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Elvis
01-06-2008, 04:30 PM
Here is a look at our End of the Season Depth Chart according to Steelersfever.com's Homepage:

-FB-
38 C. Davis (http://www.nfl.com/players/careydavis/profile?id=DAV207228)

- RB -

44 N. Davenport (http://www.nfl.com/players/najehdavenport/profile?id=DAV005111)
41 G. Russell (http://www.nfl.com/players/garyrussell/profile?id=RUS517604)
34 V. Haynes (http://www.nfl.com/players/verronhaynes/profile?id=HAY741562)


- QB -

7 B. Roethlisberger (http://www.nfl.com/players/benjaminroethlisberger/profile?id=ROE750381)
16 C. Batch (http://www.nfl.com/players/charliebatch/profile?id=BAT039161)
2 B. St. Pierre (http://www.nfl.com/players/brianst.%20pierre/profile?id=STP296636)

- WR -

86 H. Ward (http://www.nfl.com/players/hinesward/profile?id=WAR179227)
85 N. Washington (http://www.nfl.com/players/nathanielwashington/profile?id=WAS587797)
15 W. Reid (http://www.nfl.com/players/williereid/profile?id=REI384102)


- WR -

10 S. Holmes (http://www.nfl.com/players/santonioholmes/profile?id=HOL657297)
80 C. Wilson (http://www.nfl.com/players/cedrickwilson/profile?id=WIL656700)

- RT -

74 W. Colon (http://www.nfl.com/players/williecolon/profile?id=COL747402)

- RG -

73 K. Simmons (http://www.nfl.com/players/kendallsimmons/profile?id=SIM181925)
68 C. Kemoeatu (http://www.nfl.com/players/chriskemoeatu/profile?id=KEM089572)

- C -

61 S. Mahan (http://www.nfl.com/players/seanmahan/profile?id=MAH168381)
72 D. Stapleton (http://www.nfl.com/players/darnellstapleton/profile?id=STA496558)

- LG -

66 A. Faneca (http://www.nfl.com/players/alanfaneca/profile?id=FAN049971)
68 C. Kemoeatu (http://www.nfl.com/players/chriskemoeatu/profile?id=KEM089572)

- LT -

77 M. Smith (http://www.nfl.com/players/marvelsmith/profile?id=SMI506340)
79 T. Essex (http://www.nfl.com/players/traiessex/profile?id=ESS290361)

- TE -

83 H. Miller (http://www.nfl.com/players/heathmiller/profile?id=MIL243606)
89 M. Spaeth (http://www.nfl.com/players/mattspaeth/profile?id=SPA090352)
J. Dekker (http://www.nfl.com/players/jondekker/profile?id=DEK542472)


DEFENSE


- CB -

24 I. Taylor (http://www.nfl.com/players/iketaylor/profile?id=TAY288150)
22 W. Gay (http://www.nfl.com/players/williamgay/profile?id=GAY400290)
21 R. Colclough (http://www.nfl.com/players/ricardocolclough/profile?id=COL084595)

- DE -

93 N. Eason (http://www.nfl.com/players/nicholaseason/profile?id=EAS421290)

- NT -

98 C. Hampton (http://www.nfl.com/players/caseyhampton/profile?id=HAM671173)
76 C. Hoke (http://www.nfl.com/players/christopherhoke/profile?id=HOK264111)

- DE -

99 B. Keisel (http://www.nfl.com/players/brettkeisel/profile?id=KEI384586)
90 T. Kirschke (http://www.nfl.com/players/traviskirschke/profile?id=KIR801429)

- CB -

26 D. Townsend (http://www.nfl.com/players/desheatownsend/profile?id=TOW776442)
20 B. McFadden (http://www.nfl.com/players/bryantmcfadden/profile?id=MCF082537)
30 A. Rossum (http://www.nfl.com/players/allenrossum/profile?id=ROS771225)


- LB -

53 C. Haggans (http://www.nfl.com/players/clarkhaggans/profile?id=HAG475070)
55 L. Woodley (http://www.nfl.com/players/lamarrwoodley/profile?id=WOO324724)
97 A. Harrison (http://www.nfl.com/players/arnoldharrison/profile?id=HAR575391)

- LB -

51 J. Farrior (http://www.nfl.com/players/jamesfarrior/profile?id=FAR709765)
57 C. Kriewaldt (http://www.nfl.com/players/clintkriewaldt/profile?id=KRI425790)

- LB -

50 L. Foote (http://www.nfl.com/players/lawrencefoote/profile?id=FOO434041)
57 C. Kriewaldt (http://www.nfl.com/players/clintkriewaldt/profile?id=KRI425790)

- LB -

92 J. Harrison (http://www.nfl.com/players/jamesharrison/profile?id=HAR600985)
94 L. Timmons (http://www.nfl.com/players/lawrencetimmons/profile?id=TIM589720)
57 A. Frazier (http://www.nfl.com/players/andrefrazier/profile?id=FRA692107)



