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83-Steelers-43
01-02-2008, 01:55 PM
Palmer suggests coaching changes needed; Lewis defends assistants
ESPN.com news services
Updated: January 1, 2008, 6:42 PM ET

CINCINNATI -- For the first time under coach Marvin Lewis, the Bengals took a big step backward. Their 7-9 finish was a stark reminder that there are long-standing problems with the franchise that haven't been resolved.

Lewis is safe, but change could be coming to the coaching staff. The defense again finished near the bottom of the league, a common occurrence during Lewis' five seasons. The offense went stale, scoring fewer than 20 points in four of the last five games.

Asked on Monday whether he thought the current coaching staff could take this team to the next level, quarterback Carson Palmer said, "I don't think so."

But Palmer said it's not his call to make.

"If I'm asked my opinion, I'll be more than happy to give it," Palmer said, according to the team's Web site. "I haven't been. This isn't my team. I'm the quarterback. If I can help in any way, I'd love to. I think I can be a valuable help and if a situation comes up, I'll help out."

Lewis acknowledged that the team went stale, but defended his assistant coaches.

"I'm very pleased with what our coaches have done this year," Lewis said. "They went through some trying times with new players and injuries and so forth, so it's very difficult. Each and every week, you're looking at a different group of guys and moving guys from position to position. I thought they handled that very well."

The front office can't avoid the introspection. Palmer and others complained about the poor quality of the team's grass practice field and the lack of a covered facility for when the weather turns nasty.

When the Bengals moved into Paul Brown Stadium before the 2000 season, ownership had the option of covering a practice field at its expense. There is still no covered field, which is a drawback in recruiting free agents.

The lack of a general manager also came under scrutiny when the team struggled to replace injured players. Decisions are made in a group setting, with owner Mike Brown having the final say. Lewis won't talk whether change is needed in the front office operations.

Players assume there will be more significant changes this offseason, given the way they underachieved as a group.

"This year has been an eye-opener for everybody," receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh said. "We expected, worst-case scenario, that we were going into the playoffs as a wild card. It kind of wakes everybody up, myself included."

Houshmandzadeh tied for the league lead in catches, receiver Chad Johnson set a club record with 1,440 yards, and Palmer set another club record by throwing for 4,131 yards.

Didn't matter. The Bengals still finished below .500 against a schedule that was as favorable as any in recent years. They faced only four playoff teams this season, including Pittsburgh twice, but scuttled their chances by losing six of their first eight games.

"A lot of guys weren't attuned to winning," safety Dexter Jackson said. "They were attuned to getting a certain amount of yards or a certain amount of this instead of winning the game."

Defensive end Justin Smith said the same thing: The locker room has some players who were more interested in themselves than the outcome. At times, they played like a team that wasn't very focused on what had to be done.

So many things went into the 7-9 record. So many things have to change.

"I thought about that a lot, man," Houshmandzadeh said. "It's almost like trying to do a Rubik's Cube."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3176249

Jeremy
01-02-2008, 01:59 PM
Is it any wonder they have such a terrible reputation in NFL circles? No indoor practice facility? That's something college coaches complain about, it shouldn't be something that NFL players have to deal with. If Mike Brown wants to keep running his team like an AFL team, they'll never be anything more than a side show.

83-Steelers-43
01-02-2008, 02:03 PM
I love how in the entire article Lewis does not share in the blame. Sure, he sticks up for his ACs, but he will not take any blame. He never does. Just another reason why that organization is a joke. Keep up the good work Marvin.

FWIW, I can't count how many times Tomlin put the blame on himself this year.

Jeremy
01-02-2008, 02:05 PM
I love how in the entire article Lewis does not share in the blame. Sure, he sticks up for his ACs, but he will not take any blame. He never does. Just another reason why that organization is a joke. Keep up the good work Marvin.

