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lamberts-lost-tooth
01-15-2008, 03:25 AM
Steelers' Foote poised to defend job
By John Harris
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, January 15, 2008


Veteran inside linebacker Larry Foote predicts the Steelers defense will have a different look in 2008.
"Every year, there are going to be changes. You see changes coming this year," Foote said. "Some of the changes could even be with me. The way I see it, in the next month or so we'll know what direction the coaches are trying to go in."

Asked to elaborate, Foote, who finished third on the team with 89 tackles, said the Steelers drafted linebacker Lawrence Timmons with the intention of playing him. A seldom-used first-round draft pick, Timmons was moved from outside linebacker to "mack" linebacker behind Foote and recorded only two tackles in his first pro season.

"I don't even know if I'm going to be here," Foote said. "That's just the nature of the game. (Timmons) played behind me. I know the team is going to be anxious to play him. As soon as he starts showing some signs he's going to be a player in the league, it's just a matter of when they're going to throw him out there."

Foote, who has two years remaining on his contract, doesn't appear to be in danger of losing his job. He recently completed his fourth season as a starter and doesn't turn 28 until June.
Foote also is considerably younger than fellow starting inside linebacker James Farrior, who turned 33 the day after the Steelers' playoff loss to Jacksonville. Farrior, who has one year left on his contract, topped all Steelers defenders with 111 tackles in 2007.

Foote believes none of that will make a difference in 2008. He said the economics of football dictate that Timmons will receive more playing time next season.

"I'm just looking at the nature of the game," Foote said. "He's a first-rounder. I know he's going to have to be on the field. That's why they drafted him so high.

"The young boys every year want to come in and take your job, so the offseason is definitely important that you stay in shape and get ready to prove yourself. When minicamp starts, I've got to come in showing I'm ready to fly around and take more of a leadership role."

Foote said he still feels the sting of the playoff loss. He disagrees with the criticism of the Steelers' defensive performance against the Jaguars.
"We did some good things in that game," Foote said. "They threw for 140 yards, ran for another 135. We wanted to stop the run. To give our team the best chance to win, we had to stop their running backs. We did that for the most part. We gave up some big plays that we shouldn't give up. The one long pass (43-yard touchdown pass from David Garrard to Maurice Jones-Drew) and of course that long (32-yard) quarterback sneak at the end of the game. They ran the kickoff back (setting up a 1-yard touchdown run) and one interception (returned for a touchdown). We (defense) gave up the rest of the points."

The Steelers' top-rated defense actually did a better job against Jacksonville than New England's defense did. However, the Steelers defense couldn't overcome four turnovers and poor special teams play.

"Overall, our defense, we're solid," Foote said. "It wasn't really what teams were doing to us. It was what we were doing to ourselves. Mentally, we weren't executing, and that caused us to have some bad games."

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Stacking up
Here's a look at the 2007 performances of the inside linebackers the Steelers have under contract for 2008.

James Farrior: 111 tackles, six sacks, one interception

Larry Foote: 89 tackles, three sacks, one interception

Lawrence Timmons: Two tackles, one fumble recovery (plus 12 tackles and one fumble recovery on special teams)

Clint Kriewaldt: One tackle (plus six tackles on special teams)


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Steel Pit
01-15-2008, 03:47 AM
It sounds as if Larry Foote is suffering from a temporary case of paranoia :couch::screwy:. As far as I'm concerned, Foote and Ben Roethlisberger have about the same chance of losing their starting positions :shake01:.

Galax Steeler
01-15-2008, 04:03 AM
I'd say it depends on how much timmons shows in trainning camp if he come in playing hard then we might see alot less of foote.

Steeldude
01-15-2008, 07:42 AM
It sounds as if Larry Foote is suffering from a temporary case of paranoia :couch::screwy:. As far as I'm concerned, Foote and Ben Roethlisberger have about the same chance of losing their starting positions :shake01:.


i hope foote is replaced. i grow tired of watching get mowed down and pushed around. he always needs help tackling. he is weak at the point of attack and is often out of position.

HometownGal
01-15-2008, 08:25 AM
i hope foote is replaced. i grow tired of watching get mowed down and pushed around. he always needs help tackling. he is weak at the point of attack and is often out of position.

While it is almost a lock that Timmons will replace Foote at some point, I think Foote's stats alone show that he isn't done yet.

43 Solos
37 Assists
3 Sacks
3 FF's
1 INT
5 PD's.

revefsreleets
01-15-2008, 08:51 AM
While I'm not a huge Larry Foote fan, the guy does what he does. He isn't flashy, but he knows his role and gets the job done. Not every player on the defense is going to be a flashy pro bowler type, and every D needs solid role guys. The bottom line is that if he loses his job it means we have better talent behind him, which can only improve our defense.