- SS -

43 T. Polamalu (http://www.nfl.com/players/troypolamalu/profile?id=POL041872)
23 T. Carter (http://www.nfl.com/players/tyronecarter/profile?id=CAR749177)

- FS -

27 A. Smith (http://www.nfl.com/players/anthonysmith/profile?id=SMI038666)


SPECIAL TEAMS


- KR -

30 A. Rossum (http://www.nfl.com/players/allenrossum/profile?id=ROS771225)
15 W. Reid (http://www.nfl.com/players/williereid/profile?id=REI384102)
21 R. Colclough (http://www.nfl.com/players/ricardocolclough/profile?id=COL084595)

- K -

3 J. Reed (http://www.nfl.com/players/jeffreyreed/profile?id=REE265822)

- H -

9 D. Sepulveda (http://www.nfl.com/players/danielsepulveda/profile?id=SEP474618)

- P -

9 D. Sepulveda (http://www.nfl.com/players/danielsepulveda/profile?id=SEP474618)

- PR -

30 A. Rossum (http://www.nfl.com/players/allenrossum/profile?id=ROS771225)
15 W. Reid (http://www.nfl.com/players/williereid/profile?id=REI384102)
80 C. Wilson (http://www.nfl.com/players/cedrickwilson/profile?id=WIL656700)

- LS -

60 G. Warren (http://www.nfl.com/players/gregorywarren/profile?id=WAR647513)

Elvis
01-06-2008, 04:39 PM
The Steelers have several questions to answer in the offseason. What do you think is the order of needs on our club for next season? And who do you think has their job no matter what happens in the offseason? Who should be replaced?
I think that the most important thing to do is get Ben signed to a long term contract sooner than later. This is gonna take franchise record spending but it will be worth it all for our future. But are we happy with the backups that we have for him? Batch is getting old and are we trusting in St.Pierre to put the game in his hands? I dont think so.
At RB... I think that Willie is our man, but we still need to get us some young powerful legs behind him that can take the load off. I just dont think that Davenport is the man for this job. I would love to see someone like Marion Barber here next year. He is a Unrestricted Free Agent at the end of the season ya know.. Or maybe Ray Rice from Rutgers in the upcoming draft.

Rhee Rhee
01-06-2008, 06:28 PM
marion is a restricted free agent elvis... at least i think.... how ever you definitely know what your talking about when you say get willie some young powerful legs and resign ben... another option is going for an OT and OG back to back in rounds 1 nd 2.... before i would have never liked that but now i have come to my senses... guys like michael oher and eric young could do a world of good for our team...

TheMightyEx
01-07-2008, 01:10 AM
Hi Elvis I fixed your chart to include the FA status of the listed player and key players on IR.

OFFENSE

-FB-

38 C. Davis (http://www.nfl.com/players/careydavis/profile?id=DAV207228)
35 D. Kreider (http://www.nfl.com/players/dankreider/profile?id=KRE108154) IR (5)

- RB -

44 N. Davenport (http://www.nfl.com/players/najehdavenport/profile?id=DAV005111)
41 G. Russell (http://www.nfl.com/players/garyrussell/profile?id=RUS517604)
34 V. Haynes (http://www.nfl.com/players/verronhaynes/profile?id=HAY741562) UFA
39 W. Parker (http://www.nfl.com/players/willieparker/profile?id=PAR468944) IR (16)


- QB -

7 B. Roethlisberger (http://www.nfl.com/players/benjaminroethlisberger/profile?id=ROE750381)
16 C. Batch (http://www.nfl.com/players/charliebatch/profile?id=BAT039161)
2 B. St. Pierre (http://www.nfl.com/players/brianst.%20pierre/profile?id=STP296636)

- WR -

86 H. Ward (http://www.nfl.com/players/hinesward/profile?id=WAR179227)
85 N. Washington (http://www.nfl.com/players/nathanielwashington/profile?id=WAS587797)
15 W. Reid (http://www.nfl.com/players/williereid/profile?id=REI384102)
10 S. Holmes (http://www.nfl.com/players/santonioholmes/profile?id=HOL657297)
80 C. Wilson (http://www.nfl.com/players/cedrickwilson/profile?id=WIL656700)


- RT -

74 W. Colon (http://www.nfl.com/players/williecolon/profile?id=COL747402)


- RG -

73 K. Simmons (http://www.nfl.com/players/kendallsimmons/profile?id=SIM181925)
68 C. Kemoeatu (http://www.nfl.com/players/chriskemoeatu/profile?id=KEM089572)

- C -

61 S. Mahan (http://www.nfl.com/players/seanmahan/profile?id=MAH168381)
72 D. Stapleton (http://www.nfl.com/players/darnellstapleton/profile?id=STA496558)

- LG -

66 A. Faneca (http://www.nfl.com/players/alanfaneca/profile?id=FAN049971) UFA
68 C. Kemoeatu (http://www.nfl.com/players/chriskemoeatu/profile?id=KEM089572) RFA

