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Dynasty
01-04-2008, 12:21 AM
He's the o-line coach for the pats... I dont know when his contract runs out, but whenever it does we should make a move for him... the pats have a great line year in year out and a lot of it is because they are well-coached.

fansince'76
01-04-2008, 12:27 AM
Between the pornographic Email he "erroneously" sent to the whole damn league and the awful play of the OL this year, Zierlein hasn't shown me much, that's for sure.

The Duke
01-04-2008, 01:37 AM
Between the pornographic Email he "erroneously" sent to the whole damn league and the awful play of the OL this year, Zierlein hasn't shown me much, that's for sure.

I had totally forgotten about that incident. maybe he's a little too distracted to help our guys :wink02:

I honestly don't think coaching has much to do with it, is more that the players are not that good. ok, maybe zierlein is no russ grimm, but with some better players he might make something good

Rhee Rhee
01-04-2008, 02:14 AM
one of the big questions with the patriots this year was handling speed rushers off the edge... considering thats our problem as well i'd stay away... but a replacement for zierlein is definitely in order

19ward86
01-04-2008, 03:38 AM
i agree with duke, it isnt our personel, we should start plugging in young lineman during games to freshen up our starters and to get them some experience. who on our line hasnt been starting for most of their career or not at all...starks started for i think 2 yrs, faneca 10yrs, smith 7yrs?, colon played in 1-1/2 games last year do to injury but no serious time, kendall has been starting for most of his career, and mahan just sucks but has been starting at tampa for a while. after those guys people like stapleton,trai essex, and ........... sorry i ran out of names( im typing this at 4:30am cant sleep) we dont have any backups with experience, i love starks because he gives us some experience on our line but no other lineman.

Steel Pit
01-04-2008, 03:38 AM
I don't know if coaching will help the Steelers offensive line much. The Patriots have used higher draft choices to construct their O-Line. Their linemen are solidly built while the Steelers linemen look soft and sloppy. In my opinion the Steelers need to start from scratch and rebuild their O-Line. After many games this season, I've thought to myself, man, I'll bet there's better O-Linemen on the freaking streets.

Galax Steeler
01-04-2008, 04:00 AM
Between the pornographic Email he "erroneously" sent to the whole damn league and the awful play of the OL this year, Zierlein hasn't shown me much, that's for sure.

agreed time for him to hit the road and get someone elese in here before the draft so they can build the offensive line the way it should be.

Counselor
01-04-2008, 08:33 AM
I honestly don't think coaching has much to do with it, is more that the players are not that good. ok, maybe zierlein is no russ grimm, but with some better players he might make something good

I agree, he doesn't have a ton to work with right now. Grimm's line last year wasn't that great, and we lost a pro bowler from it---so I don't know you can say its Zierlein's fault.
I was listening to Joe Bendel interview Trai Essex yesterday on the radio and he asked Trai the difference between being coached by Russ Grimm and Zierlein. Trai said that Grimm was the kind of coach who didn't care how you did something as long as you got it done, while Zierlein emphasizes technique. In my years of playing sports I had both of these kinds of coaches. I remember liking the Russ Grimm type and always finding the Zielein type a challenge because they type changed the way I did things. There was always a period of readjustment where I'd take a step backward in my progress, but my improvement in performance was much better long term with the Zierlein type. I think he deserves another year---give him a chance to improve technique with the younger guys.

fansince'76
01-04-2008, 02:15 PM
Yeah, I realize he didn't have a ton to work with, but he already had a strike against him for Email-gate before the season began (at least in my book), which brought a lot of embarrassment to Mr. Rooney. If most people would have forwarded such an Email to their entire company's address book, they'd probably have been shown the door. I think the Steelers and Tomlin could do better, that's all. Kinda funny he has people defending him here in light of the weekly crucifixions that Arians has been getting all season.

The Duke
01-04-2008, 02:50 PM
Yeah, I realize he didn't have a ton to work with, but he already had a strike against him for Email-gate before the season began (at least in my book), which brought a lot of embarrassment to Mr. Rooney. If most people would have forwarded such an Email to their entire company's address book, they'd probably have been shown the door. I think the Steelers and Tomlin could do better, that's all. Kinda funny he has people defending him here in light of the weekly crucifixions that Arians has been getting all season.