Steeldude
01-15-2008, 09:19 AM
While it is almost a lock that Timmons will replace Foote at some point, I think Foote's stats alone show that he isn't done yet.

43 Solos
37 Assists
3 Sacks
3 FF's
1 INT
5 PD's.

43 solos in the mack position is nothing to be proud of. IMO, that is one of the reasons he should be riding the bench. the steelers need to upgrade their LB corps.

memphissteelergirl
01-15-2008, 09:45 AM
While I'm not a huge Larry Foote fan, the guy does what he does. He isn't flashy, but he knows his role and gets the job done. Not every player on the defense is going to be a flashy pro bowler type, and every D needs solid role guys. The bottom line is that if he loses his job it means we have better talent behind him, which can only improve our defense.


:iagree:

HometownGal
01-15-2008, 10:03 AM
43 solos in the mack position is nothing to be proud of. IMO, that is one of the reasons he should be riding the bench. the steelers need to upgrade their LB corps.

:dang::dang::dang:

I guess Farrior (if you take a look at his stats, which were along the same lines as Foote's) should be riding the pine, too. As rev so eloquently stated above with regard to Foote:

He isn't flashy, but he knows his role and gets the job done. Not every player on the defense is going to be a flashy pro bowler type, and every D needs solid role guys. The bottom line is that if he loses his job it means we have better talent behind him, which can only improve our defense.

:thumbsup::cheers:

Counselor
01-15-2008, 10:20 AM
This reminds me of the Ryan Clark vs. Anthony Smith debate from last off season. Just because a young guy is flashy and has a lot of upside doesn't mean they are better starters right now for the team than the less flashy vets like Foote, Clark Townsend.

Bet we all wished we'd had Ryan Clark for that Pats game right about now.

Foote will start next year, and Timmons will be the first guy off the bench in case of injuries---and perhaps LeBeau will do some creative things with him on third down or something . . . but I don't think he's going to be ready to start yet.

Steeldude
01-15-2008, 10:38 AM
:dang::dang::dang:

I guess Farrior (if you take a look at his stats, which were along the same lines as Foote's) should be riding the pine, too.

farrior hasn't been playing good football. that is why he is going to be replaced in 2009 when his contract expires. he is getting old and it is showing. i would rather bench foote than farrior. this is all depends on timmons' progession next season. who knows, timmons could turn out to be another richardson. i am hoping for a chad brown with better ankles :smile:

farrior has 66 solos. his lowest output since his first year with the steelers. foote's 43 solos is the worst performance of his career as a starter.

it's not just about tackles. it's where he tackles. he is often carried 2 or more yards before bringing the ball carrier down. he is also out of position and takes bad angles. this is not say he is a bum or doesn't make some good plays. i remember carlos emmons wasn't flashy, but he knew his role and got the job done. he wasn't flashy or a pro bowler type. yet the steelers wanted an upgrade and let him go. IMO, kreidwalt could put up the same stats as foote. any average LB could be plugged into the mack position and rack up 40+ solos a season and make occasional plays.

the steelers need good to great LBs to run the 3-4 blitz scheme to perfection. going through the motions doesn't work. the LBs this past season offered little in terms of pressure. that #1 defense rank means nothing. the LBs were nearly non-existent this year with the exception of harrison.

my assessment of foote is he is more of a liability than solid player.

tony hipchest
01-15-2008, 10:45 AM
43 solos in the mack position is nothing to be proud of. IMO, that is one of the reasons he should be riding the bench. the steelers need to upgrade their LB corps.footes not that bad just because he got mowed down by jamal lewis. its happenend to alot of defenders.

unfortunately many steelerfans feel we need an upgrade at LB, OL, WR, CB, RB. who is gonna pay for all these upgrades we need across the board? do we go the redskins route of upgrading whenever and wherever we see fit?

can we circumvent the cap to ensure we get the 22 best starters at their respective positions?

or should we just scrap our defensive and offensive systems (along with the coaches who implement them) and go to vanilla base packages that may not be as effective but allow a player like timmons to come in and put up patrick willis type numbers as a rookie?

personally, id rather a lb core that evenly splits 300 or so tackles as opposed to 1 guy making 150 and the other 3 each having 50.

with that being said, if timmons can beat out foote, im all for it. im also all for veteran back ups who know their role and can come in to give a breather, add versatility, or lend experience and leadership to a younger starter.

its a shame if people feel players like foote and haggans should be kicked to the curb (i know, thats a far cry from being benched as you clearly stated) when they can still contribute to a top notch defense.