- LT -

77 M. Smith (http://www.nfl.com/players/marvelsmith/profile?id=SMI506340)
79 T. Essex (http://www.nfl.com/players/traiessex/profile?id=ESS290361) RFA
78 M. Starks (http://www.nfl.com/players/maxstarks/profile?id=STA603966) IR (AFCW); UFA


- TE -

83 H. Miller (http://www.nfl.com/players/heathmiller/profile?id=MIL243606)
89 M. Spaeth (http://www.nfl.com/players/mattspaeth/profile?id=SPA090352)
88 J. Dekker (http://www.nfl.com/players/jondekker/profile?id=DEK542472)
84 J. Tuman (http://www.nfl.com/players/jerametuman/profile?id=TUM059326) IR (10)

DEFENSE

- RCB -

24 I. Taylor (http://www.nfl.com/players/iketaylor/profile?id=TAY288150)
22 W. Gay (http://www.nfl.com/players/williamgay/profile?id=GAY400290)
21 R. Colclough (http://www.nfl.com/players/ricardocolclough/profile?id=COL084595)

- LCB -

26 D. Townsend (http://www.nfl.com/players/desheatownsend/profile?id=TOW776442)
20 B. McFadden (http://www.nfl.com/players/bryantmcfadden/profile?id=MCF082537) RFA
30 A. Rossum (http://www.nfl.com/players/allenrossum/profile?id=ROS771225)


- LDE -

93 N. Eason (http://www.nfl.com/players/nicholaseason/profile?id=EAS421290)
91 A. Smith (http://www.nfl.com/players/aaronsmith/profile?id=SMI018560) IR (14)

- RDE -

99 B. Keisel (http://www.nfl.com/players/brettkeisel/profile?id=KEI384586)
90 T. Kirschke (http://www.nfl.com/players/traviskirschke/profile?id=KIR801429)


- NT -

98 C. Hampton (http://www.nfl.com/players/caseyhampton/profile?id=HAM671173)
76 C. Hoke (http://www.nfl.com/players/christopherhoke/profile?id=HOK264111)

- ROLB -

53 C. Haggans (http://www.nfl.com/players/clarkhaggans/profile?id=HAG475070) UFA
55 L. Woodley (http://www.nfl.com/players/lamarrwoodley/profile?id=WOO324724)
97 A. Harrison (http://www.nfl.com/players/arnoldharrison/profile?id=HAR575391)

- RILB -

51 J. Farrior (http://www.nfl.com/players/jamesfarrior/profile?id=FAR709765)
57 C. Kriewaldt (http://www.nfl.com/players/clintkriewaldt/profile?id=KRI425790)

- LILB -

50 L. Foote (http://www.nfl.com/players/lawrencefoote/profile?id=FOO434041)
57 C. Kriewaldt (http://www.nfl.com/players/clintkriewaldt/profile?id=KRI425790)

- LOLB -

92 J. Harrison (http://www.nfl.com/players/jamesharrison/profile?id=HAR600985)
94 L. Timmons (http://www.nfl.com/players/lawrencetimmons/profile?id=TIM589720)
57 A. Frazier (http://www.nfl.com/players/andrefrazier/profile?id=FRA692107)

- SS -

43 T. Polamalu (http://www.nfl.com/players/troypolamalu/profile?id=POL041872)
23 T. Carter (http://www.nfl.com/players/tyronecarter/profile?id=CAR749177)

- FS -

25 R. Clark (http://www.nfl.com/players/ryanclark/profile?id=CLA544413) PUP (6); IR (10)
27 A. Smith (http://www.nfl.com/players/anthonysmith/profile?id=SMI038666)


SPECIAL TEAMS

- K -

3 J. Reed (http://www.nfl.com/players/jeffreyreed/profile?id=REE265822)

- H -

9 D. Sepulveda (http://www.nfl.com/players/danielsepulveda/profile?id=SEP474618)

- P -

9 D. Sepulveda (http://www.nfl.com/players/danielsepulveda/profile?id=SEP474618)

- LS -

60 G. Warren (http://www.nfl.com/players/gregorywarren/profile?id=WAR647513)

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-07-2008, 04:54 AM
Thats a tricky thing because order of needs and draft order isnt always the same thing.

For instance....Center is obviously a huge need...but I wouldnt use anything more thatn a 4th round pick on center based on who is coming out this year and the difference in talent between projected 2-3 round centers and 4-5 round centers. In the 4th or 5th rounds we can probably get Doug Legursky from Marshall or Fernando Velasco from Georgia.

as far as "Needs":

1) Tackle-HUGE need and should be addressed in FA and the draft
2) Center- Mahan is not the answer (obviously)
3) Defensive End (Lack of quality depth became obvious when Smith went down
4) Guard- Still think that we can move Colon inside but depth needs to be addressed
5) Inside Linebacker- again, a depth issue
6) Cornerback- I like McFadden to a point, but if he cant unseat Deshea..we need to find a solid CB very soon.
8) Wide Reciever-we need a legit 3rd reciever that may someday be a #2...although I have appreciated Washingtons efforts this year..neither he nor ...Wilson...are #2 reciever material.