I'm not defending Zierlin, I'm just saying maybe, just maybe if he has better players he could do a better job. It was a total embarrassment the email he sent, there's no excuse to that, but if next year he's still in pittsburgh with newer and younger linemen and does a good job he's ok to me. if the o line still sucks with new players kick his butt out

Dino 6 Rings
01-04-2008, 02:55 PM
Parcells will be all over that guy if his contract is up. There is already talk he's interested in the Pats O-coordinator as well. He'll be stripping apart any team he has ever been connected with, including the Cowboys, Pats and Jets. Anything he can take away from them, he will...from O-line coach to punt returner.

Counselor
01-04-2008, 02:57 PM
Yeah, I realize he didn't have a ton to work with, but he already had a strike against him for Email-gate before the season began (at least in my book), which brought a lot of embarrassment to Mr. Rooney. If most people would have forwarded such an Email to their entire company's address book, they'd probably have been shown the door. I think the Steelers and Tomlin could do better, that's all. Kinda funny he has people defending him here in light of the weekly crucifixions that Arians has been getting all season.


The e-mail was absolutely embarrassing, but the team decided not to fire him for it so that issue to me is over-----I'm not going to say he's a bad coach because of a mistake like that which seems irrelevant to his coaching ability. FWIW, I defend Arians too---I prefer to give people a chance when there are circumstances other than coaching which contribute to a unit's play.

rbryan
01-04-2008, 03:11 PM
I could be the O line coach for the Patsies if the refs aren't going to ever call holding on them. I'd like to see those stats for the year.

Dino 6 Rings
01-04-2008, 04:28 PM
Here are the Pat's Oline stats pulled off one of their forums.

LT - Matt Light: 16 Games. 5 Penalties. 3 False Starts. 1 Holding. 6.5 Sacks allowed

LG - Logan Mankins: 16 Games. 4 Penalties. 4 False Starts. No Holdings. 1 Sack Allowed

C - Dan Koppen: 15 Games. 3 Penalties. 1 False Start. 1 Holding. 0 Sacks Allowed

RG - Stephen Neal: 8 Games. 3 Penalties. 1 False Start. 2 Holdings. 0 Sacks Allowed

RT - Nick Kaczur: 15 Games. 2 Penalties. 2 False Starts. No Holdings. 6.5 Sacks Allowed.

Dino 6 Rings
01-04-2008, 04:30 PM
apparently, they don't "hold"

Elvis
01-05-2008, 08:52 AM
:coffee: I didnt really think that it really mattered about their contract status as long as the org. gives him permission to talk to other teams..
:tt02:

rbryan
01-05-2008, 10:09 AM
apparently, they don't "hold"

Thats about what I figured. Patsies are the best.

Defense43
01-05-2008, 10:13 AM
If you look at Zierlin's credentials and what he has done with teams in the past, he clearly has the ability to produce a very successful offensive line. He's been doing this for a long time and has had much success doing it.

You just cant take garbage and turn it in to gold (especially in one year). Us pittsburgh fans should know this better than anyone. Tony La Russa, Bobby Cox, and Connie Mack combined probably couldnt even get the Pirates a winning record with there roster.

MasterOfPuppets
01-05-2008, 10:43 AM
..................games started....penalty........false start........holding.....sacks allowed

smith...................12...................2.... ................1......................0.......... ..........7.75
faneca.................16...................3..... ...............3......................0........... .........6.25
mahan................16...................2....... .............0......................2............. .......4.25
simmons............16..................5.......... ..........3......................1................ .....6.50
colon....................16..................7.... ................5......................2.......... ..........12.25

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/findplayer.asp?type=position&position=95

FourThreeMafia
01-05-2008, 11:16 AM
..................games started....penalty........false start........holding.....sacks allowed

smith...................12...................2.... ................1......................0.......... ..........7.75
faneca.................16...................3..... ...............3......................0........... .........6.25
mahan................16...................2....... .............0......................2............. .......4.25
simmons............16..................5.......... ..........3......................1................ .....6.50
colon....................16..................7.... ................5......................2.......... ..........12.25

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/findplayer.asp?type=position&position=95

Colon has actually been improving as the season went on. He was put in a tough position. He is a guard by nature and was thrown into the tackle position. He has struggled, but I think he is coming around, and will be a long time fixture on this OLine, whether its at tackle or guard.