Steeldude
01-15-2008, 10:57 AM
This reminds me of the Ryan Clark vs. Anthony Smith debate from last off season. Just because a young guy is flashy and has a lot of upside doesn't mean they are better starters right now for the team than the less flashy vets like Foote, Clark Townsend.

Bet we all wished we'd had Ryan Clark for that Pats game right about now.

Foote will start next year, and Timmons will be the first guy off the bench in case of injuries---and perhaps LeBeau will do some creative things with him on third down or something . . . but I don't think he's going to be ready to start yet.

i don't claim that timmons will be better or worse. i am saying foote is nothing special and offers nothing that any other average LB doesn't offer. :smile: i remember people getting on me when i said harrison would do better than porter. porter turned into an average LB who just went through the motions.

you are right, foote will most likely start next year. i personally wanted harrison to play ILB and timmons/foote to move outside. the reasoning behind it was that harrison wouldn't get pushed around.

i prefer townsend and clark because they are the best on the team at their positions. well, taylor might be a little better because of his young legs.

one thing is for certain. the steelers need to find a place for their 2007 #1 draft pick. i still wonder how he is going to turn out. the one thing about timmons that bothered me was when he showed up to his pro day out of shape.

Steeldude
01-15-2008, 11:01 AM
just for the record. i don't think foote is a pile of :poop: i just think the steelers need better LBs for their system to work more efficiently. after all, it is a system geared for the LBs

:smile:

lilyoder6
01-15-2008, 12:52 PM
well u can't put all the blame on the lb's.. sometimes u have to put some blame of the d-linemen.. b/c maybe they aren't taking up the blocks as much as b4.. the lb's are as only as good as there d-line is making them holes to run thru...

Rhee Rhee
01-15-2008, 01:09 PM
This reminds me of the Ryan Clark vs. Anthony Smith debate from last off season. Just because a young guy is flashy and has a lot of upside doesn't mean they are better starters right now for the team than the less flashy vets like Foote, Clark Townsend.

umm the biggest difference between these two scenarios is Lawrence is getting big bucks to ride thebench....smith is getting third round money... quite a bit of diffference...

i hope with farrior being the age that he is and his contract status im hoping they start grooming timmons at farrior's spot instead of foote... there is a 4-5 year age difference between the two... why keep a guy thats 5 years older? younger age = more upside... keep foote he did pretty well against jaxonsivlle....

paw-n-maul-u
01-15-2008, 02:08 PM
Farrior is still solid. I feel the problem w/ our LB's is Foote as well. I don't care what anyone says. 43 solo tackles in the Mack position is weak sauce any way you look at it.

I'm almost 100% confident that while timmons may lack the experience needed to fully comprehend the system we run, I feel his athleticism and upside will far outweigh the bumps along the way that we may undoubtedly cringe at.

On the other hand ... I do understand that Lamarr woodley was basically a four year starter at Michigan, on some ridiculoussssss defenses. And Timmons can barely drink, only one year of experience starting ... definitely more of a project that has a lot to learn.

But you can't ignore what he brings to the table as far as talent wise. He's a freak. I'm glad Mikey T snagged him when he did instead of let some team like the patriots take him a few picks behind (which i'm pretty sure they would have considered ... went over to a Pats board during the draft and remember reading that Billyboy was sweating timmons nuts)

I have no doubt that once Timmons learns the system, timmons will outplay farrior and foote.

Elvis
01-15-2008, 02:49 PM
:tt02: I think that the time is coming Very Soon to replace Farrior. I just hate the fact that Foote has 2 years left on his contract and Farrior has only 1. If it were the opposite I would say that the Steelers could release Foote or ask him to take a pay cut. I just think that Foote is too the end, he has passed the point of no more improving. We didnt draft Timmons to sit on the bench and Farrior is getting old.. he is now 33. With 1 year left on his contract I think that this will be his last year in the Burgh myself. Then what?... do you move Foote to his spot and insert Timmons in Foote's old spot? This is where I think that a 1st round pick on someone like Jeremy Lehman at MLB would be a nice fit.
OLB Lamar Woodley
MLB Lawrence Timmons
MacLB Jeremy Lehman (R) or Foote if needed
OLB James Harrison

Lord Stiller
01-15-2008, 03:23 PM
Not that it matters but I think it would be better if Harrison was on the inside and Timmons on the outside

revefsreleets
01-15-2008, 05:39 PM
Harrison COULD play ILB. But, IMO, he's a bit short to see over the line, bat down passes, etc, etc. And he did make the Pro Bowl in year one as a starter at OLB. I'd rather have a LB with prototypical size at ILB

Stlrs4Life
01-15-2008, 08:27 PM
I start Foote, I am still not sold on Timmons. We shall see.