Now Draft order:

1) Tackle- Oher from Ole Miss could start next year at RT
2) CB- If we want quality at the position ..we are going to have to get it on day one.
3) Guard- there are several legit guards in the upcoming draft that will be there in the third round.
4) Center or DE- As I said above...Legursky or Velasco should be here and BOTH are better than Mahan.
5) DE or Center- Not a DE/DT tweener either...but a legit DE.
6) dont have one this year
7) Special Teamer- find a return man or positional project player who is a special team demon

Also keep in mind that any of those positions drop if we can find good players in FA...and the remaining positions rise...

Elvis
01-07-2008, 06:41 AM
:coffee:
Nice threads everyone... Thanks Themightyex for taking care of me. I agree fansince... Center is definitely a major need in my opinion. Mahan has not done the job from the very beginning. I know some are gonna get on me for this one.. but I think that we should resign Max Starks and let him have his chance at LT. The man played well there while he was in there at that spot, but I also think that Essex did a fine job saturday night and the week before. I also think that LOT is a huge spot that has to be filled somewhere no matter where it comes from. I think that the true DE must be found as well... I wouldnt mind seeing a MLB taken early as well, because unless they are planning on moving Timmons in there to take Farriors' place in the next couple years... Foote just doesnt make plays like he did 2 years ago.
:tt02:

Rhee Rhee
01-07-2008, 02:17 PM
6) Cornerback- I like McFadden to a point, but if he cant unseat Deshea..we need to find a solid CB very soon

what do u think of adressing a freeagent CB... the talent isn't great out there but it's a little better then gay, and mcfadden... i've been pimping deangelo hall for awhile now and i'd like to see him in a steeler uniform... what do u think?

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-07-2008, 02:28 PM
what do u think of adressing a freeagent CB... the talent isn't great out there but it's a little better then gay, and mcfadden... i've been pimping deangelo hall for awhile now and i'd like to see him in a steeler uniform... what do u think?

With any Free agents, I think we are going to have to stay away from players like Hall....I dont think we can afford a top-tier player like him who play a skill position, and still restructure the contracts of the players we have...Like Ben and Troys.
Exactly the same reason that I would like to pick up a WR like Justin Gage. Bryant Johnson is the best Free Agent Wr who may be available but getting him would be like getting Hall.....probably at the expense of players we would want to keep.
We may be able to get a respectable back like Drayton Florence, but I'm still not sure if our need matches his monetary expectations..I would rather look in the draft.

lilyoder6
01-07-2008, 03:47 PM
i would like to get a good tall wr to play the #3 spot.. i think we could get some good mismatch's there... maybe malcom floyd could be a good pick-up
for rb i would have to say that either barber or jones will be out of Dallas since both of there contracts are up.... other rb's that i could see us picking up could be chris brwon from ten, or derrick ward from the g-men since they alrdy have jacobs and droughns
d-line would be nice to see jared allan.. i know he is expensive and i doubt we could get him but i am saying it would be nice to see him in a steelers jersey...

The Duke
01-07-2008, 05:06 PM
Oh please, stop it with deangello hall! can't you see he would suck in pittsburgh?

as much as a "playmaker" he might be he won't fit with the steelers defense. he can't play the run, he's too weak for that. and the rooney's do not get players with the stupid attitude Hall has.

Aussie_steeler
01-07-2008, 09:05 PM
For instance....Center is obviously a huge need...but I wouldnt use anything more thatn a 4th round pick on center based on who is coming out this year and the difference in talent between projected 2-3 round centers and 4-5 round centers. In the 4th or 5th rounds we can probably get Doug Legursky from Marshall or Fernando Velasco from Georgia.

I agree totally LLT. I see a roll of the dice for a late round center and hope we find gold. At worst they wont be worse than Mahan. The centers projected to go round 2-3 just seem to be a little light to handle the huge NT's in our division. They can get away with it at their weight in college football but they would get mauled in the NFL.

I just feel that we will have to wait another year to possibly draft a franchise center in the first round who can play the position to the expectations of steelers management and also the fans. Another year will also allow the offence to find their true identity (power running or pass/run balance) and match the center to it.

Rhee Rhee
01-08-2008, 01:29 AM
Oh please, stop it with deangello hall! can't you see he would suck in pittsburgh?

as much as a "playmaker" he might be he won't fit with the steelers defense. he can't play the run, he's too weak for that. and the rooney's do not get players with the stupid attitude Hall has.

what do u think of marcus trufant?

The Duke
01-08-2008, 02:37 AM
what do u think of marcus trufant?

now you're talking :thumbsup:

the team that gets Trufant gets a really good all around player.

sadly the steelers won't get him, he's going to be paid a very large contract and very well deserved.

