoffs for gods sake. We were dismal last year, coming off a SB win with a 15 year Head coach. But Tomlin is supposed to be like Noll circa 1978?

Atlanta Dan
12-30-2007, 06:34 PM
Ok will anyone agree with me that Mike Tomlin is not as good of a coach as he is made out to be?

Doubtful - are you saying he should not have been hired?

Preseason this team was regarded as a 9-7 team by most - winning the division is no minor accomplishment even with the collapse of the Ravens and Bengals

Other than hiring Arians as OC :smile: what has Tomlin done that distresses you as clearly wrong?

GutterflowerSteel
12-30-2007, 06:34 PM
I saw something tonight I haven't seen much of this year....

Tomlin running onto the field yelling at the refs....clearly reading his lips saying "BULLSHIT!"...lol

I even saw him yelling at his players a few times.

I liked it!!! Fire! Enthusiasm!!
I saw that, too - he was stirred up :helmet:

SteelCityMan786
12-30-2007, 06:34 PM
Ok will anyone agree with me that Mike Tomlin is not as good of a coach as he is made out to be?

Hell No. I can name you rookie head coaches/ rookie and resigned head coaches that would have loved to be in Tomlin's Shoes

(Coughs Bobby Petrino Coughs)
(Coughs Lane Kiffin Coughs)
(Coughs Cam Cameron Coughs)

Edman
12-30-2007, 06:36 PM
Who wants to bet if that were Ben out there we might've pulled this out?

Oh well, that's our regular season. 10-6 and that's not bad. Even if the Steelers did win, it wouldn't matter. We'd still have to play Jacksonville. San Diego won.

The Defense...what happened to it?

steveironcity
12-30-2007, 06:38 PM
Who wants to bet if that were Ben out there we might've pulled this out?

Oh well, that's our regular season. 10-6 and that's not bad. Even if the Steelers did win, it wouldn't matter. We'd still have to play Jacksonville. San Diego won.

The Defense...what happened to it?

Would the win be worth it if ben got hurt?

MasterOfPuppets
12-30-2007, 06:39 PM
Ok will anyone agree with me that Mike Tomlin is not as good of a coach as he is made out to be?wow !!! it's the mans first freakin year !!! did you exspect a sb, after last years disaster??? give the guy a chance to get some new players and adjust the line up ,before you start calling for his head !!!

fansince88
12-30-2007, 06:39 PM
Doubtful - are you saying he should not have been hired?

Preseason this team was regarded as a 9-7 team by most - winning the division is no minor accomplishment even with the collapse of the Ravens and Bengals

Other than hiring Arians as OC :smile: what has Tomlin done that distresses you as clearly wrong?

No I'm not saying he shouldn't have been hired and I'm not trying to disrespect him. I know we are in the playoffs and that we won the division. I just feel that he makes bad play calls more often then not and I really dislike the lack of emotion. But I do respect him for helping to turn the team around, I just feel that if he were coaching anywhere else he would not be in this position. Our players are the reason we have gotten this far.

fansince88
12-30-2007, 06:42 PM
Who wants to bet if that were Ben out there we might've pulled this out?

Oh well, that's our regular season. 10-6 and that's not bad. Even if the Steelers did win, it wouldn't matter. We'd still have to play Jacksonville. San Diego won.

The Defense...what happened to it?

Yes if Ben was out there we might have won but I'd rather him be healthy for next weeks playoff game. But don't knock Batch, I think he did very well for this being his first start of the year.

tony hipchest
12-30-2007, 06:42 PM
A common pattern in several losses (Denver, Jets, Jags, today) was the team rallying late - in 3 of those losses (Denver, Jets, today) IMO the team simply came out flat

I do not think a coach can will a team to victory but for whatever reason the team has not been ready to go
you have to admit the 04 and 05 seasons were built upon, and won on, emotion and bravado.

that is clearly not the tomlin way.

"business as usual" and "coming out and playing our game" simply isnt working in these instances.

fansince'76
12-30-2007, 06:44 PM
No I'm not saying he shouldn't have been hired and I'm not trying to disrespect him. I know we are in the playoffs and that we won the division.

And we were out of the hunt by Halloween last year with a 15-year veteran SB-winning HC with essentially the same players. 'Nuff said.

fansince88
12-30-2007, 06:47 PM
And we were out of the hunt by Halloween last year with a 15-year veteran SB-winning HC with essentially the same players. 'Nuff said.

Hey I'm not trying to get on anyone's bad side. I was only voicing my opinion. But what do ya say we hold up our glasses and hope for the best come next week? :cheers:

fansince'76
12-30-2007, 06:49 PM
Hey I'm not trying to get on anyone's bad side. I was only voicing my opinion. But what do ya say we hold up our glasses and hope for the best come next week? :cheers:

I'm with you there. :cheers:

Atlanta Dan
12-30-2007, 06:52 PM
No I'm not saying he shouldn't have been hired and I'm not trying to disrespect him. I know we are in the playoffs and that we won the division. I just feel that he makes bad play calls more often then not and I really dislike the lack of emotion. But I do respect him for helping to turn the team around, I just feel that if he were coaching anywhere else he would not be in this position. Our players are the reason we have gotten this far.

Your opinion of the talent on this team is higher than many observers - I have issues with the defensive philosophy but IMO the defensive talent (Casey, Troy, LBs other than Harrison) has not played up to its prior years' standards. As for the OL, it was a mess going into the season. As for Ben, Tomlin and (cough cough) Arians deserve some of the credit for his 2007 rebound

But fans can disagree:cheers:

SteelCityMan786
12-30-2007, 06:53 PM
I'm with you there. :cheers:

That goes for me to. :cheers:

ShutDown24
12-30-2007, 06:57 PM
Ok will anyone agree with me that Mike Tomlin is not as good of a coach as he is made out to be?

...No.