None of them do. They talk to the leaders of the team and they throw their teammates under the bus. If I was a Bengal right now, I'd be pretty pissed at Dexter Jackson and TJ. I don't care how frustrated you are, if you're a leader of a team you raise your hand in public and say it was your fault the team didn't perform up to standards. I swear that there are college teams that act more professionally than this bunch of dolts.

fansince'76
01-02-2008, 02:06 PM
"A lot of guys weren't attuned to winning," safety Dexter Jackson said. "They were attuned to getting a certain amount of yards or a certain amount of this instead of winning the game."

Gee, wonder what "guys" Jackson is talking about? :rolleyes:

83-Steelers-43
01-02-2008, 02:07 PM
None of them do. They talk to the leaders of the team and they throw their teammates under the bus. If I was a Bengal right now, I'd be pretty pissed at Dexter Jackson and TJ. I don't care how frustrated you are, if you're a leader of a team you raise your hand in public and say it was your fault the team didn't perform up to standards. I swear that there are college teams that act more professionally than this bunch of dolts.

No doubt. The characters on that team are another reason..lol. There are enough reasons. IMO, at the end of the day and when all is said and done, it's up to the HC to keep his team under control. It's part of coaching and apparently a skill that Marvin Lewis lacks. Then again, I keep remembering his excuse making for his own players, so I'm taking into consideration what type of individual I'm reading about here.

Hell, I hope they keep him forever. :cheers:

RoethlisBURGHer
01-02-2008, 02:21 PM
Hell, I hope they keep him forever. :cheers:

As long as he can get them back to 8-8 (a highly successful season in Bengal land), he will be kept forever.

Also, I didn't realize 11-5 to 8-8 wasn't a huge step back.

steelpride12
01-02-2008, 02:24 PM
Palmer is always blaming other people for their mistakes i don't care if he is right or night stop being such a baby! WAAAAAAAAA!

Jeremy
01-02-2008, 02:26 PM
Palmer is always blaming other people for their mistakes i don't care if he is right or night stop being such a baby! WAAAAAAAAA!

I can't blame him. His college team was probably better than his pro team. It's hard to go from first class to low class and not be a little angry about the situation.

fansince'76
01-02-2008, 02:26 PM
Palmer is always blaming other people for their mistakes i don't care if he is right or night stop being such a baby! WAAAAAAAAA!

That team's entire culture is built on zero accountability and passing the buck.

MasterOfPuppets
01-02-2008, 03:16 PM
"I'm very pleased with what our coaches have done this year," Lewis said.
hmmmmm....whats the word to descibe someone who's satisfied with underachieving and a losing effort......:scratchchin:

Each and every week, you're looking at a different group of guys and moving guys from position to position.
i just heard the same complaint .....from a correctional officer !!! :sofunny:

When the Bengals moved into Paul Brown Stadium before the 2000 season, ownership had the option of covering a practice field at its expense.
there wasn't enough in the budget for barbed wire fence, and a roof.....:toofunny:

Decisions are made in a group setting
so thats how marvin keeps his job.....he simply votes in favor of keeping it !!! :toofunny:

Newzfoxjr
01-02-2008, 03:20 PM
Good....descension amongst the ranks....:)

83-Steelers-43
01-02-2008, 04:27 PM
Normally I can't stand it when a player calls out the coaching staff in the media, but I think Palmer has a legitimate beef in this situation. He has kept mouth shut (unlike the majority of that roster) since he arrived in Cincinnati. He was asked a question about the coaching staff and he answered honestly.

IMO, he's placing the blame where it should be placed, on a HC who had one good season and who is/was considered a "defensive genius", but yet his defense stinks. Nevermind the fact that he has lost total control of that team. I keep hearing "But look what he did for that team.". What did he do exactly? One good season? Those are the expectations in Cincinnati?

Please, don't change a thing.