Drayton Florence could be someone the steelers pick. he's not bad, but he's not the best either,a middle tier free agent, but a solid player. he could replace townsend down the stretch. it could be between him and B Mac for the #2 CB spot

jjpro11
01-08-2008, 03:38 AM
why does everyone always want another CB? this is probably the least of our worries right now. when we got burned in the secondary this year, it was primarily at the safety position. this is due in large part to the injuries of clark and polamalu. i like our depth at CB with ike, deshea, mcfadden, and gay. i wouldnt be against taking a physical corner in the middle rounds of the draft, but we have higher priorities right now - fixing the entire oline, depth on the dline, depth at linebacker, depth at WR, and a physical running back to spell parker and possibly replace davenport.

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-08-2008, 03:39 AM
I agree totally LLT. I see a roll of the dice for a late round center and hope we find gold. At worst they wont be worse than Mahan. The centers projected to go round 2-3 just seem to be a little light to handle the huge NT's in our division.

Exactly...most of the centers slated to go in those rounds look more like zone blocking centers...The two centers that both of us seem to agree on ...Legursky and Velasco....are big strong "nasty" centers who could hold their own in a phone booth.

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-08-2008, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by jppro11
why does everyone always want another CB?


Alot of that has to do with value...I know when I was fooling around and looking at possible draft picks...I could find Very good value at Tackle in the 1st round...Guard in the 3rd round..DE and Center in the 4th and 5th round. In the 2nd, however, I always seemed to be "reaching" for a player that gave me little more value then those players that I could get later.
The exception was at CB and WR. In the second we might be able to pick up CB's like Lowery or possible Rodgers-Cromartie, or pick up a WR like D.J. Hall ( if he slips a bit ) or Limas Sweed, if he runs a 4.54 40 like it has been said he does.
I would go CB.... only becaue there will be more affordable WR's in the UFA class this year like Justin Gage and Hackett..that may fit our system and upgrade our team. With the UFA CB's...that doesnt seem to be the case, especially in regards to affordability.

The Duke
01-08-2008, 09:05 PM
why does everyone always want another CB?

only reason I want a CB is cause of Deshea's age. but I like our depth and talent at the position as of right now

EmDoubleU
01-09-2008, 02:16 PM
We NEED to resign Faneca. Pay him whatever he wants. That will allow us to add best available in first round:
1. OTs: Gosder Cherilus-B.C. left or right tackle, Michael Oher-Ole Miss left tackle, WRs: James Hardy, Limas Sweed if available. We NEED a WR upgrade, hines is going to continue to dominate but underneath routes mostly.

Also, Faneca will play at a high level for at lest 3 more years and we could possible move him to center if need be. No body in the draft is better than him at guard. However, If we resign Faneca will that put us in a bind for resigning some heath, harrison, or other young upcoming contracts?

Jeremy
01-09-2008, 02:24 PM
Alot of that has to do with value...I know when I was fooling around and looking at possible draft picks...I could find Very good value at Tackle in the 1st round...Guard in the 3rd round..DE and Center in the 4th and 5th round. In the 2nd, however, I always seemed to be "reaching" for a player that gave me little more value then those players that I could get later.
The exception was at CB and WR. In the second we might be able to pick up CB's like Lowery or possible Rodgers-Cromartie, or pick up a WR like D.J. Hall ( if he slips a bit ) or Limas Sweed, if he runs a 4.54 40 like it has been said he does.
I would go CB.... only becaue there will be more affordable WR's in the UFA class this year like Justin Gage and Hackett..that may fit our system and upgrade our team. With the UFA CB's...that doesnt seem to be the case, especially in regards to affordability.

My answer is far simpler. A guy like Antoine Cason is better than either corner the Steelers have right now. Talib from Kansas is in then same boat.

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-09-2008, 02:43 PM
My answer is far simpler. A guy like Antoine Cason is better than either corner the Steelers have right now. Talib from Kansas is in then same boat.

The only problem with that...is that both Cason & Talib are graded as first rounders. Are you suggesting we bypass the O-Line in the first round for a CB?

Jeremy
01-09-2008, 03:01 PM
The only problem with that...is that both Cason & Talib are graded as first rounders. Are you suggesting we bypass the O-Line in the first round for a CB?

That depends on who's on the board at the time. Look, I'm all for finding a stud offensive lineman who the team can rebuild the line around. But at the same time, a talent like Cason (and maybe Taib) is rare and if you can can grab them where the Steelers will be in the first round, it's still a good value for the pick.

EmDoubleU
01-09-2008, 04:30 PM
Exactly...most of the centers slated to go in those rounds look more like zone blocking centers...The two centers that both of us seem to agree on ...Legursky and Velasco....are big strong "nasty" centers who could hold their own in a phone booth.

What about the center that we drafted last year. Should we give him a shot or move simmons to center?

lilyoder6
01-09-2008, 09:33 PM
maybe pitt should think about drafting desean jackson from cal if he his on the board at the time... he can fill in three spots that we need.. he can be a #3 guy from the go... he can be a returner.. and be a replacement for hines in the future... 3 in 1 package in him... and in the later round look at Adam Spieker, from Missouri

Rhee Rhee
01-10-2008, 12:43 AM
now you're talking :thumbsup:

the team that gets Trufant gets a really good all around player.

sadly the steelers won't get him, he's going to be paid a very large contract and very well deserved.