Atlanta Dan
01-15-2008, 08:35 PM
Foote nails it - Timmons is not only a #1 pick but, if the reports from around draft day last year are accurate, a #1 pick that Tomlin pushed to be selected.

Having the HC in your corner and presumably wanting to be proven right, along with a front office that does not want to be answering questions about laying out that kind of $$ for a ST player, means it is Timmons job to lose.

It's a business and a cardinal rule of business is that management hates to admit it is not getting an adequate return on an investment and therefore may have screwed up..

Lord Stiller
01-15-2008, 08:38 PM
Harrison COULD play ILB. But, IMO, he's a bit short to see over the line, bat down passes, etc, etc. And he did make the Pro Bowl in year one as a starter at OLB. I'd rather have a LB with prototypical size at ILB

typically, OLB's are taller than ILB's

revefsreleets
01-15-2008, 08:59 PM
typically, OLB's are taller than ILB's

In the 4-3, yeah. And a large part of that is "Longer and leaner and faster"

lilyoder6
01-15-2008, 09:28 PM
draft day i was upset when they drafted timmons instead of paul p.. i mean timmons was only a 1 yr starter.. i guess time will tell,.. and he better work his ass off.

Rhee Rhee
01-15-2008, 10:04 PM
draft day i was upset when they drafted timmons instead of paul p.. i mean timmons was only a 1 yr starter.. i guess time will tell,.. and he better work his ass off.

paul was great at pennstate and had a decent rookkie year with the bills besides the injuries... but he is quickly becoming forgotten with the mergence of sean lee and dan connor... i would have much rather seen revis as a steeler but i've quickly gotten over it...

verks36
01-15-2008, 10:18 PM
:dang::dang::dang:

I guess Farrior (if you take a look at his stats, which were along the same lines as Foote's) should be riding the pine, too. As rev so eloquently stated above with regard to Foote:



:thumbsup::cheers:

ya i agree with HTG

Foote come through the ranks prayed behind Kendrell Bell and became the starter. I say keep him in. He gets he job done. Him might be getting blown off the line because our d linemen blow and the linemen go straight to foote.

(but LOLZ) do u remeber that play off game when Foote couldnt tackle mcnair(when he was on the titians) he had some many chances for sacks and he just bounced of mcnair like a bouncee ball.

Lord Stiller
01-16-2008, 07:06 AM
In the 4-3, yeah. And a large part of that is "Longer and leaner and faster"

Wrong again, taller OLB's are more prevelant in the 3-4

Time for a lesson: Merriman is 6'4", Shaun Philips is 6'3", Adalius Thomas is 6'3",
Vrabel is 6'4", Wimbley 6'3", McGinest is 6'5", Ware is 6'4", Porter is 6'3", Haggans is 6'4".

Argument is over, I am right and you are wrong

jjpro11
01-16-2008, 08:08 AM
Wrong again, taller OLB's are more prevelant in the 3-4

Time for a lesson: Merriman is 6'4", Shaun Philips is 6'3", Adalius Thomas is 6'3",
Vrabel is 6'4", Wimbley 6'3", McGinest is 6'5", Ware is 6'4", Porter is 6'3", Haggans is 6'4".

Argument is over, I am right and you are wrong

wow... we have a smurf wide receiver core.. and now we are going to have smurf linebacker core. harrison is no bigger than 6'0.. woodley is barely over 6'0. and timmons is even smaller than foote. farrior will be our biggest linebacker. lol.

lilyoder6
01-16-2008, 09:56 AM
we'll just be a team of the midgets who woop on som teams.. well ppl till remmeber paul p at psu... and he did have a good yr until he broke his arm... i'm saying atm he was a better prospect than timmons right now.. he could of fought for a starting role in the middle..

Lord Stiller
01-16-2008, 10:00 AM
we'll just be a team of the midgets who woop on som teams.. well ppl till remmeber paul p at psu... and he did have a good yr until he broke his arm... i'm saying atm he was a better prospect than timmons right now.. he could of fought for a starting role in the middle..