Atlanta Dan
01-02-2008, 04:31 PM
Normally I can't stand it when a player calls out the coaching staff in the media, but I think Palmer has a legitimate beef in this situation. He has kept mouth shut (unlike the majority of that roster) since he arrived in Cincinnati. He was asked a question about the coaching staff and he answered honestly.

IMO, he's placing the blame where it should be placed, on a HC who had one good season and who is/was considered a "defensive genius", but yet his defense stinks. Nevermind the fact that he has lost total control of that team. I keep hearing "But look what he did for that team.". What did he do exactly? One good season? Those are the expectations in Cincinnati?

Please, don't change a thing.

But what happened to the offseason lessons learned by Carson about personal accountability through reading "It's Your Ship"?:sofunny:

I don't think they encourage fragging the commanding officer in the Navy - maybe Carson has subsequently read Mutiny On The Bounty.

83-Steelers-43
01-02-2008, 04:35 PM
But what happened to the offseason lessons learned by Carson about personal accountability through reading "It's Your Ship"?:sofunny:

I don't think they encourage fragging the commanding officer in the Navy - maybe Carson has subsequently read Mutiny On The Bounty.

At this point, I'm just happy to hear somebody......anybody call him out. Hell, if CJ called him out I would gain more respect for him as a player. It's about time.

Atlanta Dan
01-02-2008, 07:26 PM
What Carson wants Carson gets

Just days after indicating that he was satisfied with the work of his staff, Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis fired defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan and linebackers coach Ricky Hunley on Wednesday.

The dismissal of Bresnahan marks the second time in his five-year tenure as Bengals coach that Lewis has dismissed a defensive coordinator. Lewis also fired Leslie Frazier after the 2004 season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3177871

If Marvin is sacrificing assistants I guess he stays - let's see if he gets to run Chad & Henry

klick81
01-03-2008, 01:06 AM
I love reading this...the Bungle fans dare not speak up! LOL...

Jeremy
01-03-2008, 07:55 AM
What Carson wants Carson gets

Just days after indicating that he was satisfied with the work of his staff, Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis fired defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan and linebackers coach Ricky Hunley on Wednesday.

The dismissal of Bresnahan marks the second time in his five-year tenure as Bengals coach that Lewis has dismissed a defensive coordinator. Lewis also fired Leslie Frazier after the 2004 season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3177871

If Marvin is sacrificing assistants I guess he stays - let's see if he gets to run Chad & Henry

It worked for Tom Coughlin in New York.

Counselor
01-03-2008, 10:09 AM
Palmer is always blaming other people for their mistakes i don't care if he is right or night stop being such a baby! WAAAAAAAAA!

Yes, and lets face it---Palmer sucked this year----he was not in his top "pro-bowl MVP" form. He's not even being discussed as a "Top 5 QB" anymore. How times change.

Jeremy
01-03-2008, 10:19 AM
Yes, and lets face it---Palmer sucked this year----he was not in his top "pro-bowl MVP" form. He's not even being discussed as a "Top 5 QB" anymore. How times change.

And they can change just as quickly next season. That's just part of the modern NFL.

Counselor
01-03-2008, 02:09 PM
And they can change just as quickly next season. That's just part of the modern NFL.

I didn't say they couldn't change again. My point was, he should take some blame himself instead of sticking it to everyone including coaches. He's no "Tom Brady" this year, and he should acknowledge that.

fansince'76
01-03-2008, 02:11 PM
I didn't say they couldn't change again. My point was, he should take some blame himself instead of sticking it to everyone including coaches. He's no "Tom Brady" this year, and he should acknowledge that.

Like I said earlier, zero accountability and buck passing are a large part of that team's culture as a whole. Anybody really expect Palmer to be immune to it?

tony hipchest
01-03-2008, 02:41 PM
Palmer suggests diaper changes needed

there, i fixed it.

HometownGal
01-03-2008, 03:16 PM
Open that mouth a little wider there Cartoon - you're damned close to putting your cleat in it.

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