Drayton Florence could be someone the steelers pick. he's not bad, but he's not the best either,a middle tier free agent, but a solid player. he could replace townsend down the stretch. it could be between him and B Mac for the #2 CB spot

NiCE!! now drayton florence i agree but i was impressed he held off cromartie for soo long...

Steeldude
01-10-2008, 09:00 PM
IMO, the O-line and D-line are the steelers two biggest concerns.

aa. smith is returning from an injury and he is in his 30's. hoke is in his 30's. hampton is getting fatter each year. eason hasn't shown much. kirschke is getting old and is basically an average player. the jury is still out on mcbean, but i don't expect much promise. i believe kirschke is also a FA. keisel needs to be cut for some cap room. he is too small to play the line in a 3-4.

faneca and starks are probably gonein the FA market. smith is returning from another neck/back injury. essex is...well essex. colon is a guard, not a tackle. simmons is...well simmons. mahan is not a center. hopes are riding on stapleton to be the new center. kemo is all brawn no brain.

paw-n-maul-u
01-11-2008, 12:20 AM
Talib and Cason are weak. In the SECOND ROUND Go with my man Brandon Flowers from VT who is probably a better man to man corner than any of them. But if we're REALLY talking corner, i'd rather pass up on it completely and add some talent on the D-line. We haven't had an upgrade at that position for a really long time, and we def. need a WR that can go up and get the ball. Someone bigger than Nate Washington.

Rhee Rhee
01-11-2008, 01:32 AM
Talib and Cason are weak. In the SECOND ROUND Go with my man Brandon Flowers from VT who is probably a better man to man corner than any of them. But if we're REALLY talking corner, i'd rather pass up on it completely and add some talent on the D-line. We haven't had an upgrade at that position for a really long time, and we def. need a WR that can go up and get the ball. Someone bigger than Nate Washington.

i've been hearing good things about brandon flowers... but yet there are always people who stereotype and say anyone at VT has character issues... (both vicks, williams...the list goes on...)

if at all possible trading up to get early doucet in the second round could be beneficial though not very likely... he reminds me of hines a lot because he's a solid blocker and solid catching the ball

paw-n-maul-u
01-11-2008, 02:40 AM
i've been hearing good things about brandon flowers... but yet there are always people who stereotype and say anyone at VT has character issues... (both vicks, williams...the list goes on...)

if at all possible trading up to get early doucet in the second round could be beneficial though not very likely... he reminds me of hines a lot because he's a solid blocker and solid catching the ball

No character problems w/ Flowers. A lot of things I've read say he could be the best pro corner to come from VT.

They've been putting out some other pretty solid talent w/ out character issues, and D. Hall hasn't really DONE anything off the field. Doucet would be a BEAST in pitt i think. I think he could come in and do good things for us right away, (as long as he can stay healthy), and he's physical after the catch.

Jeremy
01-11-2008, 07:46 AM
Talib and Cason are weak. In the SECOND ROUND Go with my man Brandon Flowers from VT who is probably a better man to man corner than any of them. But if we're REALLY talking corner, i'd rather pass up on it completely and add some talent on the D-line. We haven't had an upgrade at that position for a really long time, and we def. need a WR that can go up and get the ball. Someone bigger than Nate Washington.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read on this message board.

Elvis
01-12-2008, 11:36 AM
Kentwan Balmer, DT, North CarolinaPrior to the '07 season Balmer was considered to be an underachiever who didn't play up to his full potential but that began to change as a senior. In his first three years of college ball Balmer only managed to rack up 7.5 tackles for a loss and 2.5 sacks but as a senior he topped those career totals, coming through with 9.5 TFL and 3.5 sacks. A powerful player in the middle with good quickness and athleticism, Balmer has emerged as one of the top defensive tackles available and he could also get looks from teams that run a 3-4 scheme
This young man would be a great addition to our defensive line in my opinion.
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Elvis
01-12-2008, 11:39 AM
2. Leodis McKelvin, CB, TroyThis isn't a great crop of senior cornerbacks, at least not when it comes to elite talent, but McKelvin is quickly emerging as one of the best of the bunch. Physically McKelvin has everything you look for at 5-11 and 190 lbs. with 4.4 speed and while he may not be a household name just yet you can rest assured that pro scouts know all about him. McKelvin has been invited to the Senior Bowl where he will get an opportunity to show he can play with the big boys and a strong performance there could push him even higher. At this point he is a legit 2nd rounder and as an added bonus he is also a fantastic kick (23.2 avg) and punt (17.4 avg) returner. 3. Jason Jones, DE, Eastern MichiganThe award for best prospect nobody has heard about might go to this guy. Despite racking up an astounding 50 tackles for a loss and 14 sacks the last three years Jones has managed to basically fly under the radar to this point but that is about to change. A former tight end who has been playing out of position at defensive tackle, Jones has a blend of size (6-5, 270) and speed (4.75) that should make him a prototypical defensive end at the next level and he is rapidly emerging as one of the best seniors available at the position. He has already received a Senior Bowl invite so don't be shocked if that week in Mobile serves as a coming out party
I also know that the Steelers need Olinemen... but these are just some examples of players that might interest them in the 2nd round on forward.
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lilyoder6
01-12-2008, 12:43 PM
we are going to have to get a corner with deashea getting old .. it's going to be a very interesting draft

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-12-2008, 01:01 PM
What about the center that we drafted last year. Should we give him a shot or move simmons to center?