No doubt. Pozluszny would have been a big upgrade over Foote from Day 1

Steeldude
01-16-2008, 10:49 AM
wow... we have a smurf wide receiver core.. and now we are going to have smurf linebacker core. harrison is no bigger than 6'0.. woodley is barely over 6'0. and timmons is even smaller than foote. farrior will be our biggest linebacker. lol.


woodley and farrior are both 6' 2"

timmons and foote are both 6' 1"

i agree, that is kind of on the short side. oh well :smile:

OneForTheToe
01-16-2008, 12:41 PM
woodley and farrior are both 6' 2"

timmons and foote are both 6' 1"

i agree, that is kind of on the short side. oh well :smile:

Were they plannng on forming a basketball team? :scratchchin:

lilyoder6
01-16-2008, 01:58 PM
big suprises come from small packages...

Steeldude
01-21-2008, 02:54 AM
Were they plannng on forming a basketball team? :scratchchin:


why do you ask?

Lord Stiller
01-21-2008, 08:06 AM
big suprises come from small packages...

LOL. thats all you have to say after I tore your theories apart?

OneForTheToe
01-21-2008, 10:47 AM
why do you ask?

'cause otherwise, I care more if they can carry out their assignments and hit somebody than I do how tall they are.

Steeldude
01-21-2008, 12:56 PM
'cause otherwise, I care more if they can carry out their assignments and hit somebody than I do how tall they are.

same here. all i said was they were kind of on the short-side and oh well. i was just replying to the previous poster.

Rhee Rhee
01-21-2008, 01:24 PM
No doubt. Pozluszny would have been a big upgrade over Foote from Day 1

well we brought in timmons originally as the replacement for porter... not knowing how well harrison would have done... so draftin puz would have been a bad pick considering at the time we knew what he had in foote and farrior (two solid starters)

Lord Stiller
01-21-2008, 02:25 PM
well we brought in timmons originally as the replacement for porter... not knowing how well harrison would have done... so draftin puz would have been a bad pick considering at the time we knew what he had in foote and farrior (two solid starters)

Ya i wasnt arguing the pick just stating that Poz would have been an instant upgrade over Foote

Its kinda bad luck we were so high in last years draft and there were no sure thing locks to pick from so we had to reach with Timmons potential

if we were that high in this coming draft we would get a much better player IMO

oh well

lilyoder6
01-21-2008, 09:06 PM
i was hoping we would had gotten revis.. but oh well,, i just hope we have a good draft like we did in the past.. with a pick at 25ish i think we will get a good player..

MDSteel15
01-21-2008, 09:31 PM
:tt02: I think that the time is coming Very Soon to replace Farrior. I just hate the fact that Foote has 2 years left on his contract and Farrior has only 1. If it were the opposite I would say that the Steelers could release Foote or ask him to take a pay cut. I just think that Foote is too the end, he has passed the point of no more improving. We didnt draft Timmons to sit on the bench and Farrior is getting old.. he is now 33. With 1 year left on his contract I think that this will be his last year in the Burgh myself. Then what?... do you move Foote to his spot and insert Timmons in Foote's old spot? This is where I think that a 1st round pick on someone like Jeremy Lehman at MLB would be a nice fit.
OLB Lamar Woodley
MLB Lawrence Timmons
MacLB Jeremy Lehman (R) or Foote if needed
OLB James Harrison

Why not Crable from Michigan? He's rising on the boards fast!! :chicken: :tt02: :banana:

MDSteel15
01-21-2008, 09:34 PM
draft day i was upset when they drafted timmons instead of paul p.. i mean timmons was only a 1 yr starter.. i guess time will tell,.. and he better work his ass off.

Bingo! Timmons is an UNproven commodity and I, along with you, am not sold on him yet....

MDSteel15
01-21-2008, 09:40 PM
wow... we have a smurf wide receiver core.. and now we are going to have smurf linebacker core. harrison is no bigger than 6'0.. woodley is barely over 6'0. and timmons is even smaller than foote. farrior will be our biggest linebacker. lol.

Woodley is 6'2" and Timmons is 6'3". So not a bid difference there. Silverback is a midget compared to the rest of our LBing corps.

paw-n-maul-u
01-22-2008, 02:22 AM
Woodley is 6'2" and Timmons is 6'3". So not a bid difference there. Silverback is a midget compared to the rest of our LBing corps.

Who care's how big they are. I'm not really worried about that so much as I am them being able to tackle and play in space.
Harrison can tackle.
Woodley sure can too.
Farrior still apparently can at a decent enough level.
But Foote sucks. Timmons will be an immediate upgrade. IMMEDIATE. He'll tackle better, will cover better, is a HELLUVA lot faster, just all around better.

43 tackles in the mack position. what a joke. Someone needs to give Foote the boot ... right out the door!!! Let new england pick him up and make him an All-pro. I hear they are looking for a younger MLB.

Timmons is 6'1 by the way.