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tony hipchest
01-11-2008, 12:35 PM
no big news here, but still a good read, especially with big ben looking ahead to his next contract. this also goes along the lines that you really cant judge a draft class until after the 3rd year (something kirwan vehemently adheres to).

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=BB88B8A731F44835912D9AFC271DF840? id=09000d5d805d0f97&template=with-video&confirm=true



After this past weekend of wild-card action, it's clear the QB Class of 2004 is officially a success.

If I told you four years ago that the money spent on the top three quarterbacks in the first round of the 2004 draft would guarantee that all would deliver a playoff win by their fourth season, most would agree it was money well spent.

Ben Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl in his second year, Eli Manning made the playoffs three years in a row and got his first postseason win Sunday, and Rivers wrapped it up his first playoff victory in two tries in the late game on Sunday.

Big Ben, Manning and Rivers are not finished products by any means, but the teams that drafted them are not afraid of the next contract; the future looks bright for the next 6-8 years for those three guys, barring injury, of course. They have already played in a combined 12 playoff games, and Rivers and Manning are guaranteed at least one more. Fourteen playoff games in four seasons is pretty darn good.

Take a look at their numbers over the first four years, including playoffs. They may not be the 1983 draft of Dan Marino, Jim Kelly and Kenny O'Brien, but they have a chance to do some great things, and none of them are a bust. Don't forget that Matt Schaub is also a member of the class of 2004.

The Class of 2004: Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning and Philip Rivers have a combined 7-5 record in the playoffs.

Three young QBs proving their worth
Ben Roethlisberger Eli Manning Philip Rivers
Att. 1,604 1,805 1,012
Comp. 1,026 987 611
TDs 96 77 45
INTs 65 64 47
Sacks 160 93 57
Playoff record 5-2 1-2 1-1

As the draft talks start up in earnest in the coming weeks, keep in mind the NFL is a quarterback-driven league. And if anyone in the draft looks at all like Roethlisberger, Manning or Rivers, a team has to take him and hope he delivers like these guys have so far: 218 touchdown passes in four years and a few postseason appearances before their rookie contract is up.

Lord Stiller
01-11-2008, 12:48 PM
Big Ben is the real deal

Eli is pretty good but inconsistent

Rivers sucks big time IMO

TackleMeBen
01-11-2008, 01:18 PM
dont forget that j.p losman was drafted in 04 too....lol

Atlanta Dan
01-11-2008, 01:24 PM
Big Ben is the real deal

Eli is pretty good but inconsistent

Rivers sucks big time IMO

As the saying goes, it is a marathon, not a sprint - Rivers was the flavorof the month as the best of the 2004 class as of November 2006.

At this stage of their pre-playoff 4th year careers, Elway had not yet engineered The Drive (while crashing in a 1984 home playoff loss to the Steelers) and Marino was at his peak with a SB and 2 AFC Championship appearances under his belt.

My point is the rankings of those QBs still requires a lot of future performances

vinny
01-11-2008, 01:36 PM
WoW! to be honest i had a good feeling when the STEELERS! drafted Big Ben....(he was only known as Ben Roethlisberger)....i knew Maddox's days were numbered unforturenitly he got hurt and next thing you know we win a SuperBowl with an 11th pick overall!!!!!!......WoW! GOD! is a STEELERS! FAN!!......as far as this Class it's just AMAZING! and J.P. losman alnog with shuab i wonder if at one point all these QB's started a game at the same time.....yes! these guys are good and it's early in thier cereers....

lilyoder6
01-11-2008, 01:47 PM
when pitt drafted ben i was like who the ---- is he???.. but i'm glad that they did draft him.. and i agree rivers is shitty.. he can't do anything right

Lord Stiller
01-11-2008, 02:03 PM
I cant stand Rivers, he is such a punk!

The_WARDen
01-11-2008, 02:49 PM
Not to be nitpicky, but how does he not mention Elway in the class of '83?

The_WARDen
01-11-2008, 02:50 PM
This line is misleading:

"The Class of 2004: Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning and Philip Rivers have a combined 7-5 record in the playoffs..."

Take away Ben and that class is 2-3 in the playoffs.

tony hipchest
01-11-2008, 02:52 PM
....so much for not being nit picky. :dang:

oh well. the point still stands, just the same.

PAMillerGrrl83
01-11-2008, 04:05 PM
I cant stand Rivers, he is such a punk!


And here I was the only one who thought that.

HometownGal
01-11-2008, 04:10 PM
I cant stand Rivers, he is such a punk!

And to think the Bolts let Brees go to hang onto their "star" QB. Blech. :dang:

TackleMeBen
01-11-2008, 04:46 PM
And here I was the only one who thought that.

no you arent. i lived in NC when rivers played for NC State and they thought he was the best (i was gagging). but i do love watching eli crash and burn..lol :thumbsup:

19ward86
01-11-2008, 08:13 PM
ben has been sacked way too many times! that is the biggest thing that i noticed.

lilyoder6
01-11-2008, 08:18 PM
one reason ben gets sacked alot is that he always wants to try and run around when the line blows there assignment... and he holds on to the ball to quick

steel striker
01-11-2008, 08:53 PM
I know Ben will get paid and, this is a big weekend for Eli Manning. I can't stand Rivers he sems like a little cry baby.

stillers4me
01-11-2008, 09:56 PM
It's gotta be eating away at Ben knowing that Rivers and Eli are playing this weekend and he's not.

On the other hand.......that it will eat a hole in his gut all off season that it happend this way will only make him more driven. Ben's like that. Nobody's harder on him than himself.

Rhee Rhee
01-12-2008, 02:42 AM
This line is misleading:

"The Class of 2004: Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning and Philip Rivers have a combined 7-5 record in the playoffs..."

Take away Ben and that class is 2-3 in the playoffs.

wow that is like the greatest stat about Ben i've ever seen... (probably the most important too)

Steelman16
01-12-2008, 02:49 AM
I can't stand Rivers...guy plays idiot instead of Quarterback like he should. No wonder LT has spats with him...Sheesh.

As I've told everyone all year long, give us an O-Line worth mentioning, and we'll do great and mighty things.

Galax Steeler
01-12-2008, 04:50 AM
The class of 04 turned out to be three good quarterbacks but in the end we came out with the best one.

msafford
01-12-2008, 07:28 AM
What grinds my gears is all the current hoopla surrounding Eli. He had ONE good playoff game. He couldn't hold Big Ben's jock. Rivers looks like the guy that just installed my toilet. Any marginal success he's is because of a halfway decent O-line, and of course LT. I lost what little respect I had for Phillip Rivers when I saw the clips of him taunting. I know, I know....everyone does it, but he just looked the part of the little punk that waited to say some shit until he had all his buddies right behind him. Eli....well I just feel sorry for him. He just looks like a weiner.

rpv
01-12-2008, 08:28 AM
The biggest difference between the three is Ben's escapability. Put the other two behind the steelers OL last yr and we would have been contending with the Ratbirds for the bottom of the division. This yr also proved that Ben is the only one in that class that could play with some consistency. Even when he has an off day as in the first half of the Jacksonville game he bounces back well. That is the quality of a great QB.

Happy that the draft that yr went our way. Thank Eli and his family for crying about playing in SD!!!!

PS: I hope he takes out a hefty life insurance this off season if the steelers do nothing to shore up that OL. Judging from Tomlins comments it does not look well for any reasonable free agency acquisition.