I see no centers on our current roster who I think should be a starter in the NFL....I would much prefer to move Simmons to center as a "stopgap" and draft Legursky or Velasco. I know that there are Centers ranked higher than them in current mock drafts, but they, almost to a man, appear to be zone blockers. Lekursky and Velasco are solid and strong ...and more suitable to handle big NT's. (Velasco is 6'4 327 lbs, and reportedly runs a 5.06). Lekursky isnt as big, (6'3 310lbs) but is "nastier" and will leave it all on the field.

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-12-2008, 01:15 PM
No character problems w/ Flowers. A lot of things I've read say he could be the best pro corner to come from VT.

They've been putting out some other pretty solid talent w/ out character issues, and D. Hall hasn't really DONE anything off the field. Doucet would be a BEAST in pitt i think. I think he could come in and do good things for us right away, (as long as he can stay healthy), and he's physical after the catch.

Flowers was arrested in 2005 for carrying a concealed weapon. Also caused a stir about some possible off-field issues when he posted a photograph on his Facebook profile ..... The picture shows a mass of cash spread out on a carpet. With the caption.... "Dis How Palm Beach County Dope Boiz Get Down Baaaaabeh Every day Niggaz Hustlin"

....NOT good!

DACEB
01-12-2008, 02:41 PM
I see no centers on our current roster who I think should be a starter in the NFL....I would much prefer to move Simmons to center as a "stopgap" and draft Legursky or Velasco. I know that there are Centers ranked higher than them in current mock drafts, but they, almost to a man, appear to be zone blockers. Lekursky and Velasco are solid and strong ...and more suitable to handle big NT's. (Velasco is 6'4 327 lbs, and reportedly runs a 5.06). Lekursky isnt as big, (6'3 310lbs) but is "nastier" and will leave it all on the field.

Isn't that our scheme now, zone blocking???

I have to agree though, Velasco sounds like a monster and is most likely a late rounds pick right?

I'm joining the conversations late but, I was wondering does anyone think Townsend can move to safety to replace Clark if necessary. I know there was some talk of that, by Tomlin himself I believe, but does anyone see that happening. The reason I bring it up is that would allow us to draft a CB instead of a safety. Townsend is said to be another coach on the field so that would make him valuable at that spot.

Thoughts on this??

I have seen some of the names and positions being tossed around and I would say this;
IMO O-line and D-line are the biggest areas of need. The team is about to sign thier franchise QB, they need to protect him. The D-line is thin and getting older and we also need to bolster the pass rush.
I know some have mentioned RB but I would rather go WR and CB. IMO we have a decent young group at RB. We need to get Ben another weapon at WR and we need to add depth in the defensive backfield.
I would say this though, whoever we get as far as WR or CB or even RB, the players should be able to return kicks. We obviously need alot of help in that area.

Please give me your thoughts.

Jeremy
01-12-2008, 02:44 PM
Flowers was arrested in 2005 for carrying a concealed weapon. Also caused a stir about some possible off-field issues when he posted a photograph on his Facebook profile ..... The picture shows a mass of cash spread out on a carpet. With the caption.... "Dis How Palm Beach County Dope Boiz Get Down Baaaaabeh Every day Niggaz Hustlin"

....NOT good!

Why would anyone be dumb enough to draft a VT player these days? These guys end up being nothing but trouble in the NFL. I have to wonder what kind of person actually roots for them.

Elvis
01-12-2008, 03:36 PM
Jonathan Stewart RB 5?11 230 Oregon

This young man just announced yesterday that he will be entering the upcoming NFL Draft.. man.. he would look great in Black n Gold...
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By: Robert Davis

Stewart was one of the elite recruits in the country when he chose Oregon, but he had to wait a year to make a real impact in the offense. As a sophomore last season, he ran for 981 yards and ten touchdowns, while adding 144 yards on 20 catches and a touchdown. Stewart finally put up the standout numbers everyone expected this season, as he became the feature back with Jeremiah Johnson going down with a knee injury. He ran for 1,469 yards and ten touchdowns, adding 116 yards and a TD on 20 receptions.
Stewart is the complete package at running back. He has excellent size, and is very difficult to bring down. He is built thick, low to the ground, and has the strength to break arm tackles, and push the pile at the end of runs. He is not just a back that can break tackles though. He has the speed and cutback ability to make the first defender miss and break off big runs consistently. Once he is in the open field, Stewart can run away from most defensive backs. He also has developed into a solid receiver, and has experience returning kicks for the Ducks.
It is hard to find a knock in Stewart?s game. He has the size, speed, athleticism, and all around skills to be a star in the NFL. One knock on him was that he had not proven to be a workhorse, but he was a star this season in the backfield. He did get dinged up a bit near the end of the season. Stewart is a legitimate star, and has the potential to become a Top 10 pick. He can be an everydown back that breaks off big plays, but also picks up consistent yardage to keep the chains moving. Stewart is only a junior, so he could return for another season and enter the year as next year?s Darren McFadden. However, the Ducks? offense was pathetic once Dennis Dixon went down with his ACL injury. That could be a taste of things to come next year, so Stewart may take his game to the next level.

Rhee Rhee
01-12-2008, 06:05 PM
Flowers was arrested in 2005 for carrying a concealed weapon. Also caused a stir about some possible off-field issues when he posted a photograph on his Facebook profile ..... The picture shows a mass of cash spread out on a carpet. With the caption.... "Dis How Palm Beach County Dope Boiz Get Down Baaaaabeh Every day Niggaz Hustlin"

....NOT good!


HAHAHA FUNNY!!! I figured something had to be wrong with brandon flowers... the way pawl-n-maul-u talked about him was just too good to be true... yet again another example of virgina tech rule breakers...

Rhee Rhee
01-12-2008, 06:06 PM
Jonathan Stewart RB 5?11 230 Oregon

this guy will be gone by the time we pick... both seattle, houston, denver and detroit will be looking closely at this guy..

Dylan
01-15-2008, 05:06 PM
What round is Malcom Kelly projected to be taken?

lilyoder6
01-15-2008, 05:14 PM
i don't know about denver taking stewart.. they have selvin young and travis henry.. they both did very well when both were healthy...

Rhee Rhee
01-15-2008, 08:37 PM
i don't know about denver taking stewart.. they have selvin young and travis henry.. they both did very well when both were healthy...

Come on bro... uk how mike shannahan is... he drafts maurice clarrett... who knows what he might do... besides t-henry is a druggy... just a matter of time before he gets caught again... and selvin there's a reason he was undrafted... jonothan stewart will give them the all-around back that both selvin and t-henry are not..

Steeldude
01-15-2008, 09:08 PM
I see no centers on our current roster who I think should be a starter in the NFL....I would much prefer to move Simmons to center as a "stopgap" and draft Legursky or Velasco. I know that there are Centers ranked higher than them in current mock drafts, but they, almost to a man, appear to be zone blockers. Lekursky and Velasco are solid and strong ...and more suitable to handle big NT's. (Velasco is 6'4 327 lbs, and reportedly runs a 5.06). Lekursky isnt as big, (6'3 310lbs) but is "nastier" and will leave it all on the field.

tomlin was high on darnell stapleton in the mini-camps and pre-season last year.

lilyoder6
01-15-2008, 09:25 PM
that is true... but i think young did a good job this yr.. ur probably right i mean they have really no needs at any pos.. they just played horrible this yr.. so yea i could see them getting them and cutting henry

Rhee Rhee
01-15-2008, 10:14 PM
that is true... but i think young did a good job this yr.. ur probably right i mean they have really no needs at any pos.. they just played horrible this yr.. so yea i could see them getting them and cutting henry

what the broncos sorely need is a stud DT...

kentwan balmer UNC
Frank Okam Texas
Sedrick Ellis USC

any of the three MIGHT be there when the ponies pick... they should nab one of 'em... and not recycle old brown trash...

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-16-2008, 03:56 AM
What round is Malcom Kelly projected to be taken?

1st round...possibley in the top 15...or maybe to the Bills at 17?

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-16-2008, 04:05 AM
Isn't that our scheme now, zone blocking???



We currently use a "man" or "drive" blocking scheme where the lineman is responsible for an individual.... and the play is designed for a running back to hit a particular gap.... The zone blocking scheme, on the other hand, has a lineman blocking an area instead of a designated defensive player...... If multiple linemen are blocking an area than one can break off and block into the second level.

The way our line played this last year....maybe we SHOULD switch to zone blocking!!!!

MasterOfPuppets
01-16-2008, 01:00 PM
Come on bro... uk how mike shannahan is... he drafts maurice clarrett... who knows what he might do... besides t-henry is a druggy... just a matter of time before he gets caught again... and selvin there's a reason he was undrafted... jonothan stewart will give them the all-around back that both selvin and t-henry are not..
willie parker was also undrafted....so whats your point?:coffee:

Rhee Rhee
01-16-2008, 01:37 PM
willie parker was also undrafted....so whats your point?:coffee:

willie had jerome to learn from

Dylan
01-16-2008, 01:41 PM
willie had jerome to learn from

that is true Jerome helped out Willie big time. I just got done reading Jeromes book so thats how i know. ha

lilyoder6
01-16-2008, 01:50 PM
young got some knowledge from henry... hopefull ythe good and not the bad..

Rhee Rhee
01-17-2008, 01:16 PM
that is true Jerome helped out Willie big time. I just got done reading Jeromes book so thats how i know. ha

brah me too... it was great... i never knew he was so close with lou holtz... and i never knew coach holtz was soo into rocket